OT Flame War

Edward Dolan wrote:

"gavin11756" wrote in
message ...

Hitler indeed had courage. He won the Iron cross twice in WW1. His
country was ruined by the Versailles treaty which the British though
was bad, and the "you know who " had a lot to do with ruining the
country.

German troops popular in Russia as they hated Stalin


The downtrodden of the Soviet Union initially welcomed the Germans as
liberators. If Hitler had played his cards different the outcome could have
been different.

By the way, does any liberal know who killed more people in the course of
their rule, the National Socialist Hitler or the Communist Stalin?

Stalin was a communist in name only.

If we take various estimates of deaths due to various purges under
Stalin, we end up with a range of 15-30 million, which is greater than
the 5-7 million that died under Hitler in similar circumstances.

However, weighed against this is the number of deaths caused by Hitler
waging war in Europe which has been estimated to be in excess of 40
million (25-30 million, or about 1 in every 8 in the Soviet Union alone).

--
Tom Sherman

Mark Leuck wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Flame me if you will but the stats do not support your opinion. You can
argue HOW it is being administered but not that it isn't available, now

if

you don't mind I must throw up for agreeing with Mr Ed

So when was the last time you were homeless, Mr. Leuck?


A little over 15 years ago...

Under what circumstances (since the information was volunteered)?

--
Tom Sherman

Jeff Wills wrote:

(Kurt Fischer) wrote in message ...

There are more bikes than inhabitants
in this country.

Kurt


That's because half of them are at the bottom of the canals, having
been stolen and dumped. At least that's what the tour guide told us
when my wife and I visited Amsterdam...

But the tires on these bicycles may still be inflated.
http://sheldonbrown.org/bicycle.html,
http://sheldonbrown.org/images/Rusty_Schwinn.JPEG.

--
Tom Sherman

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Ogg Oggibly who? wrote:


My name is Oggibly. My friends call me Ogg. You can call me Oggibly.

"G. Morgan" wrote in message
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!

Frank, you're not going to let him get away with that RU?


Yup... He's a cretin. Rational people ignore idiotic ravings in favour of
informed debate. Mr. Dolan continues to spout nonsense about the Muslim
faith based on supposition, hatred, and the actions of a small minority. He
spouts lies and innuendo about people he's never met based on nothing more
than "if they don't think like me, they're traitors". He continues to do
absolutely *nothing* but make funny faces in front of his computer monitor
while letting others fight the "war" he so strongly favours.

"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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The Koran is what anyone wants to make of it. So is the Bible.
Christians stopped making a horror of the Bible several centuries ago.

Oh?? Really?? How do you explain the Biblical "horrors" of this century
then?? David Koresh. Jim Jones. Bountiful.

The horrors of this century are all being committed by Muslims. The
horrors of the last century, which you reference, were very small cults,
aberrations of Christianity.

Bountiful is still in full operation. The men there are abusing girls as
young as eleven and twelve. I guess living in isolation in *Minnesota*
tends to make you fell all warm and fuzzy.


However, the main horrors of the last century were committed by leftist
ideologues, like Hitler and Stalin and Mao, etc. In other words, they were
like you that way since you are also nothing but a leftist ideologue.

Hmmm... Ever heard of Robert Pickton??



The Muslims are still making a horror of their Koran.

So are people that espouse Christianity.

Not right now today they aren't.

"Bountiful"...



"Islam" (as a religion) is open to interpretation just as
Chrisianity is. God gave us the ability to reason and the freedom to
interpret His Word. Individuals that choose to "spin" that Word
abound. "Extremists" exist in *every* faith. You can't condemn an
entire people because of the actions of a few insane individuals.

The very great numbers of Muslims who are choosing to interpret their
religion one way as opposed to another way are never just a few, but
rather constitute the vast majority in various regions of the world,
most particularly in the Middle East.

And this premise is based on what statistical evidence??

The great statistic of believing what you see with your own two eyes.

Ahhh... then your "word" is "law"... :-))
My mistake for not recognizing your "greatness".



The same goes for Tom Sherman who prefers to bash Christianity and
refer us to cartoon sites making jokes of hanging women and stoning
children in lieu of condemning these atrocities.

