"Disabled" Guy - "pepper sprayed" at 2012

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:46:48 +0100, Judith
wrote:



I wonder what his disability is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfftgb4KOlE

27 seconds in

It is interesting how he jumps off his "trike" and then assaults the police
officer.


I reckon it is Doug - it does look like him and it looks like an electric
trike he has got there.


I wonder if anyone will draw this particular footage - and perhaps even a name
- to the attention of the Met?

It looks to me like Doug was trying to prevent a young woman being
assaulted by the policeman by using reasonable force. The man in a
green shirt then jumped in and started hitting the errant copper. The
police medic then started thwacking the man in a green shirt with a
truncheon. When eventually the errant copper regained his balance it
appears he thought it was Doug who had been hitting him.

On Jul 30, 2:06*pm, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:46:48 +0100, Judith
wrote:











I wonder what his disability is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfftgb4KOlE

27 seconds in

It is interesting how he jumps off his "trike" and then assaults the police
officer.

I reckon it is Doug - *it does look like him and it looks like an electric
trike he has got there.

I wonder if anyone will draw this particular footage - and perhaps even a name
- *to the attention of the Met?

It looks to me like Doug was trying to prevent a young woman being
assaulted by the policeman by using reasonable force. The man in a
green shirt then jumped in and started hitting the errant copper. The
police medic then started thwacking the man in a green shirt with a
truncheon. When eventually the errant copper regained his balance it
appears he thought it was Doug who had been hitting him.

Looks to me like a BTP copper had strayed outside his area and was
attempting unlawful arrest and then decided to lash out at all around
when things weren't going his way. To me it seems that the scooter
rider was doing nothing more than avoiding getting an elbow in the
face from a worked-up bull-terrier. I wonder whether the commander
who yanked his chain will be identified.

On Jul 30, 11:53*am, Mark H wrote:
On 30/07/2012 11:27, GB wrote:



On 30/07/2012 10:56, NM wrote:
On Jul 30, 10:46 am, Judith wrote:
I wonder what his disability is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfftgb4KOlE

27 seconds in

It is interesting how he jumps off his "trike" and then assaults the
police
officer.

I reckon it is Doug - *it does look like him and it looks like an
electric
trike he has got there.

I wonder if anyone will draw this particular footage - and perhaps
even a name
- *to the attention of the Met?

I'm with the disabled guy, he lost his rag at the policeman being a
bully and reacted, some of these guys are out and out thugs in uniform..

What I saw in the video was 3 or possibly 4 policemen/women, surrounded
by a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to arrest
a woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue
force on her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the
camera frame launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back
again. Then the big bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and
someone else from the crowd joined in.

Sounds to me like members of the public were trying to protect a woman
being violently assaulted by out of control police.

I'll go with that.

On Jul 30, 1:10*pm, Frederick Williams
wrote:
NM wrote:

I'm with the disabled guy, he lost his rag at the policeman being a
bully and reacted, some of these guys are out and out thugs in uniform.

Disabled people have as much right to be the victims of thugs in uniform
as the rest of us.

--
* * *The animated figures stand
* * *Adorning every public street
* * *And seem to breathe in stone, or
* * *Move their marble feet.

I know, I'm disabled and I have exercised my right to be a victim.

On 30/07/2012 13:11, NM wrote:
On Jul 30, 11:27 am, GB wrote:
Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the
camera frame launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back
again. Then the big bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and
someone else from the crowd joined in.

Why did he punch back, is that included in the job description?


Yes, of course it is. He has a right to defend himself.

What I saw in the video was 3 or possibly 4 policemen/women, surrounded
by a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to arrest
a woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue
force on her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the
camera frame launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back
again. Then the big bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and
someone else from the crowd joined in.

Sounds to me like members of the public were trying to protect a woman
being violently assaulted by out of control police.

I'll go with that.

The video shows no violent assault by the Police. If you saw that,
please give the exact timing, and I'll re-check.

What I did see was members of the public interfering with an arrest.
There is nothing in the video to show that the arrest was unlawful - the
video starts after the arrest had started - so it's sensible to assume
it was lawful. Even if it wasn't, it's pretty cowardly to attack the
policeman from behind.

On Jul 30, 4:20*pm, GB wrote:
What I saw in the video was 3 or possibly 4 policemen/women, surrounded
by a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to arrest
a woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue
force on her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the
camera frame launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back
again. Then the big bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and
someone else from the crowd joined in.

