Another cyclist killed

This looks like another classic HGV left hook:
Cyclist waits at red lights. HGV pulls alongside to turn left. HGV
driver pulls off forgetting there is a cyclist on his inside and kills
the cyclist.

When are these killer HGVs going to be made to have side bars fitted?
http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/4337

"Tom Crispin" wrote in message
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This looks like another classic HGV left hook:
Cyclist waits at red lights. HGV pulls alongside to turn left. HGV
driver pulls off forgetting there is a cyclist on his inside and kills
the cyclist.

When are these killer HGVs going to be made to have side bars fitted?
http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/4337



do you know the cyclist arrived first or is that a guess? the linked report
does not include that detail.

I always make sure that if I arrive first I stop in primary position or stay
well back from the junction if there is an HGV already there.

pk

Tom Crispin wrote:
This looks like another classic HGV left hook:
Cyclist waits at red lights. HGV pulls alongside to turn left. HGV
driver pulls off forgetting there is a cyclist on his inside and kills
the cyclist.

When are these killer HGVs going to be made to have side bars fitted?
http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/4337

Not enough info yet to tell what happened.

--
Tony Dragon

On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:26:28 -0000, "pk" wrote:

"Tom Crispin" wrote in message
.. .
This looks like another classic HGV left hook:
Cyclist waits at red lights. HGV pulls alongside to turn left. HGV
driver pulls off forgetting there is a cyclist on his inside and kills
the cyclist.

When are these killer HGVs going to be made to have side bars fitted?
http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/4337



do you know the cyclist arrived first or is that a guess? the linked report
does not include that detail.

I said it 'looks like'. I do not know what happened. I do know that
the lorry did not have side bars fitted.

http://www.southlondon-today.co.uk/t.../35209MA07.jpg

I always make sure that if I arrive first I stop in primary position or stay
well back from the junction if there is an HGV already there.

Always good advice. I don't know the exact details, so I would not
like to blame the victim for poor road positioning.

On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:20:08 +0000, Tom Crispin
wrote:

This looks like another classic HGV left hook:
Cyclist waits at red lights. HGV pulls alongside to turn left. HGV
driver pulls off forgetting there is a cyclist on his inside and kills
the cyclist.


I could not infer that from the report.

Nor could I infer : lorry indiactes to turn left, cyclists pulled up
alongside and then gets crushed by turning lorry.

Both are just as likely.


However you look at it, cycling in London can be quite dangerous.

"JMS" wrote in message
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On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:20:08 +0000, Tom Crispin
wrote:

This looks like another classic HGV left hook:
Cyclist waits at red lights. HGV pulls alongside to turn left. HGV
driver pulls off forgetting there is a cyclist on his inside and kills
the cyclist.


I could not infer that from the report.

Nor could I infer : lorry indiactes to turn left, cyclists pulled up
alongside and then gets crushed by turning lorry.

Both are just as likely.


However you look at it, cycling in London can be quite dangerous.







The very simple fact remains that if cyclists follow the guidance of cycle
craft (primary position on approach, do not allow another vehicle to share
the same lane, never pass a bus or long vehicle in the same lane near the
head of a signal queue) they minimise the chances of a left hook.

If anyone is going to trot out a mantra before the facts are known in such
cases as this, a reminder of the above would be better that an implied (yes
it was there Tom, you know it was) blaming of the driver.

pk

Tom Crispin wrote:
This looks like another classic HGV left hook:
Cyclist waits at red lights. HGV pulls alongside to turn left. HGV
driver pulls off forgetting there is a cyclist on his inside and kills
the cyclist.

When are these killer HGVs going to be made to have side bars fitted?
http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/4337

You could equally ask when are cyclists going to use common bloody sense.

There are insufficient details in that report to make the claim that the
lorry driver was at fault.


--
Dave - the small piece of 14th century armour used to protect the armpit.

On 09/02/2010 17:54, Tom Crispin wrote:

I said it 'looks like'. I do not know what happened.

Why? I can't see anything that would lead to that conclusion.

On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:51:33 +0000, Tony Dragon
wrote:

Tom Crispin wrote:
This looks like another classic HGV left hook:
Cyclist waits at red lights. HGV pulls alongside to turn left. HGV
driver pulls off forgetting there is a cyclist on his inside and kills
the cyclist.

When are these killer HGVs going to be made to have side bars fitted?
http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/4337

Not enough info yet to tell what happened.

There are no pavement railings, so it is likely that the victim went
under the wheels (being crushed between lorry and railings, another
classic HGV left hook method of killing, is not possible). Had the
lorry been fitted with £300 side bars it is less likely that the
victim would have ended up under the wheels.

On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:26:29 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:

Tom Crispin wrote:
This looks like another classic HGV left hook:
Cyclist waits at red lights. HGV pulls alongside to turn left. HGV
driver pulls off forgetting there is a cyclist on his inside and kills
the cyclist.

When are these killer HGVs going to be made to have side bars fitted?
http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/4337

You could equally ask when are cyclists going to use common bloody sense.

There are insufficient details in that report to make the claim that the
lorry driver was at fault.

Fortunately for the driver, he is alive and the cyclist is dead. Dead
cyclists do not make good witnesses, so it is easy to blame the
victim.