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Does anyone know good thorn-resistant tubes?
On Wednesday, 6 May 2020 17:31:50 UTC-4, Radey Shouman wrote:
Sir Ridesalot writes: On Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:49:22 UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/6/2020 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-06 10:26, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/6/2020 12:55 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-03 15:28, Roger Merriman wrote: Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-02 19:10, sms wrote: On 4/30/2020 3:03 PM, Joerg wrote: Just had a Kenda thorn-resistant tube fail. It lost pressure suddenly and overnight without being ridden the day before. It started to split along a factory seam. This seems to happen ever since they started making them less than the usual 3mm thick towards the rim. Does anyone know who still makes the real stuff, 3mm thick all around? Or maybe another good version thorn-resistant tube? I am running 700c 25mm tires with an additional tire liner in there. Might go to 28mm in back some day. The only time I ever lost 3mm all-around tubes was upon violent tire blow-outs (sidewall failure). Your problem is not with the tubes, it's with the tires. What you want is Schwalbe Marathon Plus HS 440 11100766.01 700C x 25. https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...0c-tire-hs-440 Fifty bucks a tire? No! I bet those don't last much past 2000mi either and then that's too much money. If they'd last 5000mi it would be ok. Marathons be they plus or not are famously durable, being touring tyres I changed out the Marathon plus Touring at 8K they had just about worn in, ie barely detectable wear. Interesting, thanks. Maybe I should try them. If they last 5000mi or more they'd be worth the high price. I've never had any tire last that long but maybe they found the magic rubber compound. I swapped them out since I noticed that the ride was very harsh and that nothing seem to penetrate the tread plenty of embedded shards etc, Thus far the Big Apples have done 4K with little sign of wear I’d expect to at least double that. In fact, the blowouts were mostly with expensive brand name tires, Continental Gatorskin. Never had one with Vee Rubber or Vittoria, so far. I get between 1200mi and 2000mi out of these depending on where I ride. Mostly less than 1500mi but at about $15 a pop that's ok. ... But beware that the protection layer adds some height to the tire and it may not fit on all road bicycles with caliper brakes. Weight is the least of my concerns or no concern at all. I just want stuff not to fail during rides. So all my bikes have tire liners plus thorn-resistant tubes. The MTB has a regular tube around the tire liner in addition. Rides like a tank, and no flats. On the commute bike it’s not weight after all I’m lugging kit back and fore, but it’s a more ride quality, which is twofold 1st much less harsh ride particularly if loaded, 2nd bike is much more fun, on days can even if fully loaded have some fun. Riding comfort and weight are the least of my concerns. I just want to get there in time, meaning without a flat, and get a good number of miles per dollar. I've never been a spendthrift, but your obsession with pennies-per-mile bike costs astounds me. I'm sympathetic to people who are terribly poor, especially through no fault of their own. But you don't seem to be one of them. I am not. I simply do not like to waste money. Or to put it another way, the savings from my last tire order went to the local Food Bank. Those guys need that money much more urgently right now than the shareholders of some tire manufacturer. Coincidentally, we made a pretty large donation to our local food bank a couple weeks ago. Also to a couple other organizations that are in need. But I don't mind buying tires. Maybe a month ago, I needed to replace some handlebar tape. I hadn't remembered that the price of that stuff had gotten up to $20. To me, that does seem a bit exorbitant. But I paid it without complaint, instead of wrapping the bars using old inner tubes. -- - Frank Krygowski I find that Renfrew brand hockey tape works really well as a handlebar tape and looks a lot like the old school cloth tapes. Are different brands of hockey tape very different? I once tried using hockey tape on handlebars and found it was poor substitute for actual cotton bar tape. Maybe I bought the ghetto brand, can't remember what it was. Yes, I think different brands had different qualities. the Renfrew brand I use is made in Renfrew, Ontario, Canada and is pretty thin and the glue doesn't leak to the outside on hot humid days. My fingers are short which is why I like a cloth tape. The Renfrew brand hockey tape is a heck of a lot less expensive than cloth tape and one roll or the Renfrew hocey tape will do at least two drop handlebars. Oh and I can get it from the store just a few blocks from me. It also comes in a few colours other than black. Cheers |
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OK, I admit: [ Does anyone know good thorn-resistant tubes?]
