What a wonderful place to ride bike...

On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:38:29 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 12:15:11 PM UTC-7, wrote:
Jay, you chase ambulances ? got any good photos ?

I worked ambulance for six years, ending in '80. I have pictures, but nothing gory -- nothing like you can get on the internet with a casual search. Back in the day, it was black and whites from the CHP magazine or leafing through the album kept by one of the creepy deputy coroners (suicide by power drill was one of my favorites). We weren't whipping out cameras at accident scenes -- except rarely, because I had to get shots for a photo journalism class at SJSU.

As Frank knows, I transported THOUSANDS of injured cyclists, many of whom died in my arms, whimpering to me, "Oh Gawd, I shudda worn a helmet, now look at me. I'm dead" (cough, gak, gag, pfffffffff). Everyone who wore a helmet lived, even the heart attack victims who were just trying on a helmet at home. 100% reduction of all injuries and illness.

-- Jay Beattie.

At Last! An eye witness!
--
Cheers,

John B.

Am 30.07.2014 16:33, schrieb jbeattie:
On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 7:52:29 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:

It takes only a little knowledge and skill to make cycling
_tremendously_ safe.

Riders should be skilled and knowledgeable, but in my experience,
there is a low correlation between injury and knowledge/skill level.

The 'Cross' Study shows the opposite statistically:

As opposed to car driving where indeed there is little correlation
between injury ans skill level, bicycle riding is highly correlated.
The most common typical iunjury scenarios are only relevant for
inexperienced cyclists.

To bring only two data points:
10% of all cyclist fatalities in Germany (ca. 50 out of 500/year) are
due to right-turning trucks. By never being to the right of a
right-turning truck you can completely avoid this risk (but avoiding
this risk means you are forced to break the law of compulsory bicycle
sidewalks and bicycle lanes).

one more frequent cause of injuries is 'dooring'. By keeping 1.5m
distance to all parked cars you can completely avoid this type of
accident situation as well.

In both of these scenarios, the cyclist is injured by the mistake of a
different road user (so the cyclist is not responsible for being
injured) but in both situations, the cyclist has a possibility of
avoiding injury.

Rolf Mantel

On 7/31/2014 8:06 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 30.07.2014 16:33, schrieb jbeattie:
On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 7:52:29 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:

It takes only a little knowledge and skill to make cycling
_tremendously_ safe.

Riders should be skilled and knowledgeable, but in my experience,
there is a low correlation between injury and knowledge/skill level.

The 'Cross' Study shows the opposite statistically:

As opposed to car driving where indeed there is little correlation
between injury ans skill level, bicycle riding is highly correlated.
The most common typical iunjury scenarios are only relevant for
inexperienced cyclists.

To bring only two data points:
10% of all cyclist fatalities in Germany (ca. 50 out of 500/year) are
due to right-turning trucks. By never being to the right of a
right-turning truck you can completely avoid this risk (but avoiding
this risk means you are forced to break the law of compulsory bicycle
sidewalks and bicycle lanes).

one more frequent cause of injuries is 'dooring'. By keeping 1.5m
distance to all parked cars you can completely avoid this type of
accident situation as well.

In both of these scenarios, the cyclist is injured by the mistake of a
different road user (so the cyclist is not responsible for being
injured) but in both situations, the cyclist has a possibility of
avoiding injury.

And unfortunately, in both these scenarios the cyclist would have to
violate the law to avoid these injuries. At least in Quebec, cyclists
must ride to the extreme right. If the truck right hooks me it's the
truck's fault and he'll get a fine. If the driver doors me, it's the
driver's fault and he'll get an even smaller fine. If I move to the
left to avoid a possible door zone and get hit by the same truck going
straight, I'm at fault according to the law here. To find out what
"fault" has to do with it, ask Jay the local lawyer.


Don't misunderstand me, I'm all for violating stupid laws, especially
when they endanger me but my point is that it's not as simple as saying
that it's a matter of competency on the part of the cyclist.

Per Clive George:
You've now learned that your battery monitor app is talking ********
when it tells you to unplug your iDevice after 12 hours to prevent
overcharging.

