BB technologies.

Seeing as the january sales have presented me with the bargins i don't need
and that i've choosen to take the more you spend the more you save attitude
i'm looking in to a new bottom bracket and crankset.

Raceface turbine cranks, both square taper and ISIS are down to 50 quid
(http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...spx?ModelID=52) .

I've only ever used standard shimano square taper in the past so my
practical knowledge of any splined system is nil, however i've read that
ISIS bottom brackets , due to there oversized spindle taking up more room,
use smaller ball bearings which are prone to loosening, collapse and being
completely ground to dust. How much of a concern do you folks find this, any
experience?
The crank brother sale spiel boasts 2 rows of driveside ball bearings for
there splined bottom brackets; is this standard to all ISIS bottom bracket
and if not does it realistically make these a better choice than one without
(FSA perhaps)?
Lastly, is the ISIS system that much stiffer than all tapered BB's? This one
for example:

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...px?ModelID=676

Thanks for your views.

John Ampleforth wrote:
Seeing as the january sales have presented me with the bargins i don't need
and that i've choosen to take the more you spend the more you save attitude
i'm looking in to a new bottom bracket and crankset.

Raceface turbine cranks, both square taper and ISIS are down to 50 quid
(http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...spx?ModelID=52) .

I've only ever used standard shimano square taper in the past so my
practical knowledge of any splined system is nil, however i've read that
ISIS bottom brackets , due to there oversized spindle taking up more room,
use smaller ball bearings which are prone to loosening, collapse and being
completely ground to dust. How much of a concern do you folks find this, any
experience?
The crank brother sale spiel boasts 2 rows of driveside ball bearings for
there splined bottom brackets; is this standard to all ISIS bottom bracket
and if not does it realistically make these a better choice than one without
(FSA perhaps)?
Lastly, is the ISIS system that much stiffer than all tapered BB's? This one
for example:

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...px?ModelID=676

Everyone has their favorites of course.
But I would ask, 'which problem with your present cranks are we trying
to solve?'
--
Andrew Muzi, who ran errands today on a pair of 1966 Record Pista arms
with dependable install-and-forget square tapers.

www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Feb 4, 12:19 pm, "John Ampleforth" wrote:
Seeing as the january sales have presented me with the bargins i don't need
and that i've choosen to take the more you spend the more you save attitude
i'm looking in to a new bottom bracket and crankset.

Raceface turbine cranks, both square taper and ISIS are down to 50 quid
(http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...spx?ModelID=52) .

I've only ever used standard shimano square taper in the past so my
practical knowledge of any splined system is nil, however i've read that
ISIS bottom brackets , due to there oversized spindle taking up more room,
use smaller ball bearings which are prone to loosening, collapse and being
completely ground to dust. How much of a concern do you folks find this, any
experience?

I've heard nothing but bitching from my mates about ISIS. They come
loose, bearings are utter ****e, and the longevity is extremely short
compared to a square taper cartridge.

I'd stick with square, or if stiffness is an issue, go for Octalink.

On Feb 4, 5:20 pm, A Muzi wrote:
John Ampleforth wrote:
Seeing as the january sales have presented me with the bargins i don't need
and that i've choosen to take the more you spend the more you save attitude
i'm looking in to a new bottom bracket and crankset.

Raceface turbine cranks, both square taper and ISIS are down to 50 quid
(http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...spx?ModelID=52) .

I've only ever used standard shimano square taper in the past so my
practical knowledge of any splined system is nil, however i've read that
ISIS bottom brackets , due to there oversized spindle taking up more room,
use smaller ball bearings which are prone to loosening, collapse and being
completely ground to dust. How much of a concern do you folks find this, any
experience?
The crank brother sale spiel boasts 2 rows of driveside ball bearings for
there splined bottom brackets; is this standard to all ISIS bottom bracket
and if not does it realistically make these a better choice than one without
(FSA perhaps)?
Lastly, is the ISIS system that much stiffer than all tapered BB's? This one
for example:

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...px?ModelID=676

Everyone has their favorites of course.
But I would ask, 'which problem with your present cranks are we trying
to solve?'

