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Old November 2nd 04, 12:13 PM
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John Forrest Tomlinson Wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:14:32 GMT, "B. Lafferty"
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"John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:46:25 GMT, "B. Lafferty"
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Machines in the 1980s were in the 17lb-18lb range.

That was not typical, most top-level racing bikes were heavier..


I should probably revise that up a bit. But, in 1978 I bought an
Austro-Daimler Ultima (Reynold 531 with full Campy Super Record) in a

62cm
frame and it weighed just under 20lbs.


I don't believe it. Unless it was some particulary rare configuration
of 531 your scales were off

JT

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I saw (held) some of those Ultra-Light 531 bikes (albeit 58cm and
less). Considering the frame isn't the end-all of bike weigth I believe
his claim easily. I also know that Van Impe, Merckx, Zoetemelk and Breu
used ultralight "climbing"-bikes wich were around 7 kgs or so. I assume
that other pros as Ocana, Thevenet, Hinault, Martin, Seznec and
Agostinho had comparable material.


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Old November 2nd 04, 12:13 PM
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John Forrest Tomlinson Wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:14:32 GMT, "B. Lafferty"
wrote:


"John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:46:25 GMT, "B. Lafferty"
wrote:

Machines in the 1980s were in the 17lb-18lb range.

That was not typical, most top-level racing bikes were heavier..


I should probably revise that up a bit. But, in 1978 I bought an
Austro-Daimler Ultima (Reynold 531 with full Campy Super Record) in a

62cm
frame and it weighed just under 20lbs.


I don't believe it. Unless it was some particulary rare configuration
of 531 your scales were off

JT

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I saw (held) some of those Ultra-Light 531 bikes (albeit 58cm and
less). Considering the frame isn't the end-all of bike weigth I believe
his claim easily. I also know that Van Impe, Merckx, Zoetemelk and Breu
used ultralight "climbing"-bikes wich were around 7 kgs or so. I assume
that other pros as Ocana, Thevenet, Hinault, Martin, Seznec and
Agostinho had comparable material.


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Old November 2nd 04, 11:31 PM
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"Tuschinski" wrote in
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John Forrest Tomlinson Wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:14:32 GMT, "B. Lafferty"
wrote:
"John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:46:25 GMT, "B. Lafferty"
wrote:

Machines in the 1980s were in the 17lb-18lb range.

That was not typical, most top-level racing bikes were heavier..

I should probably revise that up a bit. But, in 1978 I bought an
Austro-Daimler Ultima (Reynold 531 with full Campy Super Record) in a
62cm frame and it weighed just under 20lbs.


I don't believe it. Unless it was some particulary rare configuration
of 531 your scales were off


I saw (held) some of those Ultra-Light 531 bikes (albeit 58cm and
less). Considering the frame isn't the end-all of bike weigth I believe
his claim easily. I also know that Van Impe, Merckx, Zoetemelk and Breu
used ultralight "climbing"-bikes wich were around 7 kgs or so. I assume
that other pros as Ocana, Thevenet, Hinault, Martin, Seznec and
Agostinho had comparable material.


I was at the top of Palomares Rd one time and there was some old guy there
riding a Swiss bike (forget the brand.) It was a 6-speed friction shifter
and the wheels didn't look particularly light and it had a leather saddle on
it. While talking he claimed that the bike was 18 lbs. I lifted it and
believe me, if it wasn't 18 lbs it was DAMNED close.

I had a new bike with DuraAce, STI shifters and all, and weighed in at 24
lbs.


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Old November 2nd 04, 11:31 PM
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"Tuschinski" wrote in
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John Forrest Tomlinson Wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:14:32 GMT, "B. Lafferty"
wrote:
"John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:46:25 GMT, "B. Lafferty"
wrote:

Machines in the 1980s were in the 17lb-18lb range.

That was not typical, most top-level racing bikes were heavier..

I should probably revise that up a bit. But, in 1978 I bought an
Austro-Daimler Ultima (Reynold 531 with full Campy Super Record) in a
62cm frame and it weighed just under 20lbs.


I don't believe it. Unless it was some particulary rare configuration
of 531 your scales were off


I saw (held) some of those Ultra-Light 531 bikes (albeit 58cm and
less). Considering the frame isn't the end-all of bike weigth I believe
his claim easily. I also know that Van Impe, Merckx, Zoetemelk and Breu
used ultralight "climbing"-bikes wich were around 7 kgs or so. I assume
that other pros as Ocana, Thevenet, Hinault, Martin, Seznec and
Agostinho had comparable material.


I was at the top of Palomares Rd one time and there was some old guy there
riding a Swiss bike (forget the brand.) It was a 6-speed friction shifter
and the wheels didn't look particularly light and it had a leather saddle on
it. While talking he claimed that the bike was 18 lbs. I lifted it and
believe me, if it wasn't 18 lbs it was DAMNED close.