On 5/6/2020 9:44 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/6/2020 7:27 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 5/6/2020 4:44 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: Notes on how the universe works: I mentioned above that I get very few flat tires. Well. My wife and I just got back from a grocery run. I was pretty heavily laden. It was a bit of a challenge to fit everything in my panniers, on top of my rear rack, etc. Halfway home I noticed my rear tire was low. I was able to pump it up once and make it the rest of the way without changing the tube, so that's at least some luck. And I don't know yet if it's a bit of glass, or maybe a pinch flat due partly to the load. But the lesson remains: Don't taunt the puncture gods! There's that. And goes both ways. The Europeans were not much bothered by yaws, but the New World variant remains troublesome to this day Andrew, I think you attached that to the wrong thread. Whoops, you're right. Sorry. I also read 1491 and enjoyed it immensely. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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OK, I admit: [ Does anyone know good thorn-resistant tubes?]
AMuzi writes:
On 5/6/2020 9:44 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/6/2020 7:27 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 5/6/2020 4:44 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: Notes on how the universe works: I mentioned above that I get very few flat tires. Well. My wife and I just got back from a grocery run. I was pretty heavily laden. It was a bit of a challenge to fit everything in my panniers, on top of my rear rack, etc. Halfway home I noticed my rear tire was low. I was able to pump it up once and make it the rest of the way without changing the tube, so that's at least some luck. And I don't know yet if it's a bit of glass, or maybe a pinch flat due partly to the load. But the lesson remains: Don't taunt the puncture gods! There's that. And goes both ways. The Europeans were not much bothered by yaws, but the New World variant remains troublesome to this day Andrew, I think you attached that to the wrong thread. Whoops, you're right. Sorry. I also read 1491 and enjoyed it immensely. One of these days I mean to get back to St Louis and see the remains of Cahokia. |
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OK, I admit: [ Does anyone know good thorn-resistant tubes?]
On 5/7/2020 9:01 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
AMuzi writes: On 5/6/2020 9:44 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/6/2020 7:27 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 5/6/2020 4:44 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: Notes on how the universe works: I mentioned above that I get very few flat tires. Well. My wife and I just got back from a grocery run. I was pretty heavily laden. It was a bit of a challenge to fit everything in my panniers, on top of my rear rack, etc. Halfway home I noticed my rear tire was low. I was able to pump it up once and make it the rest of the way without changing the tube, so that's at least some luck. And I don't know yet if it's a bit of glass, or maybe a pinch flat due partly to the load. But the lesson remains: Don't taunt the puncture gods! There's that. And goes both ways. The Europeans were not much bothered by yaws, but the New World variant remains troublesome to this day Andrew, I think you attached that to the wrong thread. Whoops, you're right. Sorry. I also read 1491 and enjoyed it immensely. One of these days I mean to get back to St Louis and see the remains of Cahokia. You can stop in Wisconsin to see the pyramids: https://www.milwaukeemag.com/unsolve...ids-rock-lake/ http://www.ancientpages.com/2018/08/...-of-wisconsin/ bring your snorkel. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Does anyone know good thorn-resistant tubes?
