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On 11/4/2014 12:11 PM, jbeattie wrote:

snip

I don't think there has been a tremendous drop in physical activity over the past few decades -- not if you look at how urban adults actually lived in the '50s and '60s. Most adults smoked like chimneys and drank like fish. Scotch and water were drunk in equal proportions around many homes. Fathers were handy, but the yard work was done by the kids. That's what kids were for. People drove big, heavy cars and didn't walk or ride bikes. We Californians did not shovel snow. Ward Clever sat around in a Cardigan and smoked a pipe, and he worked at a desk all week. Ward was trim -- and good looking!

Hey, maybe its not obesity but the fact that we no longer wear well-tailored clothing, like suits with shoulder pads that make us look trim. People just dressed better -- even poor people. http://resources0.news.com.au/images...up-kitchen.jpg

Bring back the dress code! Kidding aside, the obesity issue is complicated, particularly with kids. My personal belief is that in adults, it is a function of diet, stress and to a lesser extent exercise.



I think it's the fast food and coke combo. I remember in NOLA when the
first McDo's opened. I couldn't imagine anyone eating there when you
could get a shrimp po-boy for a few nickels more. But it caught on.
Salt and sugar is addictive.

On 11/4/2014 9:11 AM, jbeattie wrote:

snip

Hey, maybe its not obesity but the fact that we no longer wear well-tailored clothing, like suits with shoulder pads that make us look trim. People just dressed better -- even poor people. http://resources0.news.com.au/images...up-kitchen.jpg

Bring back the dress code! Kidding aside, the obesity issue is complicated, particularly with kids. My personal belief is that in adults, it is a function of diet, stress and to a lesser extent exercise.

Diet is a huge part of it, particularly soda consumption. Soda has not
gone up in price in decades. A 2 liter bottle of soda, on sale, has
remained at about $1 for a very long time. I can't even buy a 2 liter
bottle of seltzer water that cheap. It's because of the government
subsidies for corn growers and the low cost of HFCS. Restaurant visits
are way up and restaurants really push soda, now with free refills.

Back when I moved to California in 1979, commuting by bicycle was an
anomaly. I did it wearing nice clothes because back then engineers were
expected to dress up a little because we had to deal with the workers
downstairs in the factory (I kind of miss the concept of an engineering
building and a manufacturing building in the same complex, rather than
the manufacturing being across the world).

Today, bicycle commuting is a lot more common. Facilities are better.
Infrastructure is better. Equipment is better.

However when I visited my old university I noticed that bicycle use was
way down. It was because the campus had grown so large that it was
faster to use the campus bus service than to cycle (when I was there it
was the opposite). New buildings were place further and further out
because that's where the land was.

There are two soda tax measures on the ballot in the Bay Area.
Naturally, big soda is pouring in a lot of money to defeat them. I have
mixed feelings about them. I would not want people switching to
Nutrasweet or other artificial sweeteners which are as bad as HFCS, just
in other ways.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1028-cook-soda-tax-poor-people-20141028-story.html

On 11/4/2014 11:41 AM, Duane wrote:
On 11/4/2014 12:11 PM, jbeattie wrote:

snip

I don't think there has been a tremendous drop in physical
activity over the past few decades -- not if you look at
how urban adults actually lived in the '50s and '60s.
Most adults smoked like chimneys and drank like fish.
Scotch and water were drunk in equal proportions around
many homes. Fathers were handy, but the yard work was done
by the kids. That's what kids were for. People drove big,
heavy cars and didn't walk or ride bikes. We Californians
did not shovel snow. Ward Clever sat around in a Cardigan
and smoked a pipe, and he worked at a desk all week. Ward
was trim -- and good looking!

Hey, maybe its not obesity but the fact that we no longer
wear well-tailored clothing, like suits with shoulder pads
that make us look trim. People just dressed better --
even poor people.
http://resources0.news.com.au/images...up-kitchen.jpg


Bring back the dress code! Kidding aside, the obesity
issue is complicated, particularly with kids. My personal
belief is that in adults, it is a function of diet, stress
and to a lesser extent exercise.



