Crazy eBay offers

On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 12:34:03 PM UTC-7, wrote:
It isn't as if I am overcharging for my bikes on eBay. And boxing and sending them is a definite pain in the butt and now VERY EXPENSIVE. Especially compared to just a couple of years ago. Offers are mostly less than FRAMESETS are selling for on a Di2 equipped bike. To send a bike by ground transportation from Oakland to Washington DC is $400 with packing and shipping. This is WITHOUT insurance. Not to mention that absolute pain-in-the ass of having to move around a package that side by yourself. Yeah, it only weighs 26 lbs. but it is 56" long and 36" tall and 7" wide. I can just barely get it in the trunk of my car leaving the trunk lid open. Dumbass eBay wouldn't print the label for UPS on my last bike so I had to do everything myself. I wasted half a tank of gas doing everything this way. With a label I could have had it picked up at the dealer that packed the bike.

Tom have u seen my silver '80 colnago? I turned my back on it for 2 minutes at ashby bart :-(

On 4/26/2021 7:03 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 11:04:12 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:


Try comparing like with like. For example, try comparing the U.S. with
Canada or other westernized nations. Try comparing urban areas with
urban areas, not with sparsely populated rural areas.

Oh, and try excluding classic hunting guns from the count, to emphasize
guns intended for killing people, AKA "protection." I have a friend who
used to love going to Wyoming to hunt game birds. Guns like his are
probably never involved in gun crime.

But Frank I compared a U.S. state with other U.S. states and now you
want to compare the U.S. with foreign countries. But hey! The foreign
countries have a different history and traditions, a different
economic system, a different ethnic makeup of the population, Heck
some of them even speak a different language. Far different then the
U.S. then the difference between U.S. states.

The problem with your analysis is that strict gun laws in one city or
state can't be effective if their jurisdiction vanishes just across city
limits or state borders. There is perfectly free movement between
Chicago and Indiana, to reference Andrew's favorite example. If everyone
was interviewed and possibly frisked on entering Chicago, as they can be
when entering Canada, Chicago could control guns much better.

If you think that's not true, and that the U.S. problem is instead due
to different history, traditions, economic systems and/or ethnic makeup,
please give the details! How do those things cause Canada, Great Britain
and Australia to be comparatively devoid of gun deaths and gun crimes?
Don't just wave your hands - get specific.


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 4:45:04 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 12:34:03 PM UTC-7, wrote:
It isn't as if I am overcharging for my bikes on eBay. And boxing and sending them is a definite pain in the butt and now VERY EXPENSIVE. Especially compared to just a couple of years ago. Offers are mostly less than FRAMESETS are selling for on a Di2 equipped bike. To send a bike by ground transportation from Oakland to Washington DC is $400 with packing and shipping. This is WITHOUT insurance. Not to mention that absolute pain-in-the ass of having to move around a package that side by yourself. Yeah, it only weighs 26 lbs. but it is 56" long and 36" tall and 7" wide. I can just barely get it in the trunk of my car leaving the trunk lid open. Dumbass eBay wouldn't print the label for UPS on my last bike so I had to do everything myself.. I wasted half a tank of gas doing everything this way. With a label I could have had it picked up at the dealer that packed the bike.

Tom have u seen my silver '80 colnago? I turned my back on it for 2 minutes at ashby bart :-(
Why would anyone steal an 80 Colnago? This has to be a homeless guy that needs transportation and has no idea what he has.

On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 6:03:12 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 11:04:12 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 4/26/2021 1:08 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 22:31:37 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 4/25/2021 9:28 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 10:50:16 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 4/24/2021 11:37 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 22:45:57 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 4/24/2021 9:29 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 10:27:08 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
wrote:

There are mass shootings in the US, some of them in schools. You need
armed guards in schools to protect your children. It's an arms race.