Islamic fundamentalism isn't responsible for these atrocities. Men
(and even some women) are.

But all those men (and women) turn out to be Muslims. Most peculiar? Or
just coincidental?

Of course they are!!! We're talking about *Islamic* fundamentalism. Not
Sikh, Hindu, or even Christian...



It is precisely and exactly Islamic fundamentalism that is indeed
responsible for the atrocities that Muslims are committing in the world
today. What men think matters and religious thought gone astray is just
as dangerous as any other kind of thought gone astray, maybe more so.

You obviously don't know how a "fundamentalist" interprets the Quran.

Sure I do. It is a simple religion for simple people. Anyone who is not an
idiot like you can understand it.

L. Ron Hubbard did it... I figure I can come up with a religion for idiots
too...



We've already covered the point there is not much you can do about
what is happening in other counties. As I told you earlier at least
you could speak up, take a stand, and condemn the abuse. You could
even do that now if wished.

I've always believed that "actions are louder than words". I find it
funny that people like you (and Mr. Dolan) would "insist" I "take a
stand" or condemn a certain action (or religion) to prove I'm "worthy"
or "a patriotic American". I'm one voice in a cosmic fugue (perhaps
not as strident as Mr. Dolan's, but at least I'm not horribly "off
key").

You are an apologist for a religion that is an abomination. To equate
Islam with Christianity is your biggest mistake.

I *never* have "equated" one with the other.

You do nothing but that. You are doing it in this present post of yours.
Muslims commit murders, so do Christians. Blah, blah, blah. How tiresome!

Heh... pointing out that there are "bad apples" in every bunch means I'm
"equating" a "Golden Delicious" with a "MacIntosh"...



One has evolved into a universal religion worthy of all mankind and the
other has never evolved and is suited only for savages.

And you sir are blind. I'm surprised actually. I thought you capable of
at least a semblance of intelligence.

Flattery will get you nowhere with me. You must appeal to my intellect if
you would get through to me.

I wasn't "trying" to flatter anyone. I was merely observing a stunning
inconsistency. It's like watching molecules fly apart...



Ogg has already shown to you what they are capable of when it comes to
their treatment of women.

Ogg has shown me what *men* are capable of. *Men* are capable of the
same thing in North America (and they're not necessarily Muslim either).

Nope, we Christians and other civilized types do not stone anyone, let
alone little girls, for having "dishonored" some male ape with a bit of
sexual experimentation.

No. Some "Christian" faiths espouse shunning the individual. Some...
well... you still haven't looked up or read anything about "Bountiful",
have you??


Frank, you g.d. blockhead, you are a ****ing idiot and I am really getting
fed up with you. You may yet force me to go to a dictionary of invective
to get some new names to call you. Just calling you an idiot doesn't do
justice to what you are.

Ed. Pardon me but your ignorance is in full flower with this post.



9/11 has shown the entire world what they are capable of in their
treatment of non-Muslims - and all in the name of their religion.

9/11 demonstrated what a few sick twisted individuals are capable of when
working in concert. I'm sure you'll continue to "extol their bravery",
but the bottom line is they were fanatics as well as Terrorists.
Reasonable men do not strap 10 lbs of Semtex to their toros and walk up
to a bus load of kids to blow it up. You should read a bit more on the
psychology the Terrorists employ at their so called "training camps".
The men and women that "voluteer" themselves for immolation are not
rational beings.

Men who are religious fanatics do exactly what we see them doing. Today it
is only Muslims who embody this degree of fanaticism.

Wrong.


They are not crazy and they are brave and courageous. They are giving
their lives for a cause that they believe in.

Heh.... Ed figures anyone that straps a bomb to their chest so they can
wipe out a busload of kids is "brave" and "courageous".



Time to wake up Frank and touch reality before you find yourself flying
through the ether, just another victim of a "sick twisted individual."
Now please excuse me while I go to the smallest room in my house and puke
while I think of you and your ****ed up philosophy.

What's your address?? I'll FedEx some wet-wipes.



It is their despicable religion that motivates them in almost everything
they think and do.