I think it's the fast food and coke combo. I remember in
NOLA when the first McDo's opened. I couldn't imagine
anyone eating there when you could get a shrimp po-boy for a
few nickels more. But it caught on. Salt and sugar is
addictive.


One wonders, just how much lard do 330 million souls carry
in total? A lot:

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...y-year/256521/

Yikes!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

sms wrote:
On 11/4/2014 9:11 AM, jbeattie wrote:

snip

Hey, maybe its not obesity but the fact that we no longer wear
well-tailored clothing, like suits with shoulder pads that make us look
trim. People just dressed better -- even poor people.
http://resources0.news.com.au/images...up-kitchen.jpg

Bring back the dress code! Kidding aside, the obesity issue is
complicated, particularly with kids. My personal belief is that in
adults, it is a function of diet, stress and to a lesser extent exercise.

Diet is a huge part of it, particularly soda consumption. Soda has not
gone up in price in decades. A 2 liter bottle of soda, on sale, has
remained at about $1 for a very long time. I can't even buy a 2 liter
bottle of seltzer water that cheap. It's because of the government
subsidies for corn growers and the low cost of HFCS. Restaurant visits
are way up and restaurants really push soda, now with free refills.

Back when I moved to California in 1979, commuting by bicycle was an
anomaly. I did it wearing nice clothes because back then engineers were
expected to dress up a little because we had to deal with the workers
downstairs in the factory (I kind of miss the concept of an engineering
building and a manufacturing building in the same complex, rather than
the manufacturing being across the world).

Today, bicycle commuting is a lot more common. Facilities are better.
Infrastructure is better. Equipment is better.

However when I visited my old university I noticed that bicycle use was
way down. It was because the campus had grown so large that it was faster
to use the campus bus service than to cycle (when I was there it was the
opposite). New buildings were place further and further out because
that's where the land was.

There are two soda tax measures on the ballot in the Bay Area. Naturally,
big soda is pouring in a lot of money to defeat them. I have mixed
feelings about them. I would not want people switching to Nutrasweet or
other artificial sweeteners which are as bad as HFCS, just in other ways.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1028-cook-soda-tax-poor-people-20141028-story.html

Soda? I don't understand why anybody want to be that fat. It is appalling.
You only can blame yourself.
--
Lou

On 11/4/2014 2:58 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
sms wrote:
On 11/4/2014 9:11 AM, jbeattie wrote:

snip

Hey, maybe its not obesity but the fact that we no longer wear
well-tailored clothing, like suits with shoulder pads that make us look
trim. People just dressed better -- even poor people.
http://resources0.news.com.au/images...up-kitchen.jpg

Bring back the dress code! Kidding aside, the obesity issue is
complicated, particularly with kids. My personal belief is that in
adults, it is a function of diet, stress and to a lesser extent exercise.

Diet is a huge part of it, particularly soda consumption. Soda has not
gone up in price in decades. A 2 liter bottle of soda, on sale, has
remained at about $1 for a very long time. I can't even buy a 2 liter
bottle of seltzer water that cheap. It's because of the government
subsidies for corn growers and the low cost of HFCS. Restaurant visits
are way up and restaurants really push soda, now with free refills.

Back when I moved to California in 1979, commuting by bicycle was an
anomaly. I did it wearing nice clothes because back then engineers were
expected to dress up a little because we had to deal with the workers
downstairs in the factory (I kind of miss the concept of an engineering
building and a manufacturing building in the same complex, rather than
the manufacturing being across the world).

Today, bicycle commuting is a lot more common. Facilities are better.
Infrastructure is better. Equipment is better.

However when I visited my old university I noticed that bicycle use was
way down. It was because the campus had grown so large that it was faster
to use the campus bus service than to cycle (when I was there it was the
opposite). New buildings were place further and further out because
that's where the land was.

