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"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message ... On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:06:21 -0600, "Edward Dolan" wrote: Jeez! This time I count three sentences, although two of them are rather short. But always the mention of the arse. Yes, and as long as the arse keeps replying, the arse's name will keep coming up in the attributions. Jeez, Ed, how obvious does sarcasm have to be before you notice it? Try to mix your sarcasm with some wit if you want to get my attention. Unless and until, you are just the world's most tiresome bore. -- Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:38:34 -0600, "Edward Dolan"
wrote: All I ever go by are the words I see in front of me on the computer screen. Nothing else ever matters in the slightest. Be fair, Ed - you go by only /some/ of the words you see before you. Evidence which is against you, you have previously discounted because although it is robust, it disagrees with you - you have told me in the past that you are right and the evidence wrong. It is right-wing zealots like you who are the best recruiting sergeants for the terrorists, hence your honorary jihad-name El-Ohssa. Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University |
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"Peter Clinch" wrote in message ... Ogg Oggibly wrote: Yeah. Wring your hands. Jerk. That's what /you're/ doing. He meant Ed Dolan would like to wring your neck, you g.d. ****ing asshole! I haven't heard of Hindus stoning anybody. Forms of execution and lynching tend to move across religious boundaries. It's that "local customs" thing again, regrettably. Note that stoning was quite normal in the Middle East well before Islam even existed, as you can find in the Bible. It is actually the God commanded death of transgressions of /Biblical/ law, so no particular surprise that another creed's Holy Book is apparently keen on it too. But just like followers of the Bible don't necessarily feel the need to stone people, nor does it it automatically follow that the Koran's devotees do. Some do, but by no means the majority. Note Clinch's obsession with ancient history. He does not like to examine what the Muslims are PRESENTLY doing in the world. I wonder why that is? If you know of recent Hindu stonings I would appreciate you pointing me to them. I will show no reluctance to condemn them. So you say, but you'll actually bang on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on some more about how dreadful Muslims and their religion are. Who else is going around the world committing one atrocity after another? No Hindus that I know of. I thought I made that clear a while back. Give me a second and I will copy and paste it here for you to read again. "Let me make this clear to you. I AM NOT EQUATING THE ACTIONS OF EXTREMISTS MUSLIMS, ISLAMIC GOVERNMENTS AND CLERICS WITH ALL MUSLIMS." So you say, but then you do just what you say you don't do, by dopey things like saying there is a global war on. Global means everywhere and war is what was happening in Falluja yesterday. That is not happening everywhere, thus there is not a global war going on between Muslims and anyone else. The Islamic extremists have struck in several countries around the world in the last few years. Ever hear of what happened in Spain, Indonesia, various African nations? Seems pretty global to me. If I were Guy Chapman I would at this point tell you to get your head out of your ass (arse). Consider that you have been told as I know he hates those g.d. Muslims the same as I do. "I have no problem condemning abuses of women and children be it my next door neighbor, a local priest, a Hindu, or an Islamic State/Nation, or whoever." You say you don't have a problem doing it, but the only people you ever get round to condemning in actuality are Muslims. We are waiting for those Hindus to make a splash in the world like the Muslims have. I know if I were a Hindus living in India, I would make it my full time job to wage war are on Muslims. My motto would be the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim. No the female child of the post graduate Muslim (why do you always feel the need to mention the educational attainments of your Muslim acquaintances) I work in a University so the examples I tend to meet are at University, I mention what they do to underline they're pretty normal people. University people can be the dumbest people on earth. I ought to know as I was around them for a time. A more unimpressive group of folks I have never met in my life. I don't know what makes them so stupid because they are literate. I think they are just constantly reading the wrong things all the time. Kind of like Mr. Sherman that way. relatively safe in Scotland which happens, I believe to be a predominately Christian country which would deal harshly with the crime of stoning. But let's move that educated female child, who grew up among the Scottish infidels, to a Islamic Republic and her chances of being stoned to death go from nil to the real possibility of becoming a Zhila. It is this reality that your brain seems not to be able to accept. The reality is that most Muslims live in Muslim states and about half of them are female. That would be, a very conservative ballpark estimate, say 300 million people in significant danger of being stoned. That's self evidently nonsense. There are many Muslims now living in the West which they seem to enjoy. Why don't you as a Christian (non-Muslim) go to the heartland of Muslim-land (Saudi Arabia) and see how you like living there. One thing I can tell you for sure. They will never accept you unless and until you convert. You will be a permanent