Goodbye

Pat wrote:
Oh, Bill, please! Today I was listening to Mark Davis calling Pat
Tillman's family "despicable" because they disagree with Pres. Bush.
He was calling for radio stations and television stations not to
give them any air time because of their political views. Then, I
turned to another station and there was Bill O'Reilly claiming that
Rosie O'Donnell and anyone who agreed with her did not deserve a
voice on the airways!
And you sit there and write that "the Left" is doing this! There is
plenty hypocrisy to go around, Bill. You've just proved it!

I was referring to mainstream discourse; never heard of Mark Davis.

Check your radio, then. Mark Davis is a national syndicated talk show
host. He is mainstream.

Again, Pat, the /difference/ is that Mark Davis or Mark Hickey or {insert
any conservative} don't try to PREVENT the other side from expressing its
views. Granted, some of their criticisms may be a bit harsh or wrong or
whatever, but they don't try to /deny/ the other side the chance to talk.

Send Ann Coulter to Columbia University to give a talk -- even to "her own"
audience -- and watch what happens.

I've simply never seen right wingers do that to left wing speakers. (They
may protest or ask to ask questions, but they don't storm the stage and
disrupt events...that I've seen anyway.)

(And
the last time I heard Bill O'Reilly talk about Rosie he was
/defending/ her right to free (even if disgraceful) speech.)

Well, then, you didn't listen today, didja?

I heard him specifically say he didn't advocate her being fired -- which is
not the same as thinking she was going to be.


Why on earth would you listen to people you dislike, anyway?

Are you saying that talk shows are only for people who agree with
everything the host is saying? BTW: I didn't say I disliked Bill
O'Reilly OR Mark Davis. I listen to them, don't I?

Put it this way: I would rather be root-canaled than listen to Air America.
YMMV.

On a smaller scale, just read Mark's thread on Floyd to see the
latest .rec example.

I would appreciate it if you would just get off of your "the Left"
rants. Recognize that both sides have plenty of this stuff going on.
Check out the latest Limbaugh stuff with his "Halfrican" slurs and
Obama songs....

You have no idea where those come from, do you? An African-American
reporter for the LA Times called Obama "a convenient Negro" for assuaging
white guilt -- AND talked about Sharpton being jealous of him (after all,
Joe Biden as much as said Obama was the first "articulate and /clean/ black
presidential candidate). Limbaugh's parodies even go to great pains to
/include/ the source in their content, but the blogs ignore that
"inconvenient truth" and portray them as mean-spirited when in fact they're
not. If you listen to his show you'd know that. (I've never heard him use
"Halfrican", BTW. This is the first I've ever heard that -- although I have
heard that some Dems wonder "if he's Black enough" or "down with the
struggle" as Jesse puts it.)

Out.

Patrick Lamb wrote:

OT now; how do some posters manage to post such large volumes of
material? I've wondered on occasion if real people spontaneously
generate the quantity posted under a given name, or if there's just
large files sitting around on some number of hard disks, out of which
random paragraphs are posted. (It's often hard to tell by reading the
posts, too.)

I wonder, too. I keep my posts really short usually (much to some people's
chagrin, apparently!); who has the time to write /volumes/ on Usenet each
and every day?!?

The kicker is that those folks probably also frequent blogs and mailing
lists, which are also time consuming.

I need to get out and /ride/, man.

Oh, Bill, please! Today I was listening to Mark Davis calling Pat
Tillman's family "despicable" because they disagree with Pres. Bush.
He was calling for radio stations and television stations not to give
them any air time because of their political views. Then, I turned
to another station and there was Bill O'Reilly claiming that Rosie
O'Donnell and anyone who agreed with her did not deserve a voice on
the airways!
And you sit there and write that "the Left" is doing this! There is
plenty hypocrisy to go around, Bill. You've just proved it!

I was referring to mainstream discourse; never heard of Mark Davis.

Check your radio, then. Mark Davis is a national syndicated talk show host.
He is mainstream.


(And
the last time I heard Bill O'Reilly talk about Rosie he was /defending/
her right to free (even if disgraceful) speech.)

Well, then, you didn't listen today, didja?




Why on earth would you listen to people you dislike, anyway?

Are you saying that talk shows are only for people who agree with everything
the host is saying? BTW: I didn't say I disliked Bill O'Reilly OR Mark
Davis. I listen to them, don't I?



On a smaller scale, just read Mark's thread on Floyd to see the latest
.rec example.

I would appreciate it if you would just get off of your "the Left" rants.
Recognize that both sides have plenty of this stuff going on. Check out the
latest Limbaugh stuff with his "Halfrican" slurs and Obama songs....

