"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012

On 02/08/2012 01:24, Phil W Lee wrote:
"Zapp Brannigan" considered Wed, 1 Aug 2012 22:23:15
+0100 the perfect time to write:


"Phil W Lee" wrote in message
...
"Zapp Brannigan" considered Tue, 31 Jul 2012

Another cyclist who's bent upon associating himself with a mean-spirited
attempt to sabotage the Olympic opening and cause a security crisis. You
lot are like lemmings, on or off the road.

What was this "attempt to sabotage the Olympic opening"?
There is no evidence at all that the cyclists intended to do anything
more than cycle past on the public highway,

Which would only matter if "evidence of their intentions" was mentioned in
the Public Order Act. In any event, I think the Police have ample evidence
of tweets and facebook messages excitedly discussing the chaos they hoped to
wreak. Probably more than one infiltrated undercover cop on a bicycle too.

The truth will all come out, be patient.

It has.
We've seen it.
Thugs in uniforms making up laws such as "you can't cycle north of the
Thames" and then violently enforcing them.

Quite frankly, the filth that made that one up isn't worth a gobful of
spit to extinguish him if he was on fire (we can only hope, but I fear
that punishment will have to wait until another life).

If the police want people to respect them, they should not act in such
a contemptible fashion.

.... and they should learn that cyclists - by definition - can do no wrong and
MUST be allowed to do as they like *and* get away with it.

After all, what DO other people matter in comparison to cyclists, eh?






[PS: My spellchecker keeps suggesting an emendment of "Phil" to "MPhil". But
I *don't* think so.]

On 02/08/2012 01:36, Phil W Lee wrote:
®i©ardo considered Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:26:02 +0100
the perfect time to write:

On 01/08/2012 02:07, Phil W Lee wrote:
"Tired" considered Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:30:05 +0100 the
perfect time to write:

Phil W Lee wrote:
:: "James Allen" considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012
:: 20:21:47 +0100 the perfect time to write:
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:::
:::
::: "Tired" wrote in message ...
:::
:::
:::: she should get some recognition there standing up to an angry mob
:::: like that, without the protection of a stab vest or truncheon)
:::
::: Looks to me like she's holding an ASP at one point?
:::
::: This video makes me feel quite confused actually, on the one hand I
::: often find myself looking at videos of the police in situations
::: like this and thinking they "are" just violent thugs who get off on
::: the power they have, but OTOH I can't help thinking that these
::: cyclists, especially the so-called disabled guy and the **** in the
::: green t-shirt who joined him on the bonnet deserved a good beating.
:::
:: Who will be left to complain when they come for you?

They didnt come for anyone, dont be so stupid.

You clearly don't bother to read anything about the subject of the
post you are responding to.

The police deliberately set up a confrontation, and their own actions
and statements prove it.


So when did they organise your little bike ride then and why did you
find it necessary to take part?

It wasn't "my little bike ride" and I wasn't on it.
It is, however, a customarily held procession that the police set out
deliberately to disrupt.
The "justification" given was that because the police decided to
impose rules on it that they have no power to impose (no cycling north
of the Thames), that somehow gave them the right to attack it.

In short, they conspired to cause a breach of the peace.

They have been trying this for years, and have already had to be
reigned in by the House of Lords over it. The paranoia over a sports
meeting allowed them to think they had an opportunity to impose their
will over that of the law.

I sincerely hope that the IPCC will be breaking heads over it, but I
ain't holding my breath.

"Ain't"?

"AIN'T"?

What way is that for a scion of the Higher Courts to talk?

On 02/08/2012 07:22, Doug wrote:

On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 7:13:40 PM UTC+1, Judith wrote:
Bertie Wooster wrote:

snip

Critical Mass is a customary procession, and as such need not file any
paperwork.

So other than there being no need for paper work what exactly does it being a
customary procession permit them to do?

In the absence of any organisers London CM is not required to give advance notice of the ride to the police nor have a pre-planned route and it does not have to comply with Section 11 of the Public Order Act.

Do its participants have to comply with Section 12 of the Act?

Or with any other law at all?

Or are they exempt from any normal citizen's duty to obey the law?

Phil W Lee wrote:

If the police want people to respect them, they should not act in such
a contemptible fashion.

Should CM?

On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:16:31 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

On 01/08/2012 20:58, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:32:52 +0100, Martin wrote:

On 01/08/2012 19:01, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:31:45 +0100, Martin wrote:

On 01/08/2012 18:09, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:44:22 +0100, JNugent

I'm sure they scan the South London Press every day for examples of such
"brutality".

Can you spell "hyperbole"?

If we are going to tell other world leaders about how they behave
towards peaceful protest

So it was a protest then. Had the correct paperwork been filled in and
were the protesters complying with the law?

Yes.

Critical Mass is a customary procession, and as such need not file any
paperwork.

