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More anti-aluminum "facts"
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:53:23 -0700, Terry Morse
wrote in message : The only valid reason I can think of for choosing steel for touring is that the frame can be repaired by just about anyone with a welding torch. I can think of others. For example, the Dawes Galaxy is made of steel and is a very well built and specified touring bike. That's no more arbitrary than any other reason for choosing steel or any other material. Having had two frame fatigue failures on aluminium bikes, I'm inclined to mistrust aluminium for long-term use. I use my bikes every day. -- Guy === May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University |
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More anti-aluminum "facts"
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 06:47:07 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf"
wrote: Don't you wonder why all of the true touring bikes (admittedly there are few left) are still chro-moly, i.e. Trek, Fuji, Koga-Miyata, Bruce Gordon, etc. Steel may be easier to repair on the road, for people interested in doing self-sufficient loaded touring; any idiot with a Sears welder can make a faulty weld rideable to get at least to a place for a proper repair. I don't think such people are much of a market segment. More likely, however, is pure marketing: If even Trek sticks with steel, there is obviously a very good reason for Reason: Marketing. It seems that most of the touring crowd is made up of retrogrouches like you, who would buy a steel tourer over an aluminum one. it! And of course you are well aware of the reasons. The Trek web site sates (of the 520): "FRAME: Welded Cro-Moly built to endure the demands of fully loaded touring." So, you swallow marketspeak when convenient. I wouldn't be surprised if Trek says exactly the same thing of threadless headsets. Opinions masquerading as fact are dangerous things. They certainly are. Almost as dangerous as marketing implicature masquerading as facts. You mean like this: "FRAME: Welded Cro-Moly built to endure the demands of fully loaded touring." ? You're pushing mythology, prejudice, and retrogrouchery; and you push your anti-aluminum agenda on everybody, not just tourers. Meanwhile, some gullible newbie is going to end up on a poor fitting steel cheapie because his LBS didn't have a good selection of steel traditional-sized/shaped frames with threaded headsets, friction shifters, and ungreased square tapers or whatever... -- Rick Onanian |
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Advice Wanted: Bike Buyer in NYC
"Steven M. Scharf" wrote in message ink.net...
"Rick Onanian" wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:28:19 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf" wrote: snip Thank you all for your responses. So both the Marin Argenta and the Bianchi Brava are better bikes than the Trek 1200? If that's true, I'll get one of them. I'm not too good with components, but I don't see why anyone here would lie. I'm leaning towards the Bianchi because 1. It's cheaper. 2. I like how it looks more than how the Argenta looks. But I still really like the Trek. 2. Another LBS even nearer to me than the one on 96th is a Bianchi dealer. I'd like to give them some business. The only problem is that store, Champion Cycles on 101st and Amsterdam, hardly carries any inventory. So I'd have to mail-order it anyway. And I like to ride before I order. I'm on the edge here... any words of encouragement? Is that what you think I should do? (I can't believe I'm asking a bunch of strangers how to spend hundreds of dollars… =) ) |
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bottle breaker
Zipping along, maybe at 20 mph or so, as it was a slight downhill. Not the
best of neighborhoods. Just after I went by, a young black man waiting at the bus stop broke a bottle and kicked the glass into the bike lane. My response: "Ya jerk!", and just continued down the street. Better response would have been? Warm Regards, Claire Petersky Please replace earthlink for mouse-potato and .net for .com Home of the meditative cyclist: http://home.earthlink.net/~cpetersky/Welcome.htm See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky |
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bottle breaker
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:12:11 GMT, "Claire Petersky"
wrote: Zipping along, maybe at 20 mph or so, as it was a slight downhill. Not the best of neighborhoods. Just after I went by, a young black man waiting at the bus stop broke a bottle and kicked the glass into the bike lane. My response: "Ya jerk!", and just continued down the street. Better response would have been? Silence and some deft bikehandling. In the words of Speech from Arrested Development: "At first I ignored them cause see I know their type They got drunk and got guns and they wanna fight and they see a young couple having a time that's good and their egos wanna test a brother's manhood" -Arrested Development, "People Everyday" -Luigi Warm Regards, Claire Petersky Please replace earthlink for mouse-potato and .net for .com Home of the meditative cyclist: http://home.earthlink.net/~cpetersky/Welcome.htm See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky |
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Advice Wanted: Bike Buyer in NYC
(I can't believe I'm asking a bunch of strangers how to spend hundreds
of dollars… =) ) We can't believe it either, but my advice would be to send me hundreds of dollars immediately. It's your decision to make, if you make the wrong decision you will still have gotten a bicycle. If you make the right decision you will still have gotten a bicycle. Either way, you will be better off, because you will have a bicycle. -- _______________________ALL AMIGA IN MY MIND_______________________ ------------------"Buddy Holly, the Texas Elvis"------------------ in.edu__________ |
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More anti-aluminum "facts"
In short, we _are_ worried about airplanes falling out of the sky due to
metal fatigue, and we monitor it closely now. Steel components on aircraft are also closely monitored for fatigue cracking and other inservice degredation. Be sure and put that on your website. Chris Neary "Science, freedom, beauty, adventu what more could you ask of life? Bicycling combined all the elements I loved" - Adapted from a quotation by Charles Lindbergh |
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bottle breaker
Zipping along, maybe at 20 mph or so, as it was a slight downhill. Not the
best of neighborhoods. Just after I went by, a young black man waiting at the bus stop broke a bottle and kicked the glass into the bike lane. My response: "Ya jerk!", and just continued down the street. Better response would have been? In hindsight, most of us can come up with a much better remark than we used at the time. However, sounds like you haven't been able to, and I really can't think of anything better either. Not sure I'd spend much time in that neighborhood though. Generally I don't worry about such things, but if you'd had a flat, it might not have been a comfortable environment. I assume you carry a cell phone? --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com |
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More anti-aluminum "facts"
I can think of others. For example, the Dawes Galaxy is made of steel
and is a very well built and specified touring bike. That's no more arbitrary than any other reason for choosing steel or any other material. Having had two frame fatigue failures on aluminium bikes, I'm inclined to mistrust aluminium for long-term use. I use my bikes every day. On the other hand, from the perspective of the shop owner, it was common knowledge (and I've also seen several first-hand) that Dawes Galaxys of a certain era tended to suffer broken chainstays due to defective chrome plating. But that doesn't mean the all did, nor is it an indication that steel is a poor material to make a frame from. It's just one more datapoint for the improbability matrix. Now where did Trillian go? :) --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com "Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message ... On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:53:23 -0700, Terry Morse wrote in message : The only valid reason I can think of for choosing steel for touring is that the frame can be repaired by just about anyone with a welding torch. I can think of others. For example, the Dawes Galaxy is made of steel and is a very well built and specified touring bike. That's no more arbitrary than any other reason for choosing steel or any other material. Having had two frame fatigue failures on aluminium bikes, I'm inclined to mistrust aluminium for long-term use. I use my bikes every day. -- Guy === May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University |
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bottle breaker
In article fjYhc.4779$YP5.441163@attbi_s02,
"Claire Petersky" writes: Zipping along, maybe at 20 mph or so, as it was a slight downhill. Not the best of neighborhoods. Just after I went by, a young black man waiting at the bus stop broke a bottle and kicked the glass into the bike lane. My response: "Ya jerk!", and just continued down the street. Better response would have been? If there was a bunch of ppl there, I'd have been inclined to stop and clean up the mess as well as I could. Both to shame the guy in front of everybody, and at least kick the glass aside and out of the bike lane for the next rider that comes along. good ride, Tom -- -- Powered by FreeBSD Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca |
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