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Old October 6th 10, 08:30 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mrcheerful[_2_]
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Default Oxford St.Cyclist V. cabbie in court, the final result

the taxi drivers witness was out of the country, but the cyclist's witnesses
turned up, the taxi driver (on his own) was not found to be credible.

http://road.cc/content/news/25146-lo...leared-assault

The report in the standard has a slightly different slant
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ard-readers.do

the comments after it are telling: people are p@@@d off with cyclists in
London.


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Old October 6th 10, 09:05 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Squashme
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Default Oxford St.Cyclist V. cabbie in court, the final result

On 6 Oct, 08:30, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
the taxi drivers witness was out of the country, but the cyclist's witnesses
turned up, the taxi driver (on his own) was not found to be credible.

http://road.cc/content/news/25146-lo...led-taxi-drive...

The report in the standard has a slightly different slanthttp://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23884814-cyclist-is-cl...

the comments after it are telling: people are p@@@d off with cyclists in
London.


75% of the comments support the cyclist.

Apparently the taxi-driver's witness was another taxi-driver and was
out of the country. What a coincidence.
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Old October 6th 10, 09:21 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Squashme
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Default Oxford St.Cyclist V. cabbie in court, the final result

On 6 Oct, 08:30, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
the taxi drivers witness was out of the country, but the cyclist's witnesses
turned up, the taxi driver (on his own) was not found to be credible.

http://road.cc/content/news/25146-lo...led-taxi-drive...

The report in the standard has a slightly different slanthttp://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23884814-cyclist-is-cl...

the comments after it are telling: people are p@@@d off with cyclists in
London.


And let's remember this pearl too:-

"The CPS rarely prosecute unless the chances of a conviction are very
high
indeed.

What I reckon happened is that this lycra lout picked a fight with the
wrong
bloke & came off worse. Now he is whinging like a baby and telling
lies to
gain sympathy from the cyclist ****** community.

I hope he gets a few years behind bars for assaulting an innocent taxi
driver. Might be a lesson to the other cyclist scum."

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Old October 6th 10, 09:24 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Squashme
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Default Oxford St.Cyclist V. cabbie in court, the final result

On 6 Oct, 08:30, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
the taxi drivers witness was out of the country, but the cyclist's witnesses
turned up, the taxi driver (on his own) was not found to be credible.

http://road.cc/content/news/25146-lo...led-taxi-drive...

The report in the standard has a slightly different slanthttp://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23884814-cyclist-is-cl...

the comments after it are telling: people are p@@@d off with cyclists in
London.


And remember JNugent:-

"Something you are likely to hear at some time on any given morning at
your
local Mags' Court:

"I'm not guilty, guv, it was all the other bloke's fault, honest, on
my
granny's eyes".

"Someone out there must have seen something"?

Well, quite. That appears to be this chap's problem. Advertising on
the
internet for a "witness" is more likely to devalue his defence than
strengthen it. It's obvious.

Let's see who the court believes."

Well, well.
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Old October 6th 10, 09:28 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Squashme
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Default Oxford St.Cyclist V. cabbie in court, the final result

On 6 Oct, 08:30, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
the taxi drivers witness was out of the country, but the cyclist's witnesses
turned up, the taxi driver (on his own) was not found to be credible.

http://road.cc/content/news/25146-lo...led-taxi-drive...

The report in the standard has a slightly different slanthttp://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23884814-cyclist-is-cl...

the comments after it are telling: people are p@@@d off with cyclists in
London.


And you treated the earlier request for witnesses thus:-

"I believe this is one of those attempts to see what memories can be
triggered of a non existent event."
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Old October 6th 10, 10:42 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Oxford St.Cyclist V. cabbie in court, the final result

On 6 Oct, 09:24, Squashme wrote:
On 6 Oct, 08:30, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

the taxi drivers witness was out of the country, but the cyclist's witnesses
turned up, the taxi driver (on his own) was not found to be credible.


http://road.cc/content/news/25146-lo...led-taxi-drive...


The report in the standard has a slightly different slanthttp://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23884814-cyclist-is-cl...


the comments after it are telling: people are p@@@d off with cyclists in
London.


And remember JNugent:-

"Something you are likely to hear at some time on any given morning at
your
local Mags' Court:

"I'm not guilty, guv, it was all the other bloke's fault, honest, on
my
granny's eyes".

"Someone out there must have seen something"?

Well, quite. That appears to be this chap's problem. Advertising on
the
internet for a "witness" is more likely to devalue his defence than
strengthen it. It's obvious.

Let's see who the court believes."

Well, well.


The scary thing is that they all can vote and sit on juries!

--
Simon Mason
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Old October 6th 10, 10:52 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_7_]
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Default Oxford St.Cyclist V. cabbie in court, the final result

On 06/10/2010 08:30, Mrcheerful wrote:

the taxi drivers witness was out of the country, but the cyclist's witnesses
turned up, the taxi driver (on his own) was not found to be credible.


http://road.cc/content/news/25146-lo...leared-assault


The report in the standard has a slightly different slant
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ard-readers.do


the comments after it are telling: people are p@@@d off with cyclists in
London.