Sounds to me like members of the public were trying to protect a woman
being violently assaulted by out of control police.

I'll go with that.

The video shows no violent assault by the Police. If you saw that,
please give the exact timing, and I'll re-check.

What I did see was members of the public interfering with an arrest.
There is nothing in the video to show that the arrest was unlawful - the
video starts after the arrest had started - so it's sensible to assume
it was lawful. Even if it wasn't, it's pretty cowardly to attack the
policeman from behind.

Shame it wasn't more successful it's about time some of these
uniformed thugs got a good kicking.

On 30/07/2012 16:29, NM wrote:
On Jul 30, 4:20 pm, GB wrote:
What I saw in the video was 3 or possibly 4 policemen/women, surrounded
by a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to arrest
a woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue
force on her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the
camera frame launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back
again. Then the big bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and
someone else from the crowd joined in.

Sounds to me like members of the public were trying to protect a woman
being violently assaulted by out of control police.

I'll go with that.

The video shows no violent assault by the Police. If you saw that,
please give the exact timing, and I'll re-check.

What I did see was members of the public interfering with an arrest.
There is nothing in the video to show that the arrest was unlawful - the
video starts after the arrest had started - so it's sensible to assume
it was lawful. Even if it wasn't, it's pretty cowardly to attack the
policeman from behind.

Shame it wasn't more successful it's about time some of these
uniformed thugs got a good kicking.

So, I'm pleased that you evidently agree with my point.

On Jul 30, 4:20*pm, GB wrote:
What I saw in the video was 3 or possibly 4 policemen/women, surrounded
by a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to arrest
a woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue
force on her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the
camera frame launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back
again. Then the big bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and
someone else from the crowd joined in.

Sounds to me like members of the public were trying to protect a woman
being violently assaulted by out of control police.

I'll go with that.

The video shows no violent assault by the Police. If you saw that,
please give the exact timing, and I'll re-check.

What I did see was members of the public interfering with an arrest.
There is nothing in the video to show that the arrest was unlawful - the

I didn't see a relevant insignia, the protest of arrest is excusable
if the constable refused to show his warrant. There was no Met
policeman in attendance so there is no evidence to an onlooker that
the man in fancy dress has any authority. So, did the BTP policeman
show a valid warrant or was he winging it?.

video starts after the arrest had started - so it's sensible to assume
it was lawful. Even if it wasn't, it's pretty cowardly to attack the
policeman from behind.

It's stupid to approach a snarling bull-terrier from the front. The
copper backed into the car and fell over backwards after linking
arms. He was panicking and lashing out. The two gentleman came to
his aid on the car bonnet so that the copper didn't injure himself or
others. ;-)

On 30/07/2012 17:13, thirty-six wrote:
On Jul 30, 4:20 pm, GB wrote:
What I saw in the video was 3 or possibly 4 policemen/women, surrounded
by a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to arrest
a woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue
force on her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the
camera frame launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back
again. Then the big bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and
someone else from the crowd joined in.

Sounds to me like members of the public were trying to protect a woman
being violently assaulted by out of control police.

I'll go with that.

The video shows no violent assault by the Police. If you saw that,
please give the exact timing, and I'll re-check.

What I did see was members of the public interfering with an arrest.
There is nothing in the video to show that the arrest was unlawful - the

I didn't see a relevant insignia, the protest of arrest is excusable
if the constable refused to show his warrant. There was no Met
policeman in attendance so there is no evidence to an onlooker that
the man in fancy dress has any authority. So, did the BTP policeman
show a valid warrant or was he winging it?.

Look, if you are going to be a barrack room lawyer, at least make some
small attempt to check your facts. Wikipedia says:

"Spontaneous requirement outside natural jurisdiction
A BTP constable has the same powers and privileges of a constable of a
territorial police force:[30]
in relation to people whom they suspect on reasonable grounds of having
committed, being in the course of committing or being about to commit an
offence, or
if they believe on reasonable grounds that they need those powers and
privileges in order to save life or to prevent or minimise personal injury.
A BTP constable may only use such powers if he believes on reasonable
grounds that if he cannot do so until he secures the attendance of or a
request from a local constable (as above), the purpose for which he
believes it ought to be exercised will be frustrated or seriously
prejudiced.[30]"

So, according to WP, the BTP officer was rather bravely acting in the
course of his duty. Now, WP is not always right, so no doubt you will
produce chapter and verse showing that WP is wrong.