Sir Ridesalot writes:
On Wednesday, 6 May 2020 17:31:50 UTC-4, Radey Shouman wrote: Sir Ridesalot writes: On Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:49:22 UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/6/2020 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-06 10:26, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/6/2020 12:55 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-03 15:28, Roger Merriman wrote: Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-02 19:10, sms wrote: On 4/30/2020 3:03 PM, Joerg wrote: Just had a Kenda thorn-resistant tube fail. It lost pressure suddenly and overnight without being ridden the day before. It started to split along a factory seam. This seems to happen ever since they started making them less than the usual 3mm thick towards the rim. Does anyone know who still makes the real stuff, 3mm thick all around? Or maybe another good version thorn-resistant tube? I am running 700c 25mm tires with an additional tire liner in there. Might go to 28mm in back some day. The only time I ever lost 3mm all-around tubes was upon violent tire blow-outs (sidewall failure). Your problem is not with the tubes, it's with the tires. What you want is Schwalbe Marathon Plus HS 440 11100766.01 700C x 25. https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...0c-tire-hs-440 Fifty bucks a tire? No! I bet those don't last much past 2000mi either and then that's too much money. If they'd last 5000mi it would be ok. Marathons be they plus or not are famously durable, being touring tyres I changed out the Marathon plus Touring at 8K they had just about worn in, ie barely detectable wear. Interesting, thanks. Maybe I should try them. If they last 5000mi or more they'd be worth the high price. I've never had any tire last that long but maybe they found the magic rubber compound. I swapped them out since I noticed that the ride was very harsh and that nothing seem to penetrate the tread plenty of embedded shards etc, Thus far the Big Apples have done 4K with little sign of wear I’d expect to at least double that. In fact, the blowouts were mostly with expensive brand name tires, Continental Gatorskin. Never had one with Vee Rubber or Vittoria, so far. I get between 1200mi and 2000mi out of these depending on where I ride. Mostly less than 1500mi but at about $15 a pop that's ok. ... But beware that the protection layer adds some height to the tire and it may not fit on all road bicycles with caliper brakes. Weight is the least of my concerns or no concern at all. I just want stuff not to fail during rides. So all my bikes have tire liners plus thorn-resistant tubes. The MTB has a regular tube around the tire liner in addition. Rides like a tank, and no flats. On the commute bike it’s not weight after all I’m lugging kit back and fore, but it’s a more ride quality, which is twofold 1st much less harsh ride particularly if loaded, 2nd bike is much more fun, on days can even if fully loaded have some fun. Riding comfort and weight are the least of my concerns. I just want to get there in time, meaning without a flat, and get a good number of miles per dollar. I've never been a spendthrift, but your obsession with pennies-per-mile bike costs astounds me. I'm sympathetic to people who are terribly poor, especially through no fault of their own. But you don't seem to be one of them. I am not. I simply do not like to waste money. Or to put it another way, the savings from my last tire order went to the local Food Bank. Those guys need that money much more urgently right now than the shareholders of some tire manufacturer. Coincidentally, we made a pretty large donation to our local food bank a couple weeks ago. Also to a couple other organizations that are in need. But I don't mind buying tires. Maybe a month ago, I needed to replace some handlebar tape. I hadn't remembered that the price of that stuff had gotten up to $20. To me, that does seem a bit exorbitant. But I paid it without complaint, instead of wrapping the bars using old inner tubes. -- - Frank Krygowski I find that Renfrew brand hockey tape works really well as a handlebar tape and looks a lot like the old school cloth tapes. Are different brands of hockey tape very different? I once tried using hockey tape on handlebars and found it was poor substitute for actual cotton bar tape. Maybe I bought the ghetto brand, can't remember what it was. Yes, I think different brands had different qualities. the Renfrew brand I use is made in Renfrew, Ontario, Canada and is pretty thin and the glue doesn't leak to the outside on hot humid days. My fingers are short which is why I like a cloth tape. The Renfrew brand hockey tape is a heck of a lot less expensive than cloth tape and one roll or the Renfrew hocey tape will do at least two drop handlebars. Oh and I can get it from the store just a few blocks from me. It also comes in a few colours other than black. Thanks, and cheers. I'll look for it when the shops are open again. |
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On 5/7/2020 10:07 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/7/2020 9:01 AM, Radey Shouman wrote: AMuzi writes: On 5/6/2020 9:44 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/6/2020 7:27 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 5/6/2020 4:44 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: Notes on how the universe works: I mentioned above that I get very few flat tires. Well. My wife and I just got back from a grocery run. I was pretty heavily laden. It was a bit of a challenge to fit everything in my panniers, on top of my rear rack, etc. Halfway home I noticed my rear tire was low. I was able to pump it up once and make it the rest of the way without changing the tube, so that's at least some luck. And I don't know yet if it's a bit of glass, or maybe a pinch flat due partly to the load. But the lesson remains: Don't taunt the puncture gods! There's that.Â* And goes both ways. The Europeans were not much bothered by yaws, but the New World variant remains troublesome to this day Andrew, I think you attached that to the wrong thread. Whoops, you're right. Sorry. I also read 1491 and enjoyed it immensely. One of these days I mean to get back to St Louis and see the remains of Cahokia. You can stop in Wisconsin to see the pyramids: https://www.milwaukeemag.com/unsolve...ids-rock-lake/ http://www.ancientpages.com/2018/08/...-of-wisconsin/ bring your snorkel. We've visited Ohio's Great Serpent Mound, and the Indian mounds and earthworks at Marietta, now converted to other uses. Also Northwest Georgia's Etowah Indian Mounds. And there are many, many more. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Does anyone know good thorn-resistant tubes?
