Using racing bike for touring

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G? Daniels writes:

Horsing a sensitive geometry down the road over varying
surfaces can
get realllly tiring. make yawl wish for 1" 3/8"s tires and
44"
chainstays. Can you see geometry? The frame stratches out
front to
rear for easy going, more upright for handling?

"Upright handling"? What do you think TdF racers are giving up
with
their bicycles, riding up to 150 miles per day, that would be
more
comfortable with a touring frame? The only difference I detect
is
fittings for attaching baggage racks and mudguards. As I said,
I've
been riding a "racing" bicycle for many years over all sorts of
roads
for thousands of miles, and the absence of touring lugs have
not made
riding uncomfortable.

The made to fit for height and leg length top tube and crank
arms in
a tourng model give terrific straight ahead power opposed to
the
"handling" of the close set frame and the wrong size.

I don't believe you know what you mean by handling. Tandems
corner
better than most singles under the right riders until hairpin
turns
get a tighter radius than three times the wheelbase. Your text
is
made of the myth and lore that gets handed around among people
who
have never tested any of the theories proposed. It just sounds
good
to those who don't do it.

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Jobst, where is the place shown in the picture, and is it still
unpaved? -- Jay Beattie.

Jay Beattie writes:

I don't believe you know what you mean by handling. Tandems corner
better than most singles under the right riders until hairpin turns
get a tighter radius than three times the wheelbase. Your text is
made of the myth and lore that gets handed around among people who
have never tested any of the theories proposed. It just sounds
good to those who don't do it.

http://tinyurl.com/xaco

Where is the place shown in the picture, and is it still unpaved?

That is the south side of the Tenda Pass on RTE SS20 on the
Italian-French border. The road is unchanged. It will stay that way
because there is a tunnel down below that was built in the 19th
century when this route was an important north/south arterial.

Jobst Brandt

http://tinyurl.com/xaco

Where is the place shown in the picture, and is it still unpaved?

That is the south side of the Tenda Pass on RTE SS20 on the
Italian-French border. The road is unchanged. It will stay that way

my map shows some hairpins on D93/SP73 while SS20 is curvey. it
doesn't indicate if paved or not.
true, false?
it also shows 'Olivetta' and 'San Michele', towns or ???

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Carl Fogel writes:

Tandems corner better than most singles under the right riders
until hairpin turns get a tighter radius than three times the
wheelbase.

I think that I understand why a long wheelbase tandem will suffer in
extremely tight turns, but why do they corner better than ordinary
bikes elsewhere?

Steering movements make smaller changes in direction than with a short
wheelbase. Taken close to the limit, I think it apparent that a
theoretical wheelbase of a few inches would steer erratically.
Besides, the long wheelbase makes the road smoother and braking
results in less weight transfer.

Does the effect, whatever it is, scale up? That is, should the good
guys in stretch limousines be able to outcorner the assassins
pursuing them in ordinary wheelbase cars?

Boffo as usual.

Jobst Brandt


Dear Jobst,

Well, yes, once people like you point it out, it's
apparent that a teeny-tiny wheelbase would steer
erratically.

But you have to be bright enough to point such things
out, which is why people like me ask dumb--er, pursue
basic inquiries.

And I knew that! Damn! [Head-slap.] I've seen little
radio-controlled model cars skittering down the bicycle
path, getting in my way as they twitch wildly.

I'm just not very good at connecting the obvious
technical dots and easily puzzled. I'm pretty sure
that bicycle wheels stand on their tires, but some
days they seem to hang from their valve stems.

Carl Fogel

"Jay Beattie" writes:

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http://tinyurl.com/xaco

Jobst, where is the place shown in the picture, and is it still
unpaved?

Looks like the Col de Tende, on the French-Italian border northeast
of Nice.

(B.C. Cletta) writes:

http://tinyurl.com/xaco

Where is the place shown in the picture, and is it still unpaved?

That is the south side of the Tenda Pass on RTE SS20 on the
Italian-French border. The road is unchanged. It will stay that
way

my map shows some hairpins on D93/SP73 while SS20 is curvey. it
doesn't indicate if paved or not. true, false? it also shows
'Olivetta' and 'San Michele', towns or ???

Now that I look at it, my Michelin 1:125 000 map (No. 06) doesn't even
show the road over the pass, only the N204 from France and the SS20
in Italy- no indication that there's any alternative to the main
road. Seems like an oversight to me!

There's more information and photos at:

http://www.cycling.uk.net/alps/south/tende.htm

Tim McNamara wrote in message ...
(B.C. Cletta) writes:

http://tinyurl.com/xaco

Where is the place shown in the picture, and is it still unpaved?

That is the south side of the Tenda Pass on RTE SS20 on the
Italian-French border. The road is unchanged. It will stay that
way

my map shows some hairpins on D93/SP73 while SS20 is curvey. it
doesn't indicate if paved or not. true, false? it also shows
'Olivetta' and 'San Michele', towns or ???

Now that I look at it, my Michelin 1:125 000 map (No. 06) doesn't even
show the road over the pass, only the N204 from France and the SS20
in Italy- no indication that there's any alternative to the main
road. Seems like an oversight to me!

There's more information and photos at:

http://www.cycling.uk.net/alps/south/tende.htm

i think it's the old road thru Airole & Collabassa that's now replaced
by the tunnel. my map does not show it as thru to both sides