Bells on bikes

Friend of mine has bought a BSO from H******S.
Isn't it supposed to come complete with a bell? Or has the law changed?


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Jan

Jan wrote:
Friend of mine has bought a BSO from H******S.
Isn't it supposed to come complete with a bell? Or has the law changed?


That's my understanding too. A bag containing reflectors and a bell was
given to me by the 'proper' bike shop I bought my latest machine from.
Roger Thorpe

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Roger Thorpe wrote:

Jan wrote:
Friend of mine has bought a BSO from H******S.
Isn't it supposed to come complete with a bell? Or has the law changed?


That's my understanding too. A bag containing reflectors and a bell was
given to me by the 'proper' bike shop I bought my latest machine from.
Roger Thorpe

Yes but I believe that the law can be circumvented if you didn't
purchase a complete BSO. For example I think it is the case that if you
advertise and sell a bicycle without pedals and then sell the customer
the pedals separately, it doesn't fall under the legislation that
requires it to be sold with pedal reflectors etc.

Mike
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Mike Clark wrote:
In message
Roger Thorpe wrote:

Jan wrote:
Friend of mine has bought a BSO from H******S.
Isn't it supposed to come complete with a bell? Or has the law
changed?


That's my understanding too. A bag containing reflectors and a bell
was given to me by the 'proper' bike shop I bought my latest machine
from. Roger Thorpe

Yes but I believe that the law can be circumvented if you didn't
purchase a complete BSO. For example I think it is the case that if
you advertise and sell a bicycle without pedals and then sell the
customer the pedals separately, it doesn't fall under the legislation
that requires it to be sold with pedal reflectors etc.

Mike

She's purchased a complete BSO .....I didn't think to ask her whether it's
got reflectors.

Jan

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:35:08 -0000
"Jan" wrote:

Friend of mine has bought a BSO from H******S.
Isn't it supposed to come complete with a bell? Or has the law
changed?


A new bike must be supplied fitted with a bell and a full set of
BS6102/2 reflectors (white front, red rear, white wheel and amber
pedal) unless it's a specialist competition or off-road machine.
Once it's out of the shop you need BS6102/2 pedal and rear reflectors
and BS6102/3 lights to comply with Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations
(for use on the road between sunset and sunrise), but can chuck the
bell and the other reflectors. The only other requirement for using a
bike on the road is the Construction and Use Regulations which stipulate
efficient[1] independent brakes on both wheels.


[1] This is obviously open to interpretation - The Pedal Cycle
(Safety) Regulations require new bikes to conform to BS6102/1 which
includes a measure of braking efficiency, but there isn't any
such quantification in the C&U regs.

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:56:04 +0000 someone who may be Rob Morley
wrote this:-

Once it's out of the shop you need BS6102/2 pedal and rear reflectors
and BS6102/3 lights to comply with Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations
(for use on the road between sunset and sunrise),

One only needs the lights if using the vehicle between sunset and
sunrise. One doesn't need to have them otherwise.

The lights don't have to comply with some British Standard, they
simply need to comply with an appropriate standard from an EU
member. Far better to have lights that comply with German standards
than British ones.


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In ,
David Hansen tweaked the Babbage-Engine to
tell us:

One only needs the lights if using the vehicle between sunset and
sunrise. One doesn't need to have them otherwise.

The lights don't have to comply with some British Standard, they
simply need to comply with an appropriate standard from an EU
member. Far better to have lights that comply with German standards
than British ones.

Though the German standards will only allow a 3 Watt / 6 Vole front light,
which may still not be enough under some circumstances. Of course, there's
nothing to stop one from installing any old piece of policeman-pleasing BS
tat *and* a high-power Fiery Beam o' Death.

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"Rob Morley" wrote
The Pedal Cycle
(Safety) Regulations require new bikes to conform to BS6102/1 which
includes a measure of braking efficiency, but there isn't any
such quantification in the C&U regs.

There's new EU bike safety standards about to come in e.g. EN 14764, which
has stuff about lights and warning devices. But the internet seems
unwilling to give me a free online copy.

Dave Larrington wrote:
In ,
David Hansen tweaked the
Babbage-Engine to tell us:

One only needs the lights if using the vehicle between sunset and
sunrise. One doesn't need to have them otherwise.

The lights don't have to comply with some British Standard, they
simply need to comply with an appropriate standard from an EU
member. Far better to have lights that comply with German standards
than British ones.

Though the German standards will only allow a 3 Watt / 6 Vole front
light, which may still not be enough under some circumstances. Of
course, there's nothing to stop one from installing any old piece of
policeman-pleasing BS tat *and* a high-power Fiery Beam o' Death.



Thanks everyone for your imput, I'll pass on your suggestions.

Jan

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:45:16 -0000 someone who may be "Dave
Larrington" wrote this:-

Though the German standards will only allow a 3 Watt / 6 Vole front light,
which may still not be enough under some circumstances.

A lamp which complies with them will be better made though.

I wonder how many lamp manufacturers bother to get them certified to
British Standards. Far better to get them done to say the German
standards, as the market is far larger.

Of course, there's
nothing to stop one from installing any old piece of policeman-pleasing BS
tat *and* a high-power Fiery Beam o' Death.

Or alternatively fit a dual system with a low power "legal" lamp and
a far more useful (at least out of town) lamp of higher power.


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I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
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