In your last post you said it was a "protest" now you are saying
"procession". It seems you're back-tracking on what you said now.

And what do *you* think? Can people on a procession protest?

*Peacefully" (which entails not interfering with the rights of others), yes.

Is there anything to suggest that the procession was going to be
anything other than peaceful?

On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 21:57:10 +0100, Pedt "\"@
wrote:

In message , at 21:30:11 on Wed, 1 Aug 2012,
Ophelia sniffed the air and proclaimed


"Pedt" "\"@ wrote in message
...
In message , at 19:01:36
on Wed, 1 Aug 2012, Bertie Wooster sniffed
the air and proclaimed
On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:31:45 +0100, Martin wrote:

On 01/08/2012 18:09, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:44:22 +0100, JNugent

I'm sure they scan the South London Press every day for examples
of such
"brutality".

Can you spell "hyperbole"?

If we are going to tell other world leaders about how they behave
towards peaceful protest

So it was a protest then. Had the correct paperwork been filled in and
were the protesters complying with the law?

Yes.

Critical Mass is a customary procession, and as such need not file any
paperwork.

I thought when CM asked for a review on s11 they were saying that the
monthly ride was for enjoyment. I bet the judge wasn't told it was for
enjoyment of protesting.

Nice of you to come out with the truth that CM is actually a protest
group on bicycles and bugger all to do with the joys of cycling.

I don't understand. Is cycling not for pleasure?

Supposed to be but Tom (aka Bertie Wooster) seems to think that CM is a
protest group on wheels that can do what they like and is personally
amused when he can hold up other traffic.

It wasn't me. I was at home.

Or are you referring to my bike ride on 25 July along the A13? If you
are, it was the zil lanes holding up traffic that amused me.

Why is it always confrontational?

Because CM think that the law doesn't apply to them. They've taken the
an exemption from s11 (announce the route in advance) to applying to the
whole of the Public Order Act.

On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 22:04:08 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:00:33 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:10:59 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:09:01 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:44:22 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

On 01/08/2012 10:38, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:15:48 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

GB wrote:
I'm with them, the Olympics are a monstrous waste of money and
resources.

Given that the money has been spent, it's too late to prevent that.
All that disrupting the games at this stage does is reduce the value
for money still further.

and lower our prestige internationally, this incident has hit the headlines
world wide, and not in a good way.

The Chinese, South Koreans and Indonesians have done more to damage
(enhance) their country's reputations for unsportsmanlike behaviour
with their antics on the badminton court.

But I do agree with the essence of your remark.

Had the police allowed Critical Mass to go to the Olympic Park, make
their protest peacefully at not being allowed in the zil lanes, the
nation's reputation for tolerating dissenting views would have been
enhanced.

What form would the "peaceful" protest have taken?

It has been suggested that it would be a bike ride along one of the
Olympic routes, staying out of the zil lanes, similar to the ride I
escorted some Chinese guests along last Wednesday.



In which forum was that suggested. All the pages I have looked at were
anticipating trouble - and from some people with glee.
Or did *you* suggest it - after the event?

It was something you posted. I can't recall the website you lifted it
from.



I have not posted that at all.

Yes you did.

So come on - where did it actually say that?

It is looking like you made it up.

"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
...

Or are you referring to my bike ride on 25 July along the A13? If you
are, it was the zil lanes holding up traffic that amused me.

Why were you amused at traffic being held up?

On 02/08/2012 09:06, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:16:31 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

On 01/08/2012 20:58, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:32:52 +0100, Martin wrote:

On 01/08/2012 19:01, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:31:45 +0100, Martin wrote:

On 01/08/2012 18:09, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:44:22 +0100, JNugent

I'm sure they scan the South London Press every day for examples of such
"brutality".

Can you spell "hyperbole"?

If we are going to tell other world leaders about how they behave
towards peaceful protest

So it was a protest then. Had the correct paperwork been filled in and
were the protesters complying with the law?

Yes.

Critical Mass is a customary procession, and as such need not file any
paperwork.

In your last post you said it was a "protest" now you are saying
"procession". It seems you're back-tracking on what you said now.

And what do *you* think? Can people on a procession protest?

*Peacefully" (which entails not interfering with the rights of others), yes.

Is there anything to suggest that the procession was going to be
anything other than peaceful?

History?

On 02/08/2012 01:24, Phil W Lee wrote:

The truth will all come out, be patient.

It has.
We've seen it.
Thugs in uniforms making up laws such as "you can't cycle north of the
Thames" and then violently enforcing them.

Quite frankly, the filth that made that one up isn't worth a gobful of
spit to extinguish him if he was on fire (we can only hope, but I fear
that punishment will have to wait until another life).

If the police want people to respect them, they should not act in such
a contemptible fashion.


Another one for the archive!



--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."