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Steel frames and le Tour
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:21:47 -0700 (PDT), Scott wrote: The odds for any given rider using a steel frame is not 1 in 10 or 1 in 100 or whatever. It's 50/50. Is this a joke? It's mistaken. Probability and odds are not the same. They are different expressions. Odds = o Probably = p o = p/(1-p) P = o/(1+o) If the odds are 4:1 that Cadel Evans will win the Tour de France, then the probability is 80%. |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:25:57 +0200, Davey Crockett
wrote: Jay Beattie a écrit profondement: | Steel was used in Paris-Roubaix in 2006. See http://tinyurl.com/z4w5y | Note the cyclocross-like bike further down the page with conventional | 32 spoke wheels, tied and soldered. Jobst would give them an ear | full! -- Jay Beattie. Tied and soldered. That's a Blast from the Past. Dear Davey, Paris-Roubaix 2008 tying-and-soldering: http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2008...cott_Addict_RD http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2008...erges_cassette 2007 carbon-spoke tying-and- And-- Er, what the hell? http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/20...on07/_DSC3048U Cheers, Carl Fogel |
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, Scott wrote: On Jul 10, 1:34*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:33:37 -0700 (PDT), Scott wrote: The whole point of the discussion hinges on the fact that we're talking about someone using a non-standard team frame DISGUISED to look as much like the team issue bike as possible. *Unless you're talking about a top pro, where would you ever see info on what bike they're riding? I've seen disguised bikes at races I've been at in person. These were pro bikes made by another maker of another material. * It's hard, but in some cases it's possible to spot disguised bikes in photos. Especially if we're talking about frame materials with significantly different tube sizes. *For high-tech steel the main tubes are way thinner than carbon and aluminum - easy to see in quality photos. The Tour of France is one of the most followed and photographed races in the world. There is zero evidence of a steel frame in that race other than someone saying "Well, it's possible." Don't make me play the 'dumbass' card on you! No one ever said there was any evidence of a steel frame being ridden in the Tour. You have insisted on trying to argue against a point that no one has tried to make. Please Scott, this discussion is in rbr as well as rbt, so let me clarify something for you: You're a big dumbass riding an astoundingly dumb argument into the barriers, head down like Abdoujaparov. It is beyond reasonable doubt that the TdF will not be ridden on steel bikes this year: none of the teams are using steel bikes, the neutral Mavic-supplied Cannondale bikes are not steel, and there is no plausible reason why a rider would choose a steel bike for a personal ride even if they could, and there's no evidence of anyone actually using a steel bike in any case. Kindest regards, -- Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/ "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls." "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them." |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:28:02 -0700 (PDT), Scott
wrote: Let's use poker as an example, since many of us have either played the game or have seen it played on TV. I haven't played much, but sure would love to play it with you. |
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:02:14 GMT, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:05:15 -0600, wrote: His notion that aluminum would be less surprising is puzzling, since the huge tubes would tend to make the aluminum frame noticeable at a distance. Huger than carbon fiber? You seem out of touch regarding racing bikes. Dear John, You're right and I was wrong. (See how easy that was?) Cycling News thinks that there are a still few aluminum bikes in the 2008 TDF: "Frame : Carbon fibre frames are the choice for most, although a few riders in the peloton still prefer the added stiffness that a top-quality aluminum frame provides." http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2008...tour08_lexicon Google doesn't show any previous match for that snippet, so it doesn't seem to be some leftover definition recycled from earlier years. Cheers, Carl Fogel |
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On Jul 10, 3:06*pm, Davey Crockett wrote:
a écrit profondement: | On Jul 10, 10:36 pm, " | wrote: | Consider the question of whether RBR Chief Statistician | Robert Chung just threw up in his mouth a little. *There | are only two possible outcomes, but the odds I would | place on the two outcomes are not 50/50. | | Ben | Odds aren't even. *That's why they call them odds. | | That's odd. | | -ilan Flip a coin - there are two outcomes - a head or a tail Therefore the chances are even. And even if one gets three heads and one tail in say four tosses, continually tossing the coin until the number *ot trials/tests approaches infinity, the outcomes will close towards 50/50 Only if it's a fair coin, which makes the definition circular. Try flipping a "coin" made from a hemisphere, or a slug made by gluing two discs of heavy and light metal together, or even a nickel and a quarter stuck together, and you'll quickly find that though there are two outcomes, the chances are not even. Probability, like lotteries, is a tax on dumbasses. Ben |
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Tosspot wrote: Donald Munro wrote: wrote: Dear RJ, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: Dear Carl. All these dears. This place is beginning to sound like a gay tea party. Carbon or china teacups? With all the Fattie Masters in here, it would have to be carbon, with ceramic saucers. -- tanx, Howard The bloody pubs are bloody dull The bloody clubs are bloody full Of bloody girls and bloody guys With bloody murder in their eyes remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok? |
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