Right! School shootings.
In 2020 in the U.S. there were 10 school shootings. 3 people were
killed - 2 students and 1 adult. And, 9 injuries.
https://www.edweek.org/leadership/sc...-where/2020/01
In 2018 there were 854 bicyclists killed in the U.S. and some 45,000
reported accidents in 2015 (sorry latest status I can find)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclis...n_U.S._by_year
https://www.peoplepoweredmovement.or...united-states/

But we can ignore the 854 bicycle deaths and scream frantically about
the 3. Sure, makes perfect sense.

Benefits vs. detriments, John.

An obvious detriment of allowing guns in the hands of any nut is the
possibility of those school shootings. The list is much longer than the
few you admitted to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

Detriments? Well, there are those deaths. There's also the taxpayer
expense of metal detectors at many schools, the expense of armed guards
on patrol, the inconvenience of active shooter drills in schools, and
what must be a psychological effect on kids and on society.

Then there's the insanity of telling a person trained to educate kids,
working as a middle school teacher in a little rural disctrict "We'd
relly like you to qualify for a gun license and keep a handgun in your
desk drawer." This happened to a very good friend of mine. (She refused.)

I don't think there's another country where that's considered sane.

See, there you are getting all excepted and waving your arms and
shooting. I was comparing school shooting - the really terrible death
of 3 people and injuries to 9 and bicycle deaths amounting to 854
deaths and 45,000 injuries.

If killing 3 people in a school is terrible what about killing more
than 800? And injuring 9 or 45,000?

Again, benefits vs. detriments, John.

Bicycle deaths are bad, and could and should be reduced. But even with
the current (low) level of bike fatalities, bicycling is a great net
benefit. It's very good for individual health and societal health.

What is the benefit of letting (almost) every nut buy a gun, knowing
that a bunch of them will use them to kill people, including kids
sitting in school?

See, terror tactics: "a bunch of them will use them to kill people,
including kids sitting in school?"

Reality is, that as I previously posted school shootings killed 2
students and 1 adult in 2020. Is that "a bunch of them".

Again, a list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

Don't focus on one year in which most kids could not go to school for
much of the year.


But the point of my previous post was to question why the screaming
and hollering about school shootings when 284 times as many were
killed on bicycles and not a word is said?

I don't see the benefit. Other countries manage better with far, far
fewer guns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_and_homicide
But do guns really matter?

Yes. Yes, they do. Anyone this side of a Flat Earther should be able to
see that.

I know that they seem to terrify you but really.

They don't terrify me. I've had plenty of fun target shooting, and
certainly will again. If my life situation had been a tiny bit
different, I'm sure I would have been a hunter as well.

But I think the American gun fetish is stupid, especially the part that
focuses on macho "protection." And there's no question that the great
majority of Americans want different gun policies - which the NRA
opposes by buying off politicians.

Every other prosperous westernized country has much more rational gun
laws and far fewer gun problems. It's nonsense to pretend that the
American approach is working.

Yup, the gun problem! But how is it, as I have repeatedly mentioned
that gun possession and murder rates just don't seem to match and
states with an "x" murder rate may actually have more firearms than a
state with a lower murder rate, or just the opposite.

Washington D.C. has the highest murder rate in the U.S. and 38 states
have a higher gun ownership then D.C. and all of the states with a
higher gun ownership have a lower murder rate.

The state with the 2nd highest firearm murder rate - Louisiana - 8.1
versus 18.0 has 1.7 times as many guns and less then half the gun
homicides.

Of the states with a similar gun ownership as D.C. (25.9), Illinois
with a gun ownership of 26.2, Oregon 26.6, Missouri 27.1 they have gun
murder rates of 3.4, 0.8 and 6.9, or 1/5th, 1/22nd and 1/2 the murder
rate of D.C.

Try comparing like with like. For example, try comparing the U.S. with
Canada or other westernized nations. Try comparing urban areas with
urban areas, not with sparsely populated rural areas.

Oh, and try excluding classic hunting guns from the count, to emphasize
guns intended for killing people, AKA "protection." I have a friend who
used to love going to Wyoming to hunt game birds. Guns like his are
probably never involved in gun crime.

