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Roberto Gaggioli is a piece of crap
"Rik Van Diesel" wrote in message
om... Just cause you can't google me up doesn't make my opinion less correct. On the contrary, you apparently don't think twice about lying in writing. You seem to have good reasons to hide your identification. |
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Roberto Gaggioli is a piece of crap
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"Chris" wrote: "Carl Sundquist" wrote in message ... Until Adam posted, I did not know or recall what role the police played. However, I was considering that USAC suspended Mercer for a year, so I didn't know whether USAC factored in legal charges/findings or suspended Mercer on their own accord. I still don't know whether legal charges factored in USAC's decision, but very seldom in major sports are legal charges filed when a player is fined/suspended. Did Bill Romanowski have charges filed against him when he beat up his teammate in the locker room last year? I dunno, but in hockey the police have been getting involved in some of the really outrageous attacks. Considering that assault and battery is within the rules (ok, you go to the penalty box) I would say that counts for something. It seems to me that in most cases where I thought the local prosecution should get involved, they have. IOW I do not see any scary trends where athletes are not able to get justice. The essential difference is that of consent. The general theory is that when you participate in a sporting activity, you consent to the norms of that sport. So if you race a bike, you implicitly consent to incidental contact in the pack, and if you play hockey, you consent to normal levels of bodychecking and fisticuffs. -- Ryan Cousineau, http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcola/ President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club |
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"Chris" wrote: "Carl Sundquist" wrote in message ... Until Adam posted, I did not know or recall what role the police played. However, I was considering that USAC suspended Mercer for a year, so I didn't know whether USAC factored in legal charges/findings or suspended Mercer on their own accord. I still don't know whether legal charges factored in USAC's decision, but very seldom in major sports are legal charges filed when a player is fined/suspended. Did Bill Romanowski have charges filed against him when he beat up his teammate in the locker room last year? I dunno, but in hockey the police have been getting involved in some of the really outrageous attacks. Considering that assault and battery is within the rules (ok, you go to the penalty box) I would say that counts for something. It seems to me that in most cases where I thought the local prosecution should get involved, they have. IOW I do not see any scary trends where athletes are not able to get justice. The essential difference is that of consent. The general theory is that when you participate in a sporting activity, you consent to the norms of that sport. So if you race a bike, you implicitly consent to incidental contact in the pack, and if you play hockey, you consent to normal levels of bodychecking and fisticuffs. -- Ryan Cousineau, http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcola/ President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club |
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"Ryan Cousineau" wrote in message ... In article , "Chris" wrote: "Carl Sundquist" wrote in message ... Until Adam posted, I did not know or recall what role the police played. However, I was considering that USAC suspended Mercer for a year, so I didn't know whether USAC factored in legal charges/findings or suspended Mercer on their own accord. I still don't know whether legal charges factored in USAC's decision, but very seldom in major sports are legal charges filed when a player is fined/suspended. Did Bill Romanowski have charges filed against him when he beat up his teammate in the locker room last year? I dunno, but in hockey the police have been getting involved in some of the really outrageous attacks. Considering that assault and battery is within the rules (ok, you go to the penalty box) I would say that counts for something. It seems to me that in most cases where I thought the local prosecution should get involved, they have. IOW I do not see any scary trends where athletes are not able to get justice. The essential difference is that of consent. The general theory is that when you participate in a sporting activity, you consent to the norms of that sport. So if you race a bike, you implicitly consent to incidental contact in the pack, and if you play hockey, you consent to normal levels of bodychecking and fisticuffs. But that is in the midst of the competitive event. However, AFAIK, even for the most egregious attack in recent history in the NHL, Todd Bertuzzi was not charged with violating any laws when he punched Steve Moore in the back of the head, drove him face first into the ice, and broke his neck. I cited Romanowski's actions specifically because they were in a non competition situation, like Myerson/Mercer and Sundt/Gaggioli. |