My wife's iPad has been on the charger virtually 24-7 for about 3 years
now.

On the rare occasions when it gets taken off an runs on battery it seems
ok.

Granted, I haven't challenged the run time, but it seems to me like it
should be totally cooked by now if there was anything to the 12-hour
limit.
--
Pete Cresswell

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 2:08:18 PM UTC+1, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Clive George:

You've now learned that your battery monitor app is talking ********

when it tells you to unplug your iDevice after 12 hours to prevent

overcharging.



My wife's iPad has been on the charger virtually 24-7 for about 3 years

now.



On the rare occasions when it gets taken off an runs on battery it seems

ok.



Granted, I haven't challenged the run time, but it seems to me like it

should be totally cooked by now if there was anything to the 12-hour

limit.

--

Pete Cresswell

Oh, I didn't say the battery in my iPad or iPhone will last any longer than anyone else's. Clive George assumed that, and I couldn't be bothered to straighten him out. Taking devices off the charger is just something I do routinely. I do have some batteries that came with instructions not to leave them on the charger, including my big bike battery, so it's a useful habit.

Andre Jute

On 31/07/2014 15:45, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, July 31, 2014 2:08:18 PM UTC+1, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Clive George:

You've now learned that your battery monitor app is talking ********

when it tells you to unplug your iDevice after 12 hours to prevent

overcharging.



My wife's iPad has been on the charger virtually 24-7 for about 3 years

now.



On the rare occasions when it gets taken off an runs on battery it seems

ok.



Granted, I haven't challenged the run time, but it seems to me like it

should be totally cooked by now if there was anything to the 12-hour

limit.

--

Pete Cresswell

Oh, I didn't say the battery in my iPad or iPhone will last any longer than anyone else's. Clive George assumed that, and I couldn't be bothered to straighten him out. Taking devices off the charger is just something I do routinely. I do have some batteries that came with instructions not to leave them on the charger, including my big bike battery, so it's a useful habit.

Do I need to remind you again?

"The iPhone and iPad are charged through a buffer battery scaled to run
out of juice before their 12-hour overcharge limits are breached"

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 4:19:53 PM UTC+1, Clive George wrote:
On 31/07/2014 15:45, Andre Jute wrote:

Oh, I didn't say the battery in my iPad or iPhone will last any longer than anyone else's. Clive George assumed that, and I couldn't be bothered to straighten him out. Taking devices off the charger is just something I do routinely. I do have some batteries that came with instructions not to leave them on the charger, including my big bike battery, so it's a useful habit.

Do I need to remind you again?

Of what?

"The iPhone and iPad are charged through a buffer battery scaled to run
out of juice before their 12-hour overcharge limits are breached"

Yes, that's what I said. What I didn't say is that it makes my iPhone and iPad batteries last longer. You just assumed that, in your usual presumptuous manner, and made that the subtext of your exchange with me. As for the overcharge limit, I'd rather believe the creators of my battery monitor than you.

Are we done now?

Andre Jute

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 5:06:53 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 30.07.2014 16:33, schrieb jbeattie:

On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 7:52:29 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:



It takes only a little knowledge and skill to make cycling

_tremendously_ safe.



Riders should be skilled and knowledgeable, but in my experience,

there is a low correlation between injury and knowledge/skill level.



The 'Cross' Study shows the opposite statistically:



As opposed to car driving where indeed there is little correlation

between injury ans skill level, bicycle riding is highly correlated.

The most common typical iunjury scenarios are only relevant for

inexperienced cyclists.



To bring only two data points:

10% of all cyclist fatalities in Germany (ca. 50 out of 500/year) are

due to right-turning trucks. By never being to the right of a

right-turning truck you can completely avoid this risk (but avoiding

this risk means you are forced to break the law of compulsory bicycle

sidewalks and bicycle lanes).



one more frequent cause of injuries is 'dooring'. By keeping 1.5m

distance to all parked cars you can completely avoid this type of

accident situation as well.



In both of these scenarios, the cyclist is injured by the mistake of a

different road user (so the cyclist is not responsible for being

injured) but in both situations, the cyclist has a possibility of

avoiding injury.



