The British cities where it is now faster to CYCLE than drive

On 03/04/2019 22:18, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2019 15:51:41 GMT, JNugent wrote:

On 17/02/2019 20:52, wrote:
QUOTE:
It's now faster to cycle than drive in some city centres as
Britain’s roads become increasingly gridlocked, a report has found.

London and Edinburgh are the two most congested cities in the UK,
with drivers clocking up average speeds of only 7mph during the final
mile of their journeys, the global traffic audit has revealed.

It concluded that it has become ‘faster to ride a bike than drive
or take the bus’ for millions of motorists in Britain.

It found that last year drivers in six UK cities – London,
Edinburgh, Bristol, Liverpool, Manchester and Sheffield – crawled
along at an average speed of 10mph or less in the last mile of their
journey.

The average cyclist in cities travels at 9.6mph, according to traffic
analysts Inrix, which conducted the study.

ENDS.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tish-cities-fa
ster-cycle-drive.html

I have corrected the thread title for you and for the Daily Mail. As
written. it was the usual nonsense.

I am confident that any competent driver in an ordinary car, behaving
completely lawfully, could easily beat you or any other cyclist (on a
bicycle) in a race - at any time of day or night - from one end of the
Liverpool Ring Road* to the other.


[* Approximately 11.3 miles, Millers Bridge / Balliol Road / Breeze
Hill / Queens Drive / Menlove Avenue / Hillfoot Road / Speke Hall
Road, northerly termination at Regent Road, southerly at junction with
A561 Speke Boulevard. Almost all dual carriageway, almost all 40 mph
limit.]

This appears to be some kind of race.

I bet you worked that out from the bit where I said "...any competent
driver in an ordinary car ... could easily beat you or any other cyclist
(on a bicycle) in a race...".

But on dual carriageways.

Quite normal.

I can't
see it as representative of the madness that is the daily commute into a
city centre.

You don't know anything about Liverpool and its dual-carriageway radial
routes, then?

Or about the fact that lots of peoples' commuting journeys take them
aong non-radial routes (and even along ring road motorways)?

xpost added.

Why?

On 03/04/2019 22:30, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 10:16:16 PM UTC+1, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:

It might have become "normal" for some people to commute daft distances;
that's another part of the problem.

When I worked at BP I had the longest commute in our lab at 12 miles and was the only one who cycled in. One evening, I got a lift home and it took me 15 minutes longer than my bike ride home and I was told by my driver that this was "normal".

Normal for Hull?

My bike ride took 25-35 minutes depending on the wind (never traffic) and by car, it could be over an hour in the evening.

"Move somewhere less pikey".

[collective (c) uk.politics.misc. circa 2000.]

On 04/04/2019 01:07, Simon Jester wrote:
On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 10:30:57 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 10:16:16 PM UTC+1, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:

It might have become "normal" for some people to commute daft distances;
that's another part of the problem.

When I worked at BP I had the longest commute in our lab at 12 miles and was the only one who cycled in. One evening, I got a lift home and it took me 15 minutes longer than my bike ride home and I was told by my driver that this was "normal".

My bike ride took 25-35 minutes depending on the wind (never traffic) and by car, it could be over an hour in the evening.

Some people think transport is spelled C-A-R.

For the majority, "preferred transport" is indeed spelled as you
suggest. Everything else is a distress purchase or one which is not
chosen but isinstead forced on the traveller by circumstance or peevish
officialdom.

At the Uni we have a sports centre and some of my colleagues and myself use the facilities.
The difference is I walk the 5 mins to the gym whilst my colleagues spend 10 mins driving + finding a parking space and then walking to the gym.
Some people are either mentally lazy or they think 'successful' people use cars, or chisels, or little dogs.

I remember a local councillor repeatedly remarking that a certain local
gym always had lots of cars parked as close as possible to it, which he
claimed was ironic, given that users of the gymn were presumably trying
to get and stay fit and that this would have been slightly easier if
each session was toppoed and tailed by a walk from the bnearest public
car-park. He obviously thught that his observation was in some way funny.

The area was (and still is) about as pikey as they come and anyone
parking there - for any purpose at all -is still well-advised to be as
near to their vehicle as possible so that a collective watch for theft
and vandalism can be maintained. Being a ten minute walk away is not
advisable.

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 1:28:50 AM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:


I remember a local councillor repeatedly remarking that a certain local
gym always had lots of cars parked as close as possible to it, which he
claimed was ironic, given that users of the gymn were presumably trying
to get and stay fit and that this would have been slightly easier if
each session was toppoed and tailed by a walk from the bnearest public
car-park. He obviously thught that his observation was in some way funny.


You need to wait at least 30 mins between ECT and using a computer.

On 04/04/2019 01:07, Simon Jester wrote:

Some people think transport is spelled C-A-R. At the Uni we have a
sports centre and some of my colleagues and myself use the
facilities. The difference is I walk the 5 mins to the gym whilst my
colleagues spend 10 mins driving + finding a parking space and then
walking to the gym. Some people are either mentally lazy or they
think 'successful' people use cars, or chisels, or little dogs.

There is an early evening game show on at the moment (House of Games). A
question converned how far people walk in a year. My instant estimate
was based on the fact that anything further than the fridge involves
getting in a car. The official figure is half a mile a day. I was pretty
close.

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 1:07:20 AM UTC+1, Simon Jester wrote:
On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 10:30:57 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 10:16:16 PM UTC+1, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:

It might have become "normal" for some people to commute daft distances;
that's another part of the problem.