The Christian faith has been responsible for more atrocities than I can
list here. But do go on...

But not lately. And lately is all I care about at the moment.


"Bountiful"...

"G. Morgan" wrote in message
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On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:15:46 -0600 "Edward Dolan"
used 138 lines of text to write in newsgroup:
alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent

You may yet force me to go to a dictionary
of invective to get some new names to call you. Just calling you an idiot
doesn't do justice to what you are.


http://www.mikegallay.com/prisspec.html

Many thanks Graham. You have come to my rescue just in the nick of time as I
am running out of words to throw at the cretins infesting this newsgroup. I
will save that web site to my Favorites and will resort to it as the
occasion demands. Look for some new and fresh name calling from me in the
near future.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:51:39 GMT "Frank Olson"
used 17 lines of text to write in newsgroup:
alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent

"G. Morgan" wrote in message
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!

Frank, you're not going to let him get away with that RU?


Yup... He's a cretin. Rational people ignore idiotic ravings in favour of
informed debate. Mr. Dolan continues to spout nonsense about the Muslim
faith based on supposition, hatred, and the actions of a small minority. He
spouts lies and innuendo about people he's never met based on nothing more
than "if they don't think like me, they're traitors". He continues to do
absolutely *nothing* but make funny faces in front of his computer monitor
while letting others fight the "war" he so strongly favours.


Funny thing about the Internet, it has enabled people you would
normally never hear from to express their views (however skewed they
may be). These might be the types that are shirtless on a street
corner, ringing a cowbell, proclaiming "The end is near!". Or they
may be a well respected figure in their community - they could be a
health worker, an executive, a blue collar tradesman, military
personnel, you name it.


Modern technology has allowed their opinions (or rants) to appear
right in your own home, in the form of electrons dancing across your
screen. Everybody has an opinion about religion, morality, politics,
world affairs, gay-marrage, drug legalization, etc...


The one thing I have YET to see is someone responding to a person on
the virtual soapbox and say, "You're right. My view on that issue was
wrong, thank you for setting me straight." It just does not happen.


There is an interesting sociological lesson in here somewhere. People
don't come to Usenet topics like this to "debate". They come to vent
frustration. They come to entertain themselves. Some just want
someone to listen to them. I'm fairly certain no one actually
believes they can change someone's mind about these issues.

That said, get off your ass and don't let ED call you a ****ed-up
cowardly girly-man!


--
-Graham

Remove the 'snails' from my email

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Mark Leuck wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Flame me if you will but the stats do not support your opinion. You can
argue HOW it is being administered but not that it isn't available, now

if

you don't mind I must throw up for agreeing with Mr Ed

So when was the last time you were homeless, Mr. Leuck?


A little over 15 years ago...

Under what circumstances (since the information was volunteered)?

--
Tom Sherman

Various reasons, mostly stupid things I did over a 5 year period, funny
thing tho is you see many of the others in the same situation and almost all
were there because of the following reasons

1. That was the life they chose (yes Tom those people do exist)
2. Alcoholism
3. Drug abuse

(my reasons were not any of those)

Now you can "think" all you want that the homeless are nothing but old men,
women and children forced out by an oppressive government or cruel business
hell-bent on starving them out of existance but I assure you that isn't the
case, if you want proof go to any soup kitchen (nice one in N. Vegas) and
talk to the people, ever been to one?

They can easily get out of that situation yet they don't and won't. I don't
know where you get your information but it is clearly wrong about many
things based on my own experience and government statistics, my guess is you
want to believe it regardless if it is factual or not and why this is I
don't know. I also believe you have an exceptional knowledge of recumbents,
now if you could put that same passion to the rest of society you might
change your mind about a few things

(my opinion)

On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 23:32:32 -0600 "Edward Dolan"
used 26 lines of text to write in newsgroup:
alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent

Many thanks Graham. You have come to my rescue just in the nick of time as I
am running out of words to throw at the cretins infesting this newsgroup. I
will save that web site to my Favorites and will resort to it as the
occasion demands. Look for some new and fresh name calling from me in the
near future.

That's the spirit Ed! :~)



--
-Graham

Remove the 'snails' from my email