freak there and essentially hated. Enjoy! If you believe in civilized human rights, you should give thought, if that is possible, to supporting the separation of mosque and state. I prefer disestablishment, as it happens, but OTOH the Church of England is an established state religion and shows that it is not necessarily a sure fire route to evildoing. The Turks are just about the only Muslims who have managed a degree of secularism in their civil society - but just barely. Apparently neither does his girlfriend who doesn't want to talk about what is going on in her homeland. Or maybe like Peter she is apathetic about the Jihad declared in Amsterdam and feels its just another isolated incidence by some bad apples whose motivations are of no interest or consequence. I never said that, I said she didn't pass on the information that her friends and relations were quaking in their boots as they "braced for Jihad", probably, I surmised, because none of them told her that they were. Note that quaking in one's boots because of an impending war that you think has just been declared is /not/ the same thing as serious concern. The Dutch have a great love of debate and free speech and the national outcry appears to be that this was denied to Theo van Gogh by his murder, and quite right too. Though there is a wave of anti-Muslim feeling at present and the Dutch party leader interviewed on the BBC was keen to use the word "jihad", he was also keen to point out he was only interested in hunting down fanatics and that almost all the country's Muslims (nearly a million) were "normal people like you and me". And they are, though you seem to think that their faith directs them towards evil. That certain members of their faith are trying to use the religion to do that I won't deny, but you've been pointed at plenty of examples of that from other faiths too, yet you persist in pouring all of your ire into one place. If there are already a million Muslim emigrants in the Netherlands, then that means the Dutch will soon be a minority in their own country. It will serve them right too. The churches will all become mosques and the Dutch will not be welcome in their own country. That folks is what is known as a revolting situation. But Clinch is all for it. He is no doubt already thinking about converting to Islam. He will soon be praying five times a day with his head to the ground and his ass to the air. This will suit him because he is nothing if not an ostrich anyway. If he gets married and has a daughter and he catches her fooling around with a boy, he will be all for stoning the horrible little bitch to death for dishonoring him. You've now crossed over into making up things I didn't say and gratuitous insults, so time to bow out here. Jesus Christ! You still here? Get the **** gone why don't you - and don't come back, you crazy screwball Muslim sympathizer. May Allah have a hundred camels cover you with dung and **** and blow spit in your ugly face. -- ****ing Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message ... On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:38:34 -0600, "Edward Dolan" wrote: All I ever go by are the words I see in front of me on the computer screen. Nothing else ever matters in the slightest. Be fair, Ed - you go by only /some/ of the words you see before you. Evidence which is against you, you have previously discounted because although it is robust, it disagrees with you - you have told me in the past that you are right and the evidence wrong. No, we are just disagreeing about what constitutes relevant evidence. And then I always go on to say that evidence by itself is next to nothing. It has to be interpreted and put into a larger scheme of things in order to make sense of it. You are in awe of evidence. I treat it with the contempt that it deserves until it has been properly analyzed (by me of course). All uneducated people have way too much respect for evidence and never know how to treat it. You are lucky to know someone like me. It is right-wing zealots like you who are the best recruiting sergeants for the terrorists, hence your honorary jihad-name El-Ohssa. It is far better to be a right wing zealot than a left wing zealot as the former has an honorable history in the annals of mankind where as the latter has a very dishonorable history, especially in recent times. You work your side of the street and I will work my side of the street. Arab terrorists are made in their own miserable societies and it has nothing to do with the West. OBL's real target is the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, not the US. -- Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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"Peter Clinch" wrote in message ... snip You've now crossed over into making up things I didn't say and gratuitous insults, so time to bow out here. Cool. Go work on the computer network. Take care of yourself and don't loose your head. Ogg O Sig - Leftist seem willing to support Islamic states that aim to destroy human freedom, enslave women, persecute Jews and other minority religions, and wage jihad on civilazation. |
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
... "G. Morgan" wrote in message ... On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:15:46 -0600 "Edward Dolan" used 138 lines of text to write in newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent You may yet force me to go to a dictionary of invective to get some new names to call you. Just calling you an idiot doesn't do justice to what you are. http://www.mikegallay.com/prisspec.html Many thanks Graham. You have come to my rescue just in the nick of time as I am running out of words to throw at the cretins infesting this newsgroup. I will save that web site to my Favorites and will resort to it as the occasion demands. Look for some new and fresh name calling from me in the near future. Heh... Mike Gallay's a Canadian... I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's a Liberal to boot... Way to go Ed!!! |