When I worked at BP I had the longest commute in our lab at 12 miles and was the only one who cycled in. One evening, I got a lift home and it took me 15 minutes longer than my bike ride home and I was told by my driver that this was "normal".

My bike ride took 25-35 minutes depending on the wind (never traffic) and by car, it could be over an hour in the evening.

Some people think transport is spelled C-A-R.
At the Uni we have a sports centre and some of my colleagues and myself use the facilities.
The difference is I walk the 5 mins to the gym whilst my colleagues spend 10 mins driving + finding a parking space and then walking to the gym.
Some people are either mentally lazy or they think 'successful' people use cars, or chisels, or little dogs.

Of course, I never needed a gym as I got over an hour of high intensity aerobic exercise every day. Some weeks I would ride around over 200 miles as I was a cycling club rider as well.

Now I am retired, those years have meant that my body at age 60 is still in a decent state.

wrote:
On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 1:07:20 AM UTC+1, Simon Jester wrote:
On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 10:30:57 PM UTC+1,
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 10:16:16 PM UTC+1, Kerr-Mudd,John
wrote:

It might have become "normal" for some people to commute daft
distances; that's another part of the problem.

When I worked at BP I had the longest commute in our lab at 12
miles and was the only one who cycled in. One evening, I got a lift
home and it took me 15 minutes longer than my bike ride home and I
was told by my driver that this was "normal".

My bike ride took 25-35 minutes depending on the wind (never
traffic) and by car, it could be over an hour in the evening.

Some people think transport is spelled C-A-R.
At the Uni we have a sports centre and some of my colleagues and
myself use the facilities.
The difference is I walk the 5 mins to the gym whilst my colleagues
spend 10 mins driving + finding a parking space and then walking to
the gym. Some people are either mentally lazy or they think
'successful' people use cars, or chisels, or little dogs.

Of course, I never needed a gym as I got over an hour of high
intensity aerobic exercise every day. Some weeks I would ride around
over 200 miles as I was a cycling club rider as well.

Now I am retired, those years have meant that my body at age 60 is
still in a decent state.

Leg?

JNugent wrote:
On 03/04/2019 22:18, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2019 15:51:41 GMT, JNugent wrote:

On 17/02/2019 20:52, wrote:
QUOTE:
It's now faster to cycle than drive in some city centres as
Britainâ?Ts roads become increasingly gridlocked, a report has
found. London and Edinburgh are the two most congested cities in the
UK,
with drivers clocking up average speeds of only 7mph during the
final mile of their journeys, the global traffic audit has
revealed. It concluded that it has become â?~faster to ride a bike than
drive
or take the busâ?T for millions of motorists in Britain.

It found that last year drivers in six UK cities â?" London,
Edinburgh, Bristol, Liverpool, Manchester and Sheffield â?" crawled
along at an average speed of 10mph or less in the last mile of
their journey.

The average cyclist in cities travels at 9.6mph, according to
traffic analysts Inrix, which conducted the study.

ENDS.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tish-cities-fa
ster-cycle-drive.html

I have corrected the thread title for you and for the Daily Mail. As
written. it was the usual nonsense.

I am confident that any competent driver in an ordinary car,
behaving completely lawfully, could easily beat you or any other
cyclist (on a bicycle) in a race - at any time of day or night -
from one end of the Liverpool Ring Road* to the other.


[* Approximately 11.3 miles, Millers Bridge / Balliol Road / Breeze
Hill / Queens Drive / Menlove Avenue / Hillfoot Road / Speke Hall
Road, northerly termination at Regent Road, southerly at junction
with A561 Speke Boulevard. Almost all dual carriageway, almost all
40 mph limit.]

This appears to be some kind of race.

I bet you worked that out from the bit where I said "...any competent
driver in an ordinary car ... could easily beat you or any other
cyclist (on a bicycle) in a race...".

But on dual carriageways.

Quite normal.

I can't
see it as representative of the madness that is the daily commute
into a city centre.

You don't know anything about Liverpool and its dual-carriageway
radial routes, then?

Or about the fact that lots of peoples' commuting journeys take them
aong non-radial routes (and even along ring road motorways)?

xpost added.

Why?

He has this thing about xposts.
Sad little man.

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 1:12:36 AM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:

You don't know anything about Liverpool and its dual-carriageway radial
routes, then?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q

On 17/02/2019 20:52, wrote:
QUOTE:
It's now faster to cycle than drive in some city centres as Britain’s roads become increasingly gridlocked, a report has found.

London and Edinburgh are the two most congested cities in the UK, with drivers clocking up average speeds of only 7mph during the final mile of their journeys, the global traffic audit has revealed.

It concluded that it has become ‘faster to ride a bike than drive or take the bus’ for millions of motorists in Britain.

It found that last year drivers in six UK cities – London, Edinburgh, Bristol, Liverpool, Manchester and Sheffield – crawled along at an average speed of 10mph or less in the last mile of their journey.

The average cyclist in cities travels at 9.6mph, according to traffic analysts Inrix, which conducted the study.

ENDS.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cle-drive.html


Old news. Way behind the times.

In 1990's I used to work at the local college in Burton on Trent town
center. It was 4 miles from my house. Guy I worked with gave me a 1970 5
speed "racer", well it had dropped bars and suicide levers. (Raleigh Rapier)

Took me the same time by bike or Celica (only went as fast as the car in
front). The only decider was, "is it raining?".

And this was after they had opened the 2nd bridge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Pet...ton_upon_Trent
Was even worse before that but I had a motorcycle so wouldn't know.