There are two soda tax measures on the ballot in the Bay Area. Naturally,
big soda is pouring in a lot of money to defeat them. I have mixed
feelings about them. I would not want people switching to Nutrasweet or
other artificial sweeteners which are as bad as HFCS, just in other ways.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1028-cook-soda-tax-poor-people-20141028-story.html

Soda? I don't understand why anybody want to be that fat. It is appalling.
You only can blame yourself.



It's crazy.
http://www.sugarstacks.com/beverages.htm

Duane wrote:
On 11/4/2014 2:58 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
sms wrote:
On 11/4/2014 9:11 AM, jbeattie wrote:

snip

Hey, maybe its not obesity but the fact that we no longer wear
well-tailored clothing, like suits with shoulder pads that make us look
trim. People just dressed better -- even poor people.
http://resources0.news.com.au/images...up-kitchen.jpg

Bring back the dress code! Kidding aside, the obesity issue is
complicated, particularly with kids. My personal belief is that in
adults, it is a function of diet, stress and to a lesser extent exercise.

Diet is a huge part of it, particularly soda consumption. Soda has not
gone up in price in decades. A 2 liter bottle of soda, on sale, has
remained at about $1 for a very long time. I can't even buy a 2 liter
bottle of seltzer water that cheap. It's because of the government
subsidies for corn growers and the low cost of HFCS. Restaurant visits
are way up and restaurants really push soda, now with free refills.

Back when I moved to California in 1979, commuting by bicycle was an
anomaly. I did it wearing nice clothes because back then engineers were
expected to dress up a little because we had to deal with the workers
downstairs in the factory (I kind of miss the concept of an engineering
building and a manufacturing building in the same complex, rather than
the manufacturing being across the world).

Today, bicycle commuting is a lot more common. Facilities are better.
Infrastructure is better. Equipment is better.

However when I visited my old university I noticed that bicycle use was
way down. It was because the campus had grown so large that it was faster
to use the campus bus service than to cycle (when I was there it was the
opposite). New buildings were place further and further out because
that's where the land was.

There are two soda tax measures on the ballot in the Bay Area. Naturally,
big soda is pouring in a lot of money to defeat them. I have mixed
feelings about them. I would not want people switching to Nutrasweet or
other artificial sweeteners which are as bad as HFCS, just in other ways.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1028-cook-soda-tax-poor-people-20141028-story.html

Soda? I don't understand why anybody want to be that fat. It is appalling.
You only can blame yourself.



It's crazy.
http://www.sugarstacks.com/beverages.htm

Yeah and everybody knows.
--
Lou

On 04/11/14 23:04, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 19:23:54 +1100, James
wrote:

On 03/11/14 22:29, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 16:12:12 +1100, James
wrote:

On 03/11/14 14:47, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, November 2, 2014 1:17:00 PM UTC-8, James wrote:
On 03/11/14 02:13, Joerg wrote:

A friend of mine is an expert dirt biker and mountain biker who
has absolutely no problem going through hundreds of miles of
uninhabited and very gnarly offroad areas. Meaning zero cell
coverage if you screw up.

sarcasm

How extremely brave. Your friend must have enormous balls.
Everyone should be on their knees in your friends presence.

/sarcasm

Do people really have trouble letting go of the umbilical cord?

So, what's the deal with riding in the outback? Do you use a
satellite phone or call for help on a digeridoo?

Kidding aside, I do get concerned skiing out of bounds -- so I don't
do it alone.
http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamasc...limber_po.html
According to the world's most reliable source, Wikipedia, cell phone
use has cut the number of deaths/rescues on Mt. Hood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_H...bing_accidents.

If Joerg's buddy crashes in the middle of nowhere, he can't update
his Facebook status to " I'm fu****" -- but he can do some selfies as
he bleeds out.


Further, some of the places I go fishing could be deadly. It would be
easy to slip and be knocked unconscious. The river stones are large and
slippery, and the bush is right to the river bank, so you have to wade
to fish. The water is also only a few degrees warmer than ice, and has
a strong current where the river narrows. The banks have deadly snakes
and spiders, and there's plenty of biting insects that some could have
an allergic reaction to. Sunburn gives you skin cancer. Fishing is
DANGEROUS, with or without a phone!

http://goo.gl/maps/O6sSS

And "up north" they have alligators and out in the ocean you've got
sharks.