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"G. Morgan" wrote in message
... On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:11:34 GMT "Frank Olson" used 196 lines of text to write in newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent L. Ron Hubbard did it... I figure I can come up with a religion for idiots too... Isn't that the same kind of generalization you're accusing Ed of? Not at all... My hat's off to Mr. Hubbard (the founder of the "Church" of Scientology). If you read how he did it, you'll see it's a lot easier "founding" a church than it is bringing the monster to life... Drat!! Now you've got me comparing "religion" to Frankenstein's monster... What will Ed make of *this*?? :-)) |
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:47:19 -0600, "Edward Dolan"
wrote: I guess; corportate America does like to ensure that the genuine starvation wages are applied only to brown folks in faraway places, out of sight, out of mind. Every nation in the world is sovereign. That is what constitutes the very definition of a nation. It was Britain that had colonies. We Americans were never really into that much. We had colonisation, you have Coca-Colanisation. It's the same thing but with worse teeth. The fact is that the poor in this country live better than do the poor in any other country in the world including Europe's poor. As long as they're not sick. Or unemployed. The unemployed are taken care of fairly well, at least temporarily. Until they get sick, you mean? ;-) But I will admit that there has to be a better way of paying for health care than the present system that prevails here. I do part company with the conservatives and the Republicans on this issue. Pleased to hear it. But the US has the responsibility of providing for the security of the West and indeed the entire world. Only because it has arrogated it. Nobody asked, and I think quite a few people would be perfectly happy if it dropped that role. Europe has been given a free ride ever since the conclusion of WW II. Really? I'm sure that will come as a great comfort to the service widows. Since the Coronation, over half a century ago, there has only been one year in which no British serviceman has been killd on active service. I think the US may shortly withdraw from Europe as the threats are now emanating from elsewhere in the world. Translation: now you no longer need "the world's largest aircraft carrier" aka Airstrip One. But the US, as the only remaining super power, will continue to have world responsibilities for the foreseeable future. Not really. Your government might choose to see themselves as the world's Wyatt Earp, but very often US intervention is heavy-handed and causes more pain than it solves. Look at the Balkans and the Middle East for example. Once again you confuse opposition to illegal invasions with treason, a common mistake among right-wing zealots. You are not on the right side in the War on Terrorism. Because you aren't you are in effect betraying the West and your natural heritage. It is really quite shameful. Once again you confuse opposition to illegal invasions with treason, a common mistake among right-wing zealots. I was against terrorism back int he days when the CIA was running the terorrists, and I'm still against it now. Bombing the **** out of civilians is not a proven route to reducing terrorism. The level of threat to my country from Saddam Hussein was approximately zero, and the same applied to the USA. The only group of terrorists which attacked the USA were trained and equipped by the CIA, and anyway they attacked mainly in response to US foreign policy ****ups. So Saddam gassed the Marsh Arabs? So did Churchill. We of the west have absolutely nothing to be smug about here, and no justification whatever for feelings of moral supriority. The entire above paragraph is too stupid for words - and so ... no words. The entire paragraph is true. Saddam posed NO threat to my country, and NO threat to the US. Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University |
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:24:02 -0600, "Edward Dolan"
wrote: All I ever go by are the words I see in front of me on the computer screen. Nothing else ever matters in the slightest. Be fair, Ed - you go by only /some/ of the words you see before you. Evidence which is against you, you have previously discounted because although it is robust, it disagrees with you - you have told me in the past that you are right and the evidence wrong. No, we are just disagreeing about what constitutes relevant evidence. Not really. The first time we had this conversation you told me you didn't care about evidence, because you knew you were right (even though the evidence clearly showed you were wrong). I don't see a lot of change since. Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University |
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:07:55 -0600, "Edward Dolan"
wrote: Yes, and as long as the arse keeps replying, the arse's name will keep coming up in the attributions. Jeez, Ed, how obvious does sarcasm have to be before you notice it? Try to mix your sarcasm with some wit if you want to get my attention. Unless and until, you are just the world's most tiresome bore. Oh no, Ed, you are nowhere close to losing that crown yet, don't worry. Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University |
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