OT Flame War

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:49:39 GMT "Mark Leuck"
used 19 lines of text to write in newsgroup:
alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent

One of his pals tells me he's actually a pretty nice guy outside of
Usenet. I was trying to gauge whether or not to elevate him to "Saint
Mark". ;~)

"Your highness" will be sufficient


You'll have to settle for "Your Hiney"


--
-Graham

"What I have mostly against middle aged white liberals like you is that you do not know how to hate the proper
people." -Ed Dolan

"G. Morgan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:44:26 GMT "Mark Leuck"
used 14 lines of text to write in newsgroup:
alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent


I know Tom has gotta be in there somewhere

Tom is he
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/upload_files/se2464.jpg

Frank- set me up with this chick:
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/upload_files/se3041.JPG


Paul from ASA made it too:
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/upload_files/se2243.jpg


--
-Graham

None of those links worked

Here's a better one just getting started

http://www.werenotsorry.com/Main.htm

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:31:22 GMT "Mark Leuck"
used 31 lines of text to write in newsgroup:
alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent




None of those links worked

Here's a better one just getting started

http://www.werenotsorry.com/Main.htm

HAHAHAAHA!!! Notice the number of folks with guns in the pictures!



Non-authoritative answer:
Name: sorryeverybody.com
Address: 72.3.131.10

Hmm... They work for me. Maybe your DNS is not caught up.

try:


Tom is he
http://72.3.131.10/upload_files/se2464.jpg

Frank- set me up with this chick:
http://72.3.131.10/upload_files/se3041.JPG


Paul from ASA made it too:
http://72.3.131.10/upload_files/se2243.jpg

--
-Graham

"What I have mostly against middle aged white liberals like you is that you do not know how to hate the proper
people." -Ed Dolan

Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...

Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:


...There are opportunities available to Americans of all classes that
Europeans can only dream about.

That was true up until three to four decades ago. Now the opportunities
for those born into the lower classes in Western Europe have exceeded
those for people in the US born into the lower classes. This will become
even truer with the Republican agenda of concentrating wealth in the hands
of the already rich.

Time to get up to date, Mr. Ed Dolan.


My God Mr. Tom Sherman. What planet are you living on?

My home town of Worthington is being flooded by Hispanics from Mexico and
Central America. They start off working at the local meat packing plant and
before you know it they are opening businesses on main street. They are
taking over the town. I admire them enormously. They have get up and go -
something I never had in my entire life.

Emigrants are pouring into this country from all over the world for just one
reason - opportunity. The very rich are not the evil you imagine them to be.
They have to invest their money in the economy and that creates
opportunities for everyone else.

Time to shuck your socialist ideology, Mr. Tom Sherman.

Look up the trends in wealth and income distribution in the US over the
past quarter century. Enough said.

--
Tom Sherman
"Use your head, Mr. Ed" – Slugger

G. Morgan wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:15:32 -0600 "Tom Sherman"
used 17 lines of text to write in newsgroup:
alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent


That was true up until three to four decades ago. Now the opportunities
for those born into the lower classes in Western Europe have exceeded
those for people in the US born into the lower classes. This will become
even truer with the Republican agenda of concentrating wealth in the
hands of the already rich.



Hfffmmmtttt.

Before I engage you Tom, what specific opportunities are you saying
are not available to "lower classes".

Let us start out with early childhood. Most do not receive the same
developmental opportunities [1], and even fewer will with the cutbacks
in Head Start proposed by the Cheney/Rove administration and their
Republican allies in Congress.

Then poor children generally go to the worst public schools and live in
the type of areas that offer the least opportunities for activities and
work. The few that overcome these odds and make it through high school
and/or to higher education are still handicapped.

They will generally also take longer to finish higher education or will
have to borrow much more money than those from more affluent backgrounds
will. This will lead to a lifetime deficiency in earned income that will
never be made up compared to someone of equal talent and determination
from a higher economic class.

In Western Europe (and in particular Sweden) there is much higher social
mobility between classes due to better pre-natal care (universal health
coverage), universal pre-schools, better quality public schools, free
higher education, and more progressive taxation.