QUOTE:
As reported on road.cc in June, Jared Kelly, aged 39, issued an appeal via
the London Cyclist blog for witnesses to the incident, which took place in
March this year on London’s Oxford Street, to help him in his defence. Word
of his predicament quickly spread via cycling websites and Twitter, and was
also picked up by the Evening Standard.

[ ... ]

According to one eyewitness, it had been Mr Kelly who had attacked the cab
driver, but that witness was unable to attend the hearing at South Western
Magistrates’ Court due to being out of the country, and attempts by the Crown
Prosecution Service (CPS) to have the case adjourned were rejected.

[That is hugely important.]

Instead, the Evening Standard reports, Mr Kelly produced two witnesses, Lee
Sattaur, manager at H&M in Oxford Street and Matthew Gowan, a student at
Westminster University, who supported his version of events, who were
described as “Good Samaritans" for having stepped forward.
ENDQUOTE

Just *imagine* the outcry there would have been from the usual suspects if
tht had been reversed and it had been the driver up on the assault charge.
Just think of a situation where the only witness known of (who supported the
"victim" cyclist) was unavailable, but the case went ahead anyway and
magically, after an appeal in the cab trade press made by the defendant
seeking "witnesses", two cab-drivers turned up to say that it was all the
cyclist's fault.
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Old October 6th 10, 10:55 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Squashme
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Default Oxford St.Cyclist V. cabbie in court, the final result

On 6 Oct, 10:52, JNugent wrote:
On 06/10/2010 08:30, Mrcheerful wrote:

the taxi drivers witness was out of the country, but the cyclist's witnesses
turned up, the taxi driver (on his own) was not found to be credible.
http://road.cc/content/news/25146-lo...led-taxi-drive...
The report in the standard has a slightly different slant
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-cyclist-is-cl...
the comments after it are telling: people are p@@@d off with cyclists in
London.


QUOTE:
As reported on road.cc in June, Jared Kelly, aged 39, issued an appeal via
the London Cyclist blog for witnesses to the incident, which took place in
March this year on London’s Oxford Street, to help him in his defence. Word
of his predicament quickly spread via cycling websites and Twitter, and was
also picked up by the Evening Standard.

[ ... ]

According to one eyewitness, it had been Mr Kelly who had attacked the cab
driver, but that witness was unable to attend the hearing at South Western
Magistrates’ Court due to being out of the country, and attempts by the Crown
Prosecution Service (CPS) to have the case adjourned were rejected.

[That is hugely important.]

Instead, the Evening Standard reports, Mr Kelly produced two witnesses, Lee
Sattaur, manager at H&M in Oxford Street and Matthew Gowan, a student at
Westminster University, who supported his version of events, who were
described as “Good Samaritans" for having stepped forward.
ENDQUOTE

Just *imagine* the outcry there would have been from the usual suspects if
tht had been reversed and it had been the driver up on the assault charge..
Just think of a situation where the only witness known of (who supported the
"victim" cyclist) was unavailable, but the case went ahead anyway and
magically, after an appeal in the cab trade press made by the defendant
seeking "witnesses", two cab-drivers turned up to say that it was all the
cyclist's fault.


No. Let's just see what has really happened, instead of your usual
biased swerving. You got fooled. You, the Met, the CPS, Medway,
Mrcheerful and all.
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Old October 6th 10, 10:56 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_7_]
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Default Oxford St.Cyclist V. cabbie in court, the final result

On 06/10/2010 09:24, Squashme wrote:
On 6 Oct, 08:30, wrote:
the taxi drivers witness was out of the country, but the cyclist's witnesses
turned up, the taxi driver (on his own) was not found to be credible.

http://road.cc/content/news/25146-lo...led-taxi-drive...

The report in the standard has a slightly different slanthttp://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23884814-cyclist-is-cl...

the comments after it are telling: people are p@@@d off with cyclists in
London.


And remember JNugent:-


"Something you are likely to hear at some time on any given morning at
your local Mags' Court:
"I'm not guilty, guv, it was all the other bloke's fault, honest, on
my granny's eyes".
"Someone out there must have seen something"?
Well, quite. That appears to be this chap's problem. Advertising on
the internet for a "witness" is more likely to devalue his defence than
strengthen it. It's obvious.
Let's see who the court believes."

Well, well.


Indeed. I am surprised - and not a little dismayed - by that verdict.

Perhaps there's something the CPS can do about it. Let's hope so.

Failing to adjourn a case when the only *known* witness is going to be
available (but not on that particular day*) and when the "witnesses" for the
other side have only been produced via a public appeal seems like material
for a setting-aside (igf that's possible in a criminal case).

[*The quickest way to prevent witnesses coming forward in any case would be
to ban them from taking holidays until the case has been heard.]
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Old October 6th 10, 10:57 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_7_]
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On 06/10/2010 09:28, Squashme wrote:
On 6 Oct, 08:30, wrote:
the taxi drivers witness was out of the country, but the cyclist's witnesses
turned up, the taxi driver (on his own) was not found to be credible.

http://road.cc/content/news/25146-lo...led-taxi-drive...

The report in the standard has a slightly different slanthttp://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23884814-cyclist-is-cl...

the comments after it are telling: people are p@@@d off with cyclists in
London.


And you treated the earlier request for witnesses thus:-

"I believe this is one of those attempts to see what memories can be
triggered of a non existent event."


Is there anything to suggest that that was wrong?

 




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