LBS discounts?

Hello all,

Just wondering what sort of discount you expect or receive from your LBS
when you purchase a new bike. With a bit of wrangling, I had about 12% off
retail offered as the rock bottom discount for a new MTB, cleats, shoes and
bar ends.

A WA shop offers 15% for orders made over the web (although they cannot
actually sell Giant bikes over the web due to their reseller agreement).

What are other people's expectations or experience?

Tim