On Thursday, 7 May 2020 10:09:59 UTC-4, Radey Shouman wrote:
Sir Ridesalot writes: On Wednesday, 6 May 2020 17:31:50 UTC-4, Radey Shouman wrote: Sir Ridesalot writes: On Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:49:22 UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/6/2020 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-06 10:26, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/6/2020 12:55 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-03 15:28, Roger Merriman wrote: Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-02 19:10, sms wrote: On 4/30/2020 3:03 PM, Joerg wrote: Just had a Kenda thorn-resistant tube fail. It lost pressure suddenly and overnight without being ridden the day before. It started to split along a factory seam. This seems to happen ever since they started making them less than the usual 3mm thick towards the rim. Does anyone know who still makes the real stuff, 3mm thick all around? Or maybe another good version thorn-resistant tube? I am running 700c 25mm tires with an additional tire liner in there. Might go to 28mm in back some day. The only time I ever lost 3mm all-around tubes was upon violent tire blow-outs (sidewall failure). Your problem is not with the tubes, it's with the tires. What you want is Schwalbe Marathon Plus HS 440 11100766.01 700C x 25. https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...0c-tire-hs-440 Fifty bucks a tire? No! I bet those don't last much past 2000mi either and then that's too much money. If they'd last 5000mi it would be ok. Marathons be they plus or not are famously durable, being touring tyres I changed out the Marathon plus Touring at 8K they had just about worn in, ie barely detectable wear. Interesting, thanks. Maybe I should try them. If they last 5000mi or more they'd be worth the high price. I've never had any tire last that long but maybe they found the magic rubber compound. I swapped them out since I noticed that the ride was very harsh and that nothing seem to penetrate the tread plenty of embedded shards etc, Thus far the Big Apples have done 4K with little sign of wear I’d expect to at least double that. In fact, the blowouts were mostly with expensive brand name tires, Continental Gatorskin. Never had one with Vee Rubber or Vittoria, so far. I get between 1200mi and 2000mi out of these depending on where I ride. Mostly less than 1500mi but at about $15 a pop that's ok. ... But beware that the protection layer adds some height to the tire and it may not fit on all road bicycles with caliper brakes. Weight is the least of my concerns or no concern at all. I just want stuff not to fail during rides. So all my bikes have tire liners plus thorn-resistant tubes. The MTB has a regular tube around the tire liner in addition. Rides like a tank, and no flats. On the commute bike it’s not weight after all I’m lugging kit back and fore, but it’s a more ride quality, which is twofold 1st much less harsh ride particularly if loaded, 2nd bike is much more fun, on days can even if fully loaded have some fun. Riding comfort and weight are the least of my concerns. I just want to get there in time, meaning without a flat, and get a good number of miles per dollar. I've never been a spendthrift, but your obsession with pennies-per-mile bike costs astounds me. I'm sympathetic to people who are terribly poor, especially through no fault of their own. But you don't seem to be one of them. I am not. I simply do not like to waste money. Or to put it another way, the savings from my last tire order went to the local Food Bank. Those guys need that money much more urgently right now than the shareholders of some tire manufacturer. Coincidentally, we made a pretty large donation to our local food bank a couple weeks ago. Also to a couple other organizations that are in need. But I don't mind buying tires. Maybe a month ago, I needed to replace some handlebar tape. I hadn't remembered that the price of that stuff had gotten up to $20. To me, that does seem a bit exorbitant. But I paid it without complaint, instead of wrapping the bars using old inner tubes. -- - Frank Krygowski I find that Renfrew brand hockey tape works really well as a handlebar tape and looks a lot like the old school cloth tapes. Are different brands of hockey tape very different? I once tried using hockey tape on handlebars and found it was poor substitute for actual cotton bar tape. Maybe I bought the ghetto brand, can't remember what it was. Yes, I think different brands had different qualities. the Renfrew brand I use is made in Renfrew, Ontario, Canada and is pretty thin and the glue doesn't leak to the outside on hot humid days. My fingers are short which is why I like a cloth tape. The Renfrew brand hockey tape is a heck of a lot less expensive than cloth tape and one roll or the Renfrew hocey tape will do at least two drop handlebars. Oh and I can get it from the store just a few blocks from me. It also comes in a few colours other than black. Thanks, and cheers. I'll look for it when the shops are open again. If you email me your address I'll send you a roll of it. Cheers |
