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On Apr 20, 5:39*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
You want a doomsday scenario And here it is: http://tech.msn.com/guides/green/art...mentid=6815394 |
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"Fabrizio Mazzoleni" wrote in message
... On Apr 20, 5:39 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote: You want a doomsday scenario And here it is: http://tech.msn.com/guides/green/art...mentid=6815394 I have to hand it to you Fabrizio, at least YOU have a head on your shoulders and realize the real importance of global warming. |
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William Asher wrote:
All I can say is that if you really read this: http://tinyurl.com/kaa55 and make the same claims without providing some evidence to counter what the folks at realclimate say, it doesn't say much about your ability to assimilate information that doesn't conform to your world view (which is the hallmark of conservatism). Again, if you are incapable of assimilating basic historical facts, how can I begin to trust your understanding of physics? http://tinyurl.com/6dwrg2 (LA Times) |
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, Robert Chung wrote: On Apr 18, 6:12 pm, Ryan Cousineau wrote: So why hasn't generalized world economic progress already resulted in prosperity in Bangladesh? Put another way, your example of cleaner cities and higher GDP now than 100 years ago in the developed world could (and should) actually be viewed as an example that a cleaner environment needn't result in a decrease in the standard of living. Which is what many denialists always swear up and down will happen from any form of environmental regulation (I made that last part up, just in case you were wondering). This is an excellent question with a follow-up that does rather put the gears to me. Fortunately, I'm really smart! No, not really, but I do glibly know the answer as to why Bangladesh is the breadbasket-case of the subcontinent. [...Bangladesh suffered from the insanest management of their cash crop that was possible] I sat on this post for a few days until I could get my brains in order, but here's my best shot. That's pretty glib--and pretty flexible: any failure, by definition, is a failure caused by government intervention. Two things: Yes, but Bangladesh managed to use almost every poor economic tactic possible. I suspect we can agree that subsidizing the production of cash crops is not a well thought out plan. I suspect we can agree that state ownership of important national industries rarely ends well. I also think that there consensus among experts has generally ended with avoiding such schemes. The new hotness is Grameen Bank, and well, I'm all down with the Yunus. 1. Market equilibria aren't independent of initial conditions. Think about that for a while. I am dense, and have had too little to drink. I can neither disagree nor determine what initial condition Bangladesh had in 1950 that did not apply to Taipei, Hong Kong, or South Korea. 2. You skipped entirely the latter part of my question. Don't think I didn't notice. Heh. I think that the question of the "cost" of serious environmental cleaning, CO2-wise (or every-other-pollutant-wise, regarding the last 100 years) is that the costs of environmental regulations (or any other initiative) are unknown and nearly unknowable. What we can ask is what could have been (or could be) accomplished for the same price. One might as well ask what the cost of World War 1 was. That said, I think that embarking on an enterprise as expensive as serious global CO2 reductions must at least be seriously priced against two things: 1) the discount rate: http://www.marginalrevolution.com/ma...11/the_stern_r epor.html 2) the other public goods we could purchase for the same price. I think this even before I remember that I live in a country which could seriously use some warming, and which has a lot more cold interior than shallow coastline. -- Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/ "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls." "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them." |
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"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote in
m: "William Asher" wrote in message ... Could you provide a citation from a paper published in the 60's or 70's in a major peer-reviewed journal that explicity stated that the cooling observed in that era was a sign of a coming ice age? You've been provided two studies showing there were none, but if you have some inside information, now would be the time to provide it. Can you provide a peer reviewed paper published in the 60's or 70's the WOULD make such insane statements? Scientsts THEN were scientists. What we have now are people desiring large grants to put together trememdous teams of semi-scientists so that they can pat each other on the back and make HUGE wages. Since I've just left a company doing just that I have a pretty good idea of what's happening. So then you think Jack is wrong too, and that there is no way he could remember there being lots of papers claiming an ice age was coming because there weren't any such papers. Thank you for your support. I'm sorry you had to leave another company. -- Bill Asher |
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On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
I sat on this post for a few days until I could get my brains in order, but here's my best shot. Ugh. You sat on this for a few days and this is the best you could do? I'm afraid that you need some help in getting your brains in order and since this is rbr I ain't going to help you. Instead, I'll point out that my question to you is quite relevant to the argument you're trying to make but have been screwing up so I'll take this opportunity to ask a new but related question: how does the market decide between Pareto optimal alternatives? Please phrase your answer in the form of a question. |
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In article , William Asher
wrote: "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote in m: "William Asher" wrote in message ... Could you provide a citation from a paper published in the 60's or 70's in a major peer-reviewed journal that explicity stated that the cooling observed in that era was a sign of a coming ice age? You've been provided two studies showing there were none, but if you have some inside information, now would be the time to provide it. Can you provide a peer reviewed paper published in the 60's or 70's the WOULD make such insane statements? Scientsts THEN were scientists. What we have now are people desiring large grants to put together trememdous teams of semi-scientists so that they can pat each other on the back and make HUGE wages. Since I've just left a company doing just that I have a pretty good idea of what's happening. So then you think Jack is wrong too, and that there is no way he could remember there being lots of papers claiming an ice age was coming because there weren't any such papers. Thank you for your support. "Thanks for playing!" I'm sorry you had to leave another company. Oh, pretense of sympathy - nice. It's sort of along the lines of saying, "I'm sorry you're such a retard." -- tanx, Howard Whatever happened to Leon Trotsky? He got an icepick That made his ears burn. remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok? |
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William Asher wrote:
Could you provide a citation from a paper published in the 60's or 70's in a major peer-reviewed journal that explicity stated that the cooling observed in that era was a sign of a coming ice age? it. Tom Kunich wrote: Can you provide a peer reviewed paper published in the 60's or 70's the WOULD make such insane statements? Scientsts THEN were scientists. ANSWER THE QUESTION. DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ENGLISH ? **** OR GET OFF THE POT..................... |
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Fabrizio Mazzoleni wrote:
You want a doomsday scenario And here it is: http://tech.msn.com/guides/green/art...mentid=6815394 LIVEDRUNK will need to change its wicked ways. |
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Kyle Legate wrote:
30 years!?!? We have to wait for 30 years for RBR to become inhabitable? William Asher wrote: I'm thinking we all will be long dead from AIDS by then so what does it matter? Only the bots and the cockroaches will remain. |
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