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/wdc/212946173.html

"A Muzi" wrote in message
...
John Ampleforth wrote:
Seeing as the january sales have presented me with the bargins i don't
need
and that i've choosen to take the more you spend the more you save
attitude
i'm looking in to a new bottom bracket and crankset.

Raceface turbine cranks, both square taper and ISIS are down to 50 quid
(http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...spx?ModelID=52) .

I've only ever used standard shimano square taper in the past so my
practical knowledge of any splined system is nil, however i've read that
ISIS bottom brackets , due to there oversized spindle taking up more
room,
use smaller ball bearings which are prone to loosening, collapse and
being
completely ground to dust. How much of a concern do you folks find this,
any
experience?
The crank brother sale spiel boasts 2 rows of driveside ball bearings
for
there splined bottom brackets; is this standard to all ISIS bottom
bracket
and if not does it realistically make these a better choice than one
without
(FSA perhaps)?
Lastly, is the ISIS system that much stiffer than all tapered BB's? This
one
for example:

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...px?ModelID=676

Everyone has their favorites of course.
But I would ask, 'which problem with your present cranks are we trying
to solve?'
--
Andrew Muzi, who ran errands today on a pair of 1966 Record Pista arms
with dependable install-and-forget square tapers.

www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

No problem, just wanted to "upgrade". Reasonable enough mind as i'm 200+ lb
rider, and i'm sure this upgrade would give better transfer than my current,
but excellent value for money, deore setup. What would you suggest now?

"landotter" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 4, 12:19 pm, "John Ampleforth" wrote:
Seeing as the january sales have presented me with the bargins i don't
need
and that i've choosen to take the more you spend the more you save
attitude
i'm looking in to a new bottom bracket and crankset.

Raceface turbine cranks, both square taper and ISIS are down to 50 quid
(http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...spx?ModelID=52) .

I've only ever used standard shimano square taper in the past so my
practical knowledge of any splined system is nil, however i've read that
ISIS bottom brackets , due to there oversized spindle taking up more
room,
use smaller ball bearings which are prone to loosening, collapse and
being
completely ground to dust. How much of a concern do you folks find this,
any
experience?

I've heard nothing but bitching from my mates about ISIS. They come
loose, bearings are utter ****e, and the longevity is extremely short
compared to a square taper cartridge.

I'd stick with square, or if stiffness is an issue, go for Octalink.


So octalink doesn't suffer the same problems? the axel/spindle seems as
large as the ISIS and presumably the bearings are of similar size?

John Ampleforth wrote:
Seeing as the january sales have presented me with the bargins i don't need
and that i've choosen to take the more you spend the more you save attitude
i'm looking in to a new bottom bracket and crankset.
Raceface turbine cranks, both square taper and ISIS are down to 50 quid
(http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...spx?ModelID=52) .
I've only ever used standard shimano square taper in the past so my
practical knowledge of any splined system is nil, however i've read that
ISIS bottom brackets , due to there oversized spindle taking up more room,
use smaller ball bearings which are prone to loosening, collapse and being
completely ground to dust. How much of a concern do you folks find this, any
experience?
The crank brother sale spiel boasts 2 rows of driveside ball bearings for
there splined bottom brackets; is this standard to all ISIS bottom bracket
and if not does it realistically make these a better choice than one without
(FSA perhaps)?
Lastly, is the ISIS system that much stiffer than all tapered BB's? This one
for example:
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...px?ModelID=676

A Muzi wrote:
Everyone has their favorites of course.
But I would ask, 'which problem with your present cranks are we trying
to solve?'

landotter wrote:
http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/wdc/212946173.html

Thank you! The heartiest laugh I've had all day!

(Fortunately, mine are camouflaged with a layer of black grunge)
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

John Ampleforth wrote:
"A Muzi" wrote in message
...
John Ampleforth wrote:
Seeing as the january sales have presented me with the bargins i don't
need
and that i've choosen to take the more you spend the more you save
attitude
i'm looking in to a new bottom bracket and crankset.