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On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 12:24:40 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2020-04-30 21:24, wrote: On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 3:03:19 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: Just had a Kenda thorn-resistant tube fail. It lost pressure suddenly and overnight without being ridden the day before. It started to split along a factory seam. This seems to happen ever since they started making them less than the usual 3mm thick towards the rim. Does anyone know who still makes the real stuff, 3mm thick all around? Or maybe another good version thorn-resistant tube? I am running 700c 25mm tires with an additional tire liner in there. Might go to 28mm in back some day. The only time I ever lost 3mm all-around tubes was upon violent tire blow-outs (sidewall failure). -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Joerg, you sure must be one hell of a rider in terrible conditions. Not really. I use my bicycles not much differently than my car. "Pavement ends" is not a reason for me to give up and turn around. On the contrary: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/23...g?v=1587241131 Today I had a large cut in my tubeless tire and that was the last straw. It is just too messy to use and fix out on the roads. Back to tubes and clinchers. I think that's a wise decision. It you'd add a tire liner that's even better. Two of us three riders yesterday have liners, one doesn't. Guess who got a goat's head flat ... -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I talked to a friend that does a lot of your type of riding and he said that you can buy tubes that have removable presta valves in them and you can shoot Orange or Stan's Racing sealant into them and pretty much end flat tires. The sealant in a tube I’ve used a few times over the years, I’ve always given up since they only seal very small holes, I’ve always found they puncture quite easily, make a right mess and not seal! Tubeless you can seal with those kits roadside apparently, with both valves will clog if one doesn’t clean or take care. I found that switching to mildly less racy tyres on the gravel bike solved stopped the bike being a puncture magnet, and feels just as fast/lively etc. Roger Merriman |
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On 2020-05-10 08:39, Roger Merriman wrote:
wrote: On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 12:24:40 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2020-04-30 21:24, wrote: On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 3:03:19 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: Just had a Kenda thorn-resistant tube fail. It lost pressure suddenly and overnight without being ridden the day before. It started to split along a factory seam. This seems to happen ever since they started making them less than the usual 3mm thick towards the rim. Does anyone know who still makes the real stuff, 3mm thick all around? Or maybe another good version thorn-resistant tube? I am running 700c 25mm tires with an additional tire liner in there. Might go to 28mm in back some day. The only time I ever lost 3mm all-around tubes was upon violent tire blow-outs (sidewall failure). -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Joerg, you sure must be one hell of a rider in terrible conditions. Not really. I use my bicycles not much differently than my car. "Pavement ends" is not a reason for me to give up and turn around. On the contrary: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/23...g?v=1587241131 Today I had a large cut in my tubeless tire and that was the last straw. It is just too messy to use and fix out on the roads. Back to tubes and clinchers. I think that's a wise decision. It you'd add a tire liner that's even better. Two of us three riders yesterday have liners, one doesn't. Guess who got a goat's head flat ... -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I talked to a friend that does a lot of your type of riding and he said that you can buy tubes that have removable presta valves in them and you can shoot Orange or Stan's Racing sealant into them and pretty much end flat tires. The sealant in a tube I’ve used a few times over the years, I’ve always given up since they only seal very small holes, I’ve always found they puncture quite easily, make a right mess and not seal! Yup. I used the slime stuff years ago. One fine day I had slow leaks and barely got home. Next morning I found a mess in the garage under the MTB. Same with other riders. No more of that stuff. Tubeless you can seal with those kits roadside apparently, with both valves will clog if one doesn’t clean or take care. I found that switching to mildly less racy tyres on the gravel bike solved stopped the bike being a puncture magnet, and feels just as fast/lively etc. For me it's "thicker is better". To hell with weight-weenie concerns. Tire surface, tire liner, 3-4mm wall thickness in the tube. That requires a hell of a goat's head to punch through. On the MTB there is another tube around the tire liner, gives extra protection and prevents chafing. Of course, my dream would be some stuff I could fill the tire with, no more air. However, that would envirnmentally not be too good. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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