Rolf Mantel

The right turning truck scenario can be a simple right hook -- you get passed by a vehicle which then turns right. One can get passed even when taking the lane. In fact, I was taking the lane two days ago, got passed by a truck that promptly turned right. If I had a RPG, I would have used it.

Then there is putting yourself (legally) in harms way. The Tracy Sparling incident that resulted in the green boxes in Portland. http://blog.oregonlive.com/pdxgreen/...rtland_in.html
That can happen to a skilled cyclist or pedestrian if a truck is not signalling or indicating a turn by position in the lane.

I ride in the door zone every day because I'm unwilling to sit in long lines of MV traffic stacked up at light after light. That is risk taking, but I watch carefully. It's like riding through a herd of cows, which I have also done. You have to predict movement while at the same time avoid scaring the wildlife.

-- Jay Beattie.

On 31/07/2014 17:29, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, July 31, 2014 4:19:53 PM UTC+1, Clive George wrote:
On 31/07/2014 15:45, Andre Jute wrote:

Oh, I didn't say the battery in my iPad or iPhone will last any longer than anyone else's. Clive George assumed that, and I couldn't be bothered to straighten him out. Taking devices off the charger is just something I do routinely. I do have some batteries that came with instructions not to leave them on the charger, including my big bike battery, so it's a useful habit.

Do I need to remind you again?

Of what?

"The iPhone and iPad are charged through a buffer battery scaled to run
out of juice before their 12-hour overcharge limits are breached"

Yes, that's what I said. What I didn't say is that it makes my iPhone and iPad batteries last longer. You just assumed that, in your usual presumptuous manner, and made that the subtext of your exchange with me. As for the overcharge limit, I'd rather believe the creators of my battery monitor than you.

Did Apple create your battery monitor? Is there documentation from Apple
saying there's a 12 hour overcharge limit?

There's certainly rumours about it, but if you look into them they've
got no supporting evidence. Knowing a little bit about how best to
handle charge in lithium batteries helps understand why. Apple know
this, which is why there's no instructions from them about it.

The creators of your battery app are fallible humans like the rest of
us. They're probably responsible for spreading the rumour, but that
doesn't make it well founded.

Are we done now?

Depends if you're going to have the grace to accept that something
you've written isn't right.

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 5:50:07 PM UTC+1, Clive George wrote:
On 31/07/2014 17:29, Andre Jute wrote:

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 4:19:53 PM UTC+1, Clive George wrote:

On 31/07/2014 15:45, Andre Jute wrote:



Oh, I didn't say the battery in my iPad or iPhone will last any longer than anyone else's. Clive George assumed that, and I couldn't be bothered to straighten him out. Taking devices off the charger is just something I do routinely. I do have some batteries that came with instructions not to leave them on the charger, including my big bike battery, so it's a useful habit.



Do I need to remind you again?



Of what?



"The iPhone and iPad are charged through a buffer battery scaled to run

out of juice before their 12-hour overcharge limits are breached"



Yes, that's what I said. What I didn't say is that it makes my iPhone and iPad batteries last longer. You just assumed that, in your usual presumptuous manner, and made that the subtext of your exchange with me. As for the overcharge limit, I'd rather believe the creators of my battery monitor than you.



Did Apple create your battery monitor? Is there documentation from Apple

saying there's a 12 hour overcharge limit?



There's certainly rumours about it, but if you look into them they've

got no supporting evidence. Knowing a little bit about how best to

handle charge in lithium batteries helps understand why. Apple know

this, which is why there's no instructions from them about it.



The creators of your battery app are fallible humans like the rest of

us. They're probably responsible for spreading the rumour, but that

doesn't make it well founded.



Are we done now?



Depends if you're going to have the grace to accept that something

you've written isn't right.

Nah, I don't think so, Clive. I'd rather believe these anonymous Chinese than you, any day of the week. It has nothing to do with grace, but with past experience with you: you're wrong too frequently for me to have any faith in what you say or think, and your insistence on scoring points doesn't generate credibility either. Too bad. Ciao.

Minor techie kibitzing
quibling at the edges
a mouse nibbling
-- Haiku by Andre Jute