Crocodiles in FNQ and NT. Alligators are like lovable kittens by
comparison.

I always get mixed up between the two. Alligators have short noses and
crocodiles long noses, except that some crocodiles have shorter
noses...


Salt water crocs have a slightly shorter and more broad nose than fresh
water crocs - and fresh water crocs are no where near as dangerous, in
fact I believe relatively harmless.

This freshwater croc got eaten by a snake...

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/quee...303-33xz8.html

My brother in-law goes fishing at that lake.

--
JS

On 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
sms wrote:
On 11/4/2014 9:11 AM, jbeattie wrote:

snip

Hey, maybe its not obesity but the fact that we no longer wear
well-tailored clothing, like suits with shoulder pads that make us look
trim. People just dressed better -- even poor people.
http://resources0.news.com.au/images...up-kitchen.jpg

Bring back the dress code! Kidding aside, the obesity issue is
complicated, particularly with kids. My personal belief is that in
adults, it is a function of diet, stress and to a lesser extent exercise.

Diet is a huge part of it, particularly soda consumption. Soda has not
gone up in price in decades. A 2 liter bottle of soda, on sale, has
remained at about $1 for a very long time. I can't even buy a 2 liter
bottle of seltzer water that cheap. It's because of the government
subsidies for corn growers and the low cost of HFCS. Restaurant visits
are way up and restaurants really push soda, now with free refills.

Back when I moved to California in 1979, commuting by bicycle was an
anomaly. I did it wearing nice clothes because back then engineers were
expected to dress up a little because we had to deal with the workers
downstairs in the factory (I kind of miss the concept of an engineering
building and a manufacturing building in the same complex, rather than
the manufacturing being across the world).

Today, bicycle commuting is a lot more common. Facilities are better.
Infrastructure is better. Equipment is better.

However when I visited my old university I noticed that bicycle use was
way down. It was because the campus had grown so large that it was faster
to use the campus bus service than to cycle (when I was there it was the
opposite). New buildings were place further and further out because
that's where the land was.

There are two soda tax measures on the ballot in the Bay Area. Naturally,
big soda is pouring in a lot of money to defeat them. I have mixed
feelings about them. I would not want people switching to Nutrasweet or
other artificial sweeteners which are as bad as HFCS, just in other ways.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1028-cook-soda-tax-poor-people-20141028-story.html

Soda? I don't understand why anybody want to be that fat. It is appalling.
You only can blame yourself.

Cheap cigarettes meant more smoking so cigarettes are heavily taxed and
smoking is way down. Some of the tax money eventually funds the medical
costs incurred by smokers.

The soda tax is supposed to have the same effect, reduce consumption by
making it much more expensive. The ads by the soda companies opposing
the San Francisco measure are disgusting. Championing the cause of
low-income people being forced to pay more for soda rather than finding
an alternative.

You already see much less soda consumption at restaurants which is very
worrisome to the restaurants because the high margins on soda and
alcohol essentially subsidize the food. That $1.50-3 soda costs the
restaurant maybe 10¢ for the cup, lid, ice, straw, carbonated water, and
syrup.

On 11/4/2014 12:43 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:

snip

Yeah and everybody knows.

The obesity epidemic is the worst in the low-income, low-education,
Republican-controlled areas. So NOT everyone knows or understands. And
there's an effort to keep it that way.

sms wrote:
On 11/4/2014 12:43 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:

snip

Yeah and everybody knows.

The obesity epidemic is the worst in the low-income, low-education,
Republican-controlled areas. So NOT everyone knows or understands. And
there's an effort to keep it that way.

They should know it by now don't you think. You should think people know
that smoking is bad for your health even the so called low income low
education people and still I see young people start smoking. How stupid can
you be? There is no excuse.

--
Lou