I had a new bike with DuraAce, STI shifters and all, and weighed in at 24
lbs.


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Old November 3rd 04, 02:49 AM
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"Tom Kunich" wrote in message
nk.net...

I was at the top of Palomares Rd one time and there was some old guy there
riding a Swiss bike (forget the brand.) It was a 6-speed friction shifter
and the wheels didn't look particularly light and it had a leather saddle

on
it. While talking he claimed that the bike was 18 lbs. I lifted it and
believe me, if it wasn't 18 lbs it was DAMNED close.

I had a new bike with DuraAce, STI shifters and all, and weighed in at 24
lbs.



Was it a Cilo or a Villiger? Just wondering...

James


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Old November 3rd 04, 02:49 AM
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"Tom Kunich" wrote in message
nk.net...

I was at the top of Palomares Rd one time and there was some old guy there
riding a Swiss bike (forget the brand.) It was a 6-speed friction shifter
and the wheels didn't look particularly light and it had a leather saddle

on
it. While talking he claimed that the bike was 18 lbs. I lifted it and
believe me, if it wasn't 18 lbs it was DAMNED close.

I had a new bike with DuraAce, STI shifters and all, and weighed in at 24
lbs.



Was it a Cilo or a Villiger? Just wondering...

James


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Old November 4th 04, 03:32 AM
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"James P. Spooner" wrote in message
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"Tom Kunich" wrote in message
nk.net...

I was at the top of Palomares Rd one time and there was some old guy
there
riding a Swiss bike (forget the brand.) It was a 6-speed friction shifter
and the wheels didn't look particularly light and it had a leather saddle

on
it. While talking he claimed that the bike was 18 lbs. I lifted it and
believe me, if it wasn't 18 lbs it was DAMNED close.

I had a new bike with DuraAce, STI shifters and all, and weighed in at 24
lbs.


Was it a Cilo or a Villiger? Just wondering...


Neither - It was painted sort of a sky blue which I seem to remember was the
'house' color of that brand. I seem to remember that it was fairly common in
the USA for awhile but by then it was difficult to get parts for since it
used a Swiss bottom bracket.



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Old November 4th 04, 03:32 AM
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"James P. Spooner" wrote in message
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"Tom Kunich" wrote in message
nk.net...

I was at the top of Palomares Rd one time and there was some old guy
there
riding a Swiss bike (forget the brand.) It was a 6-speed friction shifter
and the wheels didn't look particularly light and it had a leather saddle

on
it. While talking he claimed that the bike was 18 lbs. I lifted it and
believe me, if it wasn't 18 lbs it was DAMNED close.

I had a new bike with DuraAce, STI shifters and all, and weighed in at 24
lbs.


Was it a Cilo or a Villiger? Just wondering...


Neither - It was painted sort of a sky blue which I seem to remember was the
'house' color of that brand. I seem to remember that it was fairly common in
the USA for awhile but by then it was difficult to get parts for since it
used a Swiss bottom bracket.



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Old November 4th 04, 03:15 PM
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On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 02:32:05 GMT, "Tom Kunich"
wrote:

Neither - It was painted sort of a sky blue which I seem to remember was the
'house' color of that brand. I seem to remember that it was fairly common in
the USA for awhile but by then it was difficult to get parts for since it
used a Swiss bottom bracket.


There was once a bike called the Alpine that favored sky blue and had
a red cross on white as a badge. Remember a few racing bikes and road
tandems, but a Google doesn't show them anymore. Not sure if they
still exist (evidence is that they don't) or whether they had a team.

Problem with the U.S. cycling scene in the 70s was that a local
importer like Pinto could make a brand appear relative common, even if
they're presence elsewhere was minimal to non-existent. Never saw
Alpines outside of the Washington, DC area.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Old November 4th 04, 03:15 PM
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On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 02:32:05 GMT, "Tom Kunich"
wrote:

Neither - It was painted sort of a sky blue which I seem to remember was the
'house' color of that brand. I seem to remember that it was fairly common in
the USA for awhile but by then it was difficult to get parts for since it
used a Swiss bottom bracket.


There was once a bike called the Alpine that favored sky blue and had
a red cross on white as a badge. Remember a few racing bikes and road
tandems, but a Google doesn't show them anymore. Not sure if they
still exist (evidence is that they don't) or whether they had a team.

Problem with the U.S. cycling scene in the 70s was that a local
importer like Pinto could make a brand appear relative common, even if
they're presence elsewhere was minimal to non-existent. Never saw
Alpines outside of the Washington, DC area.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
 




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