The US system is increasingly changing in a way that will entrench
wealth and limit social mobility. Nations such as Mexico and Colombia
are the models of what people such as Grover Norquist and many in the
Republican Party are trying to achieve.

[1] The is an almost universal consensus among psychologist who study
childhood development that it is almost impossible for those who get
behind at this stage to ever catch up.

--
Tom Sherman

"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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Until the Muslims speak out against the terrorists in their midst, I will
regard them all as my enemy.


Many Muslims did. In Canada, Britain, Europe and the US. Or don't those
count??

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...
Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...

Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:


...There are opportunities available to Americans of all classes that
Europeans can only dream about.

That was true up until three to four decades ago. Now the opportunities
for those born into the lower classes in Western Europe have exceeded
those for people in the US born into the lower classes. This will become
even truer with the Republican agenda of concentrating wealth in the
hands of the already rich.

Time to get up to date, Mr. Ed Dolan.


My God Mr. Tom Sherman. What planet are you living on?

My home town of Worthington is being flooded by Hispanics from Mexico and
Central America. They start off working at the local meat packing plant
and before you know it they are opening businesses on main street. They
are taking over the town. I admire them enormously. They have get up and
go - something I never had in my entire life.

Emigrants are pouring into this country from all over the world for just
one reason - opportunity. The very rich are not the evil you imagine them
to be. They have to invest their money in the economy and that creates
opportunities for everyone else.

Time to shuck your socialist ideology, Mr. Tom Sherman.

Look up the trends in wealth and income distribution in the US over the
past quarter century. Enough said.

This is Mr. Sherman's favorite subject and he has become somewhat of an
expert on it - up to a point. Ah, the sense of being aggrieved because you
were not born with silver spoon in your mouth. There is no one on this
planet who understands this better than I do. So what is my answer to these
perennial complaints. Yea - LIFE IS UNFAIR! It always has been and it always
will be. Get over it. Make the best of what is available to you and you will
go far beyond any of your contemporaries. If you do very well, it may be
that your children or your grandchildren can come into this world with a
silver spoon in their mouths.

I refuse to go through life nursing grievances because I am not as well off
as others. As long as I can get by, I will be satisfied. However, if I
cannot get by, than watch out. I will be in the streets with Mr. Sherman
clamoring for some social justice. The one thing I will know however is that
you will not get any social justice with a communist or socialist
arrangement of society.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...
[...]
In Western Europe (and in particular Sweden) there is much higher social
mobility between classes due to better pre-natal care (universal health
coverage), universal pre-schools, better quality public schools, free
higher education, and more progressive taxation.

The US system is increasingly changing in a way that will entrench wealth
and limit social mobility. Nations such as Mexico and Colombia are the
models of what people such as Grover Norquist and many in the Republican
Party are trying to achieve.

Tom, we are not nearly so far apart as you imagine. I have always regarded
myself as a progressive and as a populist. I could easily bring myself to
vote for Democrats if they weren't always such assholes on foreign affairs.
But the fact that they are always such assholes on foreign affairs leads me
to believe that they must be wrong on most everything else too.

I am also very much a social conservative on the moral issues. The Democrats
need to go back to their base, the old base that existed in the 1940's and
forget all this nonsense about catering to the academic elites and the
Hollywood culture. For the first time in my life, I am afraid that the
Democrats are going to self destruct and frankly I do not want to see the
Republicans totally dominate the politics of this country. I am more on your
side than you will ever realize based on the two paragraphs above.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
...

Rather than telling this newsgroup that you do not give a **** what I
think of you and how you voted, you ought to have said why you voted for
Bush. That is what we are all waiting to hear, since you are a liberal
pacifist and a socialist to boot. So, just why did you vote for Bush? Mr.
Sherman do doubt wants to know even more than me.


"Better the devil you know, than the one you don't". Besides, Bush should
be "at the helm" when our economy starts to "unravel" and we finally see all
the American blood on his hands. Oh... and I'm a *Christian*. That makes
me a "Liberal" and a "pacifist" by default, I guess (although I've never
voted "Liberal" in my life)...

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:09:20 GMT, "Frank Olson"
wrote:

"Better the devil you know, than the one you don't"

For differing values of better. Think Mugabe here.

Guy
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