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"Ryan Cousineau" wrote in message ... In article , "Chris" wrote: "Carl Sundquist" wrote in message ... Until Adam posted, I did not know or recall what role the police played. However, I was considering that USAC suspended Mercer for a year, so I didn't know whether USAC factored in legal charges/findings or suspended Mercer on their own accord. I still don't know whether legal charges factored in USAC's decision, but very seldom in major sports are legal charges filed when a player is fined/suspended. Did Bill Romanowski have charges filed against him when he beat up his teammate in the locker room last year? I dunno, but in hockey the police have been getting involved in some of the really outrageous attacks. Considering that assault and battery is within the rules (ok, you go to the penalty box) I would say that counts for something. It seems to me that in most cases where I thought the local prosecution should get involved, they have. IOW I do not see any scary trends where athletes are not able to get justice. The essential difference is that of consent. The general theory is that when you participate in a sporting activity, you consent to the norms of that sport. So if you race a bike, you implicitly consent to incidental contact in the pack, and if you play hockey, you consent to normal levels of bodychecking and fisticuffs. But that is in the midst of the competitive event. However, AFAIK, even for the most egregious attack in recent history in the NHL, Todd Bertuzzi was not charged with violating any laws when he punched Steve Moore in the back of the head, drove him face first into the ice, and broke his neck. I cited Romanowski's actions specifically because they were in a non competition situation, like Myerson/Mercer and Sundt/Gaggioli. |
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Chris wrote:
"BJC" wrote in message if only the fed could test him for testosterone and HGH... I am sure he has some of both, don't you? Definitely. Chemicals and serious anti-social tendencies is to blame Who was it....Konychev that was arrested for beating a prositute up What do both of these cyclists have in common? Many of these riders wh have been doing it for years and years have absolutely no clue abou simple social skills - |
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Chris wrote:
"BJC" wrote in message if only the fed could test him for testosterone and HGH... I am sure he has some of both, don't you? Definitely. Chemicals and serious anti-social tendencies is to blame Who was it....Konychev that was arrested for beating a prositute up What do both of these cyclists have in common? Many of these riders wh have been doing it for years and years have absolutely no clue abou simple social skills - |
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Roberto Gaggioli is a piece of crap
"Tom Kunich" wrote in message hlink.net...
"Rik Van Diesel" wrote in message om... Just cause you can't google me up doesn't make my opinion less correct. On the contrary, you apparently don't think twice about lying in writing. You seem to have good reasons to hide your identification. Liar Liar pants on fire. What are you in the third grade? What have I lied about? Certainly not this thread on Roberto, and yes I have said the same **** to his face. The funny part I had to see him last year in a non-cycling social function to which we were both invited, he was wearing his funny clown boots and me looking super star. Off the bike it was hard to believe I could have ever felt anything but pity for him. Much like I do for you. RVD |
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"Tom Kunich" wrote in message hlink.net...
"Rik Van Diesel" wrote in message om... Just cause you can't google me up doesn't make my opinion less correct. On the contrary, you apparently don't think twice about lying in writing. You seem to have good reasons to hide your identification. Liar Liar pants on fire. What are you in the third grade? What have I lied about? Certainly not this thread on Roberto, and yes I have said the same **** to his face. The funny part I had to see him last year in a non-cycling social function to which we were both invited, he was wearing his funny clown boots and me looking super star. Off the bike it was hard to believe I could have ever felt anything but pity for him. Much like I do for you. RVD |
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"Carl Sundquist" wrote: "Ryan Cousineau" wrote in message ... In article , "Chris" wrote: "Carl Sundquist" wrote in message ... Until Adam posted, I did not know or recall what role the police played. However, I was considering that USAC suspended Mercer for a year, so I didn't know whether USAC factored in legal charges/findings or suspended Mercer on their own accord. I still don't know whether legal charges factored in USAC's decision, but very seldom in major sports are legal charges filed when a player is fined/suspended. Did Bill Romanowski have charges filed against him when he beat up his teammate in the locker room last year? I dunno, but in hockey the police have been getting involved in some of the really outrageous attacks. Considering that assault and battery is within the rules The essential difference is that of consent. The general theory is that when you participate in a sporting activity, you consent to the norms of that sport. So if you race a bike, you implicitly consent to incidental contact in the pack, and if you play hockey, you consent to normal levels of bodychecking and fisticuffs. But that is in the midst of the competitive event. However, AFAIK, even for the most egregious attack in recent history in the NHL, Todd Bertuzzi was not charged with violating any laws when he punched Steve Moore in the back of the head, drove him face first into the ice, and broke his neck. I'm a Canuck fan, so I have some pretty particular feelings about The Incident, but last I heard police were still investigating. As for the details...that's for another newsgroup. I cited Romanowski's actions specifically because they were in a non competition situation, like Myerson/Mercer and Sundt/Gaggioli. Good point. And clearly, there's never a call for disputes to be settled after an event with violence, and doubly not with lumber. Cycling depends on a certain gentlemanliness in the attitude of competitors. It's so easy to harm other riders quite badly (not for nothing does the cycling verb "to flick" exist) that everyone must have a basic commitment to decorum. It doesn't take too many idiots to completely destroy a racing scene. -- Ryan Cousineau, http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcola/ President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club |
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