But Frank I compared a U.S. state with other U.S. states and now you
want to compare the U.S. with foreign countries. But hey! The foreign
countries have a different history and traditions, a different
economic system, a different ethnic makeup of the population, Heck
some of them even speak a different language. Far different then the
U.S. then the difference between U.S. states.


I'd be very happy to argue the differences between some states, or regions, of the USA are much greater than the difference between some countries. Top 1/3 of USA has more in common with Canada than the bottom 1/3 of USA. The Southeast of the USA stands out for a vastly different history (Civil War, slavery, plantations, Jim Crow laws) and different ethnic makeup of the population. Southwest of USA has different ethnic makeup. Midwest USA states have agriculture as one of its main economic drivers. Agriculture that is not similar to agriculture carried out in other parts of the USA. USA is one country. Formed between 60 and 245 years ago. When the states were added. But if the USA was forming as a country today, no way on earth it would be formed as one country. It would be split into several or many different countries. Similar to Europe.

So comparing regions of the USA to other whole countries is more applicable than comparing regions of the USA to other regions of the USA. And so comparing the extremely diverse and disjointed USA to other wildly diverse, disjointed countries in the world makes plenty of sense. More than comparing one state in the USA to one other state.







I have no idea what you mean by the statement "Guns like his are
probably never involved in gun crime" as gun crimes have been carried
out with shotguns, rifles and pistols so the various types of firearms
are pretty well covered.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:37:41 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 6:03:12 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 11:04:12 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 4/26/2021 1:08 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 22:31:37 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 4/25/2021 9:28 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 10:50:16 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 4/24/2021 11:37 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 22:45:57 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 4/24/2021 9:29 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 10:27:08 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
wrote:

There are mass shootings in the US, some of them in schools. You need
armed guards in schools to protect your children. It's an arms race.

Right! School shootings.
In 2020 in the U.S. there were 10 school shootings. 3 people were
killed - 2 students and 1 adult. And, 9 injuries.
https://www.edweek.org/leadership/sc...-where/2020/01
In 2018 there were 854 bicyclists killed in the U.S. and some 45,000
reported accidents in 2015 (sorry latest status I can find)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclis...n_U.S._by_year
https://www.peoplepoweredmovement.or...united-states/

But we can ignore the 854 bicycle deaths and scream frantically about
the 3. Sure, makes perfect sense.

Benefits vs. detriments, John.

An obvious detriment of allowing guns in the hands of any nut is the
possibility of those school shootings. The list is much longer than the
few you admitted to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

Detriments? Well, there are those deaths. There's also the taxpayer
expense of metal detectors at many schools, the expense of armed guards
on patrol, the inconvenience of active shooter drills in schools, and
what must be a psychological effect on kids and on society.

Then there's the insanity of telling a person trained to educate kids,
working as a middle school teacher in a little rural disctrict "We'd
relly like you to qualify for a gun license and keep a handgun in your
desk drawer." This happened to a very good friend of mine. (She refused.)

I don't think there's another country where that's considered sane.

See, there you are getting all excepted and waving your arms and
shooting. I was comparing school shooting - the really terrible death
of 3 people and injuries to 9 and bicycle deaths amounting to 854
deaths and 45,000 injuries.

If killing 3 people in a school is terrible what about killing more
than 800? And injuring 9 or 45,000?

Again, benefits vs. detriments, John.

Bicycle deaths are bad, and could and should be reduced. But even with
the current (low) level of bike fatalities, bicycling is a great net
benefit. It's very good for individual health and societal health..

What is the benefit of letting (almost) every nut buy a gun, knowing
that a bunch of them will use them to kill people, including kids
sitting in school?

See, terror tactics: "a bunch of them will use them to kill people,
including kids sitting in school?"

Reality is, that as I previously posted school shootings killed 2
students and 1 adult in 2020. Is that "a bunch of them".

Again, a list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

Don't focus on one year in which most kids could not go to school for
much of the year.


But the point of my previous post was to question why the screaming
and hollering about school shootings when 284 times as many were
killed on bicycles and not a word is said?

