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Seriously; where should a bikie retire?
"Johnny Sunset" writes:
Tim McNamara wrote: ... Asphalt is made in part from oil, which ain't cheap anymore, and there are over 2 million miles of asphalt roads in the US. According to Chevron's Web site, a barrel of oil yields about one gallon of tar after refining into all the various products that can be extracted from the oil.... Unless it is polymer modified, the asphalt cement used in most countries [1] is sourced completely from crude oil (the portion that is left over after the lighter fractions of crude oil have been extracted). Tar is made from coal, asphaltic cement from crude oil. I'm afraid it is a distinction that is lost on me. The Chevron Web site actually stated that one barrel of crude yields one gallon of asphalt, but I rendered it as "tar" to avoid confusion with "asphalt" as most people in the US think of it. Apparently I goofed up when I did so. |
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"Tom Nakashima" wrote:
"Mike DeMicco" wrote "Tom Nakashima" wrote: The Bay Area is nice, but too expensive of an area to retire in. The price of homes here is outrageous as well as the price of gas and general cost of living (higher than most states). We bought our home in the 80's when then market was still affordable, so when I retire, I could either rent it, or get a good price. Also, while the climate is good and there's plenty of places to ride, there's too much traffic and it's getting worse because of new development. Yes, agree Mike, Traffic is terrible in the Bay Area. I love riding the back roads early Sunday mornings, either people are at church or sleeping in. And the water views are really nice in the Bay Area, though it can be windy. Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $795 ti frame |
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Tim McNamara wrote:
There are regional variations of course. In Arkansas, for example, estimated construction costs for a new two lane rural road are $2.1 million per mile. In the mountains, $2.25 million per mile. In urban areas, $2.45 million per mile. Of course, reconstructing an existing roadway is much much cheaper- $800,000 per lane mile (so $1.6 million per mile for a two lane road). If the rural roads really cost that much, they certainly wouldn't have them... they'd still be on dirt and/or gravel. I've no doubt that governments suck that much money out of the economy to pay for state and federal highways, but only because they are horrendously inefficient. OK, the roads I'm talking about are not as nice as a good highway, but they are hard and fairly smooth... I think they are fine to use a road bike on. They are better than many of the roads I frequent on Kauai. And they simply don't cost anything like a million dollars a mile. The county where I grew up has 750 sq miles and 23,000 people. At 2 miles of road per square mile (1500 miles of roads) and if they cost a mere million per mile, that comes to 1.5 billion! Guessing that a quarter of the population is rural, that would be $260,000 per person for the roads where they live. My Dad has a 1/4 mile road going to his property that he built and maintains himself. I asked him a couple of years ago what he thought the cost to build a typical rural road would be these days, and he estimated maybe $20,000 per mile. And logically, if they cost much more than that they wouldn't (couldn't) exist. |
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Quoting Tim McNamara :
Asphalt is made in part from oil, which ain't cheap anymore, and there are over 2 million miles of asphalt roads in the US. According to Chevron's Web site, a barrel of oil yields about one gallon of tar after refining into all the various products that can be extracted from the oil. Oil isn't cheap, but this leftover gunge is; there's more demand for the other byproducts, so it's a matter of selling the gunge cheap or trying to throw it away... -- David Damerell Kill the tomato! Today is Second Mania, January. |
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Ron Ruff wrote:
Tim McNamara wrote: There are regional variations of course. In Arkansas, for example, estimated construction costs for a new two lane rural road are $2.1 million per mile. In the mountains, $2.25 million per mile. In urban areas, $2.45 million per mile. Of course, reconstructing an existing roadway is much much cheaper- $800,000 per lane mile (so $1.6 million per mile for a two lane road). My Dad has a 1/4 mile road going to his property that he built and maintains himself. I asked him a couple of years ago what he thought the cost to build a typical rural road would be these days, and he estimated maybe $20,000 per mile. And logically, if they cost much more than that they wouldn't (couldn't) exist. When my dad built his driveway, about 10 years ago, the price he paid would eat up that $20,000 per mile just for foundation and fill material for a one-lane driveway. Add in land acquisition costs, engineering, pavement, equipment (bulldozers, graders, pavers) and labor costs to build a road from scratch; I don't know if you'd hit two million dollars/mile, but I'd expect it to be way over $20,000. Throw in an occasional culvert, bridge, ditching and so forth, and I'd guess the $2 million per mile is about right. Pat |
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:37:02 -0800, "G.T."
wrote: I'll be joining the legions heading around and up Big T, I'll probably avoid Hwy 2, though. Greg I live about 200 yards off of Big Tujunga Cyn. |
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Western Oregon. Portland was rated top city for riding bicycles. Eugene, Oregon was rated top small citty for riding bicycles. Corvallis, Oregon (small town with university) has highest rating in the state for riding bicycles. Winters are cool and wet, but the rest of the year is perfect. Summers typically have a low of 55 a high of 85 and little wind. Have an ocean, mountain ranges, valley, etc. In Corvallis, 10% of intown trips are by bicycle. |
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More about cycling in SW VA:
http://www.roanoke.com/outdoors/biking/wb/xp-index This is probably the most comprehensive guide to cycling in the area. Before I moved here, I used this site to find ride info. Author Dan Casey works for the Roanoke Times, and is very active in Roanoke's Blue Ridge Bicycle Club. (www.blueridgebicycleclub.com) Matt O. |
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