VDB admits doping...?

Clovis Lark wrote:
It's generally accepted that tigers are not completely tameable. In the wild
they will eat humans, by design.


Not unless forced or "trained" by conditions. Read awl about it:

http://www.seaworld.org/infobooks/Tiger/diettiger.html



Maybe he was frustrated by the remarkable shortage of available
sambar, chital, sika deer, swamp deer, hog deer, antelope, buffalo, guar,
peafowl, monkeys, civets, porcupines, fish, frogs, crabs, large monitor lizards,
pythons, young elephants or rhinos.

Either that, or the recent SARS epidemic made him wary of wild game like
civit.

Dan

"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in
t:

I wasn't talking about super-athletic flies, persay, just that it will
be possible to morph humans into beings that most of us may consider
to be non-human.

snip

Fruit fly36%
Mouse90%
Roundworm21%
Yeast23%
Thale cress15%
Zebrafish85%
E coli7%
Chimp98%
Rat90%


Everyone assumes such genetic engineering will be used to improve
athletic performance, yet I suspect experiments are already underway that
transplant the brain DNA of Fruit Flies, Roundworms, and Yeast into human
subjects. The proof of this exists because it causes a person to post
about his broken Bianchi frame or make other inane arguments in NGs.

NS

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

Goddamm, you're stupid.

From:
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletic...609912,00.html

The gene genie is out of the bottle

It is sport's doomsday scenario: a new wave of performance-enhancing
drugs whose use is utterly undetectable. And, according to the
scientists and world

doping experts who met at a special conference in London yesterday,
that doomsday is already nigh.

The key, they say, is genetic manipulation. By the Athens Olympics in
2004, dozens if not hundreds of athletes are expected to have
experimented with the rapidly emerging range of gene-altering drugs.
Unfettered by fears of being caught they will, according to the
experts, shatter the accepted limits of human performance.

No.

Maybe by the _next_ Athens Olympics, but not these ones. The technology is
not there yet. What you quoted was an ill-informed piece of fluff.

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

They can change genes in your body, system-wide, on the go, with those
techniques. The genes of a chimpanzee differ from a human by 2%.


On the go, huh? Care to explain how they accomplish that?

BTW, genetic vaccines have been the subject of talk among the pro
racers. Of course, they're generally not happy about the prospect,
although it doesn't seem like anyone is suspected of it (yet).

Of course not, it's not possible yet. And won't be possible in the manner
you're outlining in this lifetime.

I know you're trolling.

Nick Burns wrote:

As if we now know how to write DNA? Right, just do a little cut and
paste. I don't think so!

The DNA part is as simple as a little cut and paste...if you know where to
cut. It's the other technical aspects of the procedure that are out of our
grasp, and will be for quite a while.

TritonRider wrote:

Chris do you really expect racers to wait until there are good
documented studies to use these techniques? They are going to shoot
up whatever they think will give them an advantage, no matter if it's
tested or not. The ugly results are not 50-100 years away. They are
tomorrow's headlines. Henry is right on the money on this one.

Incorrect. What are they going to do, break into Dr. Rosenthal's lab and
steal the vector that contributed to the Schwatzenegger mice? Gene therapy
will have to be tailored to each patient's situation and condition, and
custom designed. There will be no stockpile for experimentation. VDB would
have to convert his drug fridge into a molecular biology lab.

From: "Kyle Legate"

Maybe by the _next_ Athens Olympics, but not these ones. The technology is
not there yet. What you quoted was an ill-informed piece of fluff.

Kyle it may not be proven to be effective, but look how much **** people are
pumping into themselves without any clinical proof that it helps. This stuff
has the greatest probablilty for undetectable gains that anything has ever had.
Doesn't matter whether anything has been proven yet, racers will attempt to use
this technology based on the possibility that it might help.
Elite athletes tend to become blind to everything but their ambitions. If they
looked at things objectively the wouldn't do it, but in sports nothing is
objective.
Bill C

From: "Kyle Legate"

Incorrect. What are they going to do, break into Dr. Rosenthal's lab and
steal the vector that contributed to the Schwatzenegger mice? Gene therapy
will have to be tailored to each patient's situation and condition, and
custom designed. There will be no stockpile for experimentation. VDB would
have to convert his drug fridge into a molecular biology lab.



Kyle, what do microbiologists make for a salary? ****, compared to what they
are worth. Selling the promise of benefits, even if you don't deliver will make
them more money in one year than they would in ten in the lab.
Some of them will sell out snakeoil.
Bill C

"TritonRider" wrote in message
...
From: "Kyle Legate"

Maybe by the _next_ Athens Olympics, but not these ones. The technology
is
not there yet. What you quoted was an ill-informed piece of fluff.

Kyle it may not be proven to be effective, but look how much **** people
are
pumping into themselves without any clinical proof that it helps. This
stuff
has the greatest probablilty for undetectable gains that anything has ever
had.
Doesn't matter whether anything has been proven yet, racers will attempt
to use
this technology based on the possibility that it might help.
Elite athletes tend to become blind to everything but their ambitions. If
they
looked at things objectively the wouldn't do it, but in sports nothing is
objective.
Bill C

It seems to me that there are 2 different assertions being made. If you and
Hank want to talk about the crazy **** people will try in efforts to cheat,
then that is one discussion. Actual performance benefits are a different
matter entirely.

The next Athens Olympics. LOL, exactly.

It seems to me that there are 2 different assertions being made. If you and
Hank want to talk about the crazy **** people will try in efforts to cheat,
then that is one discussion. Actual performance benefits are a different
matter entirely.

The next Athens Olympics. LOL, exactly.


Unfortunately Chris,
I think that the negatives are going to bite us sooner, and later. What scares
me is the birth defects that may be caused down the road by failed/careless
genetic manipulation attempts. I really think this is going to end up being off
the scale ugly, until the science matures.
Bill C