I don't see the benefit. Other countries manage better with far, far
fewer guns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_and_homicide
But do guns really matter?

Yes. Yes, they do. Anyone this side of a Flat Earther should be able to
see that.

I know that they seem to terrify you but really.

They don't terrify me. I've had plenty of fun target shooting, and
certainly will again. If my life situation had been a tiny bit
different, I'm sure I would have been a hunter as well.

But I think the American gun fetish is stupid, especially the part that
focuses on macho "protection." And there's no question that the great
majority of Americans want different gun policies - which the NRA
opposes by buying off politicians.

Every other prosperous westernized country has much more rational gun
laws and far fewer gun problems. It's nonsense to pretend that the
American approach is working.

Yup, the gun problem! But how is it, as I have repeatedly mentioned
that gun possession and murder rates just don't seem to match and
states with an "x" murder rate may actually have more firearms than a
state with a lower murder rate, or just the opposite.

Washington D.C. has the highest murder rate in the U.S. and 38 states
have a higher gun ownership then D.C. and all of the states with a
higher gun ownership have a lower murder rate.

The state with the 2nd highest firearm murder rate - Louisiana - 8.1
versus 18.0 has 1.7 times as many guns and less then half the gun
homicides.

Of the states with a similar gun ownership as D.C. (25.9), Illinois
with a gun ownership of 26.2, Oregon 26.6, Missouri 27.1 they have gun
murder rates of 3.4, 0.8 and 6.9, or 1/5th, 1/22nd and 1/2 the murder
rate of D.C.

Try comparing like with like. For example, try comparing the U.S. with
Canada or other westernized nations. Try comparing urban areas with
urban areas, not with sparsely populated rural areas.

Oh, and try excluding classic hunting guns from the count, to emphasize
guns intended for killing people, AKA "protection." I have a friend who
used to love going to Wyoming to hunt game birds. Guns like his are
probably never involved in gun crime.

But Frank I compared a U.S. state with other U.S. states and now you
want to compare the U.S. with foreign countries. But hey! The foreign
countries have a different history and traditions, a different
economic system, a different ethnic makeup of the population, Heck
some of them even speak a different language. Far different then the
U.S. then the difference between U.S. states.

I'd be very happy to argue the differences between some states, or regions, of the USA are much greater than the difference between some countries. Top 1/3 of USA has more in common with Canada than the bottom 1/3 of USA. The Southeast of the USA stands out for a vastly different history (Civil War, slavery, plantations, Jim Crow laws) and different ethnic makeup of the population. Southwest of USA has different ethnic makeup. Midwest USA states have agriculture as one of its main economic drivers. Agriculture that is not similar to agriculture carried out in other parts of the USA. USA is one country. Formed between 60 and 245 years ago. When the states were added.. But if the USA was forming as a country today, no way on earth it would be formed as one country. It would be split into several or many different countries. Similar to Europe.

So comparing regions of the USA to other whole countries is more applicable than comparing regions of the USA to other regions of the USA. And so comparing the extremely diverse and disjointed USA to other wildly diverse, disjointed countries in the world makes plenty of sense. More than comparing one state in the USA to one other state.
I have no idea what you mean by the statement "Guns like his are
probably never involved in gun crime" as gun crimes have been carried
out with shotguns, rifles and pistols so the various types of firearms
are pretty well covered.

Russell, again please don't talk about history that you know nothing about. The Jim Crow slavers were Democrats then and now. The common southerner did not and never did believe in slavery. I already told you that in Oakland blacks had to sit in the back of the bus. And it was the ****ing common working man that ended that and not some Democrat supposedly for human rights.

You can hear people say that Truman desegregated the military because he signed the bill that was put in front of him. But he NEVER desegregated them and that was left to Eisenhower to actually carry it out.

Exactly what do you think is going on right now? Do you really think that Biden is running this country? And if not who is? Do you believe that this country has the right to know who is pulling the strings? The Congress isn't because the Democrats will agree to nothing no matter what good it does to the country as a whole. Any gain by one Republican for them is a loss.