Pat in TX

PS: You not only deleted the context of the above (Tomlinson's comment
that he'd refrain from attacking Mark as long as Mark stayed out of
political threads -- hence my question what are "they" afraid of), you
also deleted ALL attributions.

FWIW

It's not about this guy Tomlinson, whoever he is. It's about you, Bill. YOUR
hypocrisy.

FWIS

Pat wrote:
PS: You not only deleted the context of the above (Tomlinson's
comment that he'd refrain from attacking Mark as long as Mark stayed
out of political threads -- hence my question what are "they" afraid
of), you also deleted ALL attributions.

FWIW

It's not about this guy Tomlinson, whoever he is. It's about you,
Bill. YOUR hypocrisy.

FWIS

You just deleted the context and attribution(s) /again/. (And apparently
don't understand the meaning of hypocrisy, either.)

Let's make this easy, Pat.

PLONK

Pat wrote:
{ATTRIBUTIONS MISSING...AGAIN}

It's like Harry Reid. Cheney criticizes his /positions/ without a
single
personal attack, and Reid says he won't engage in name-calling with
an "attack dog" with a 9% approval rating (all ad hominem and zero
issue). It's just too classic.

Like Cheney using swear words to respond to his critics?

He told Pat Leahy to **** off. So what? (Leahy had publicly trashed him --
again, /personally/ -- and then tried to glad-hand him on the Senate floor.
He's a two-faced creep...AND he leaked classified material years ago...
hence, "Leaky Leahy".)

that's too classic, too. You see, Bill, you like to only give one
side of the story and make the other side look bad by omission. That
won't fly. It just makes you look bad.

I see, Pat. So Harry Reid name-calling Cheney /today/ and saying he
wouldn't engage in name-calling /today/ has something to do with Leaky Leahy
last year or longer ago. I accurately described both sides of /today's/
exchange.

Sorry I won't see your reply. Your angry, insulting tone in another post
led me to plonk you. I doubt I'll regret it one bit.

BS (really)

It's like Harry Reid. Cheney criticizes his /positions/ without a single
personal attack, and Reid says he won't engage in name-calling with an
"attack dog" with a 9% approval rating (all ad hominem and zero issue).

It's just too classic.

Like Cheney using swear words to respond to his critics?

that's too classic, too. You see, Bill, you like to only give one side of
the story and make the other side look bad by omission. That won't fly. It
just makes you look bad.

Pat in TX

still me wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:40:23 -0700, "Bill Sornson"
wrote:


Careful, you may break your arm trying to pat yourself on the back.
Backoff, you're not the hot **** you think you are, nor as informed
you would like to us to think you are.

"Promoting Torture". I'd like to know when Mark /promoted/ torture. It's
exactly like the helm*t threads, where the AHZs accuse pro-lidders of being
for MHLs even though they've expressly stated opposition to them.

I guess since Floglinson hasn't condemned that 12-year-old Taliban /child/
beheading a helpless hostage on camera, that means he's PRO CHOPPING OFF
HEADS. It's just ridiculous.



I hope this is an intentional comedy act just for this thread.
Otherwise you two guys are demonstrating exactly what the OP
complained about.

I don't think its a comedy act, I think they're serious and I think they
are very both sad individuals. But that's what killfiles are for.

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:09:28 -0400, David L. Johnson wrote:

Bill Sornson wrote:
David L. Johnson wrote:
Bill Sornson wrote:

I hope you'll reconsider at some point. I don't agree with your
politics, but I think you've been a voice of reason on matters of
bicycle technology, which this list is purportedly about. The reign
of the yippy dogs seems once step closer with your departure.

Please watch your attributions; I did not write the above.

Nor did I indicate such. Notice the layers of quotes.

David, this ain't the first time he has made unwarrented complaints about
attributions. Bill seems to have trouble with either

a) the usenet quoting convention; or

b) numbers larger than 2.

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 06:33:12 -0700, Mark Hickey
wrote:


So, it's with absolute joy and anticipation that I bid you all a fond
farewell. I've got the same kind of feeling that you get when you're
finishing up a tedious task before walking out the door on a long
vacation. I'm psyched. For this, I can only thank JT for doing his
part to bring this long, glorious waste of time to an end.

Happy trails,

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

Mark,

I was reading the thread in rbm and it quickly degenerated into
political attacks. I don't blame you for leaving, but you will be
missed. I always regarded you as an authority on the industry and your
remarks about running a shop are priceless.

I used to contribute more to the group also, but stopped when it
became so political. I prefer to keep those views to myself since
there seems to be so much polarization going on in the country in
recent years.

Larry