Raceface turbine cranks, both square taper and ISIS are down to 50 quid
(http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...spx?ModelID=52) .

I've only ever used standard shimano square taper in the past so my
practical knowledge of any splined system is nil, however i've read that
ISIS bottom brackets , due to there oversized spindle taking up more
room,
use smaller ball bearings which are prone to loosening, collapse and
being
completely ground to dust. How much of a concern do you folks find this,
any
experience?
The crank brother sale spiel boasts 2 rows of driveside ball bearings
for
there splined bottom brackets; is this standard to all ISIS bottom
bracket
and if not does it realistically make these a better choice than one
without
(FSA perhaps)?
Lastly, is the ISIS system that much stiffer than all tapered BB's? This
one
for example:

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...px?ModelID=676
Everyone has their favorites of course.
But I would ask, 'which problem with your present cranks are we trying
to solve?'
--
Andrew Muzi, who ran errands today on a pair of 1966 Record Pista arms
with dependable install-and-forget square tapers.

www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

No problem, just wanted to "upgrade". Reasonable enough mind as i'm 200+ lb
rider, and i'm sure this upgrade would give better transfer than my current,
but excellent value for money, deore setup. What would you suggest now?


i'm a ~205# and i love octalink - it's definitely stiffer. i noticed it
immediately i climbed my first hill on my first octalink crank set, and
i noticed it again recently when i built a cross frame with a square
taper. the cranks were awful. went back to octalink again - much stiffer.

John Ampleforth wrote:
"landotter" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 4, 12:19 pm, "John Ampleforth" wrote:
Seeing as the january sales have presented me with the bargins i don't
need
and that i've choosen to take the more you spend the more you save
attitude
i'm looking in to a new bottom bracket and crankset.

Raceface turbine cranks, both square taper and ISIS are down to 50 quid
(http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...spx?ModelID=52) .

I've only ever used standard shimano square taper in the past so my
practical knowledge of any splined system is nil, however i've read that
ISIS bottom brackets , due to there oversized spindle taking up more
room,
use smaller ball bearings which are prone to loosening, collapse and
being
completely ground to dust. How much of a concern do you folks find this,
any
experience?
I've heard nothing but bitching from my mates about ISIS. They come
loose, bearings are utter ****e, and the longevity is extremely short
compared to a square taper cartridge.

I'd stick with square, or if stiffness is an issue, go for Octalink.


So octalink doesn't suffer the same problems?

no, bearings on the cartridge versions are pretty much indestructible.

the axel/spindle seems as
large as the ISIS and presumably the bearings are of similar size?

shimano use roller bearings.

On Feb 4, 5:42 pm, "John Ampleforth" wrote:
"landotter" wrote in message

ups.com...



On Feb 4, 12:19 pm, "John Ampleforth" wrote:
Seeing as the january sales have presented me with the bargins i don't
need
and that i've choosen to take the more you spend the more you save
attitude
i'm looking in to a new bottom bracket and crankset.

Raceface turbine cranks, both square taper and ISIS are down to 50 quid
(http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...spx?ModelID=52) .

I've only ever used standard shimano square taper in the past so my
practical knowledge of any splined system is nil, however i've read that
ISIS bottom brackets , due to there oversized spindle taking up more
room,
use smaller ball bearings which are prone to loosening, collapse and
being
completely ground to dust. How much of a concern do you folks find this,
any
experience?

I've heard nothing but bitching from my mates about ISIS. They come
loose, bearings are utter ****e, and the longevity is extremely short
compared to a square taper cartridge.

I'd stick with square, or if stiffness is an issue, go for Octalink.

So octalink doesn't suffer the same problems? the axel/spindle seems as
large as the ISIS and presumably the bearings are of similar size?

You'd think so. My experience is simply word of mouth by local riders.
Listen to Andrew. :P

Personally I'm a square taper man, through and through.