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  #21  
Old May 23rd 19, 03:53 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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Default Another racing cyclist that cannot handle a hill, dies.

On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 8:13:15 PM UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Simon Jester wrote:
On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 5:58:25 PM UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2019 16:07:23 GMT, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

JNugent wrote:
On 22/05/2019 15:02, GB wrote:
On 21/05/2019 19:03, MrCheerful wrote:
another million quid of taxpayers money wasted.

A million quid to take him to hospital, give him some resusc.,
and pronounce him dead? Why?


https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...clist-killed-b
irmingham-velo-2019-16308063

Where oes the million pounds figure come from?

I think that GB has personal health problems from what I've read.
He was always okay on newsgroups, but has turned a bit nasty
recently. I don't know him, but I wish him all the best.


What's your excuse, Chiselman?

I was being serious regarding a respected poster


'Respected poster' = someone who agrees with you.


Not at all, we have disagreed many times. But not always here.

who I have read for many years.


I have been here for 25 years.


Bravo.


Back then the discussions were more civilised because the internet was mainly limited to educated professionals. Now even lorry drivers, Liverpudlians(aka Thieving Scallies) and football fans have computers so the discussion has been dragged down to your level.




You are obviously too stupid to understand this.


And we are back to the playground insults.


Nope.

Now, just go **** off, you stupid lump of **** and don't come back.


This is a cycling group.


Why do you snip?
What are you scared of?


What did I snip?


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  #22  
Old May 23rd 19, 08:20 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
MrCheerful
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Default Another racing cyclist that cannot handle a hill, dies.

On 22/05/2019 21:32, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2019 18:00:46 GMT, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

GB wrote:
On 22/05/2019 17:07, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

I think that GB has personal health problems from what I've read.
He was always okay on newsgroups, but has turned a bit nasty
recently.

Good point. There's no reason to be ghastly to others just because
my life has taken a turn for the worse.

We have had our differences, but I've always respected your point of
view - even if I did not agree with it


I'm hoping I'll go through a couple of major operations and emerge
more or less okay. Or I'll die, which is second best but okay. It's
the third possibility of surviving but broken that is so upsetting.
I know that people do soldier on with terrible problems, and I
admire them for having the courage, but I'm dreading that outcome.
Definitely DNR.

I don't know him, but I wish him all the best.

Thanks. Appreciated.

All of my hopes, and I do know what DNR means.


Do Not Resuscitate. HTH.


Did you actually understand my above posting where I said that I understood
it?
Was my posting too difficult for you?




Oi! He is saving the planet and is considerably richer than you.
  #23  
Old May 24th 19, 10:55 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Kerr-Mudd,John[_2_]
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Default Another racing cyclist that cannot handle a hill, dies.

On Wed, 22 May 2019 20:26:53 GMT, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2019 19:13:09 GMT, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:


Why do you snip?


snipping is good

What are you scared of?

Yet another abusive post from a chisel-wielding bullyboy? Pah.


Oh dear!
Well, here is another one to upset your tiny cycling brain.
**** off.

As rational as ever.



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Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
  #24  
Old May 24th 19, 10:57 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Kerr-Mudd,John[_2_]
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Default Another racing cyclist that cannot handle a hill, dies.

On Thu, 23 May 2019 09:43:08 GMT, Simon Mason
wrote:

On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 7:00:52 PM UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire

wrote:


All of my hopes, and I do know what DNR means.


Do not resuscitate.

I fell for this one as well.


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Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
  #25  
Old May 27th 19, 12:11 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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Default Another racing cyclist that cannot handle a hill, dies.

On 22/05/2019 17:54, Simon Jester wrote:
On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 5:20:50 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 22/05/2019 17:12, MrCheerful wrote:

On 22/05/2019 15:56, JNugent wrote:
On 22/05/2019 15:02, GB wrote:
On 21/05/2019 19:03, MrCheerful wrote:


another million quid of taxpayers money wasted.

A million quid to take him to hospital, give him some resusc.,¬* and
pronounce him dead? Why?

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...-2019-16308063

Where oes the million pounds figure come from?

according to this site:
http://www.makingthelink.net/tools/c...road-accidents
it is now 1.69 million


QUOTE:
"Cost of a fatal casualty (all ages) - including lost output, medical
and ambulance costs and human costs"
ENDQUOTE

Yes but... that's the estimate (ie, made-up) average cost of a road
accident fatality. It includes - and this is important - an estimated
value of the deceased person's rest of life productivity, which must be
quite difficult to estimate accurately. So that bit of the figure has to
be taken with a few pinches of salt.

It also includes "human costs" which means that a value is put on the
distress and losses caused to bereaved relatives, friends, etc. I can
see that in these touch-feely days, one would want to value such losses,
but whether it ought to be done in money - and how that should be done
anyway - is far from clear.

Overall, it does not mean that £1,690,000 is the value of emergency
services expended on dealing with the incident. The figure for "lost
output" will be the biggest part of it. Most of it will be expended or
incurred even if no emergency services are involved.


Wow! I actually agree with you for once, I think.

The Hospital and staff will be there. The Paramedics will be on duty. The only costs are consumables.

If I chose to drive to work tomorrow the costs are fuel and parking.
I own a car so the fixed costs have to be paid whether I use it or not.


Car tax, insurance, MOT and annual service are spent anyway.


The same error of logic is sometimes made when it is pointed out
(erroneously) that it costs £nn,nnn a year to keep a prisoner in custody
in an effort to argue that a particular offender (or category of
offender) should not get a custodial.

The figures which are quoted might or might not, be accurate as the
average cost when all overheads are taken into account, but they are an
average, not a marginal, calculation.

If the figure were (say) £50,000, it would not cost an extra £50,000 to
squeeze in an extra guest at the Wandsworth Hotel. Neither would it save
£50,000 to let one of them check out early. Most of the cost is in
overheads and would not change much.


  #26  
Old May 27th 19, 04:05 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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Default Another racing cyclist that cannot handle a hill, dies.

On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 12:11:36 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 22/05/2019 17:54, Simon Jester wrote:
On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 5:20:50 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 22/05/2019 17:12, MrCheerful wrote:

On 22/05/2019 15:56, JNugent wrote:
On 22/05/2019 15:02, GB wrote:
On 21/05/2019 19:03, MrCheerful wrote:

another million quid of taxpayers money wasted.

A million quid to take him to hospital, give him some resusc.,¬* and
pronounce him dead? Why?

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...-2019-16308063

Where oes the million pounds figure come from?

according to this site:
http://www.makingthelink.net/tools/c...road-accidents
it is now 1.69 million

QUOTE:
"Cost of a fatal casualty (all ages) - including lost output, medical
and ambulance costs and human costs"
ENDQUOTE

Yes but... that's the estimate (ie, made-up) average cost of a road
accident fatality. It includes - and this is important - an estimated
value of the deceased person's rest of life productivity, which must be
quite difficult to estimate accurately. So that bit of the figure has to
be taken with a few pinches of salt.

It also includes "human costs" which means that a value is put on the
distress and losses caused to bereaved relatives, friends, etc. I can
see that in these touch-feely days, one would want to value such losses,
but whether it ought to be done in money - and how that should be done
anyway - is far from clear.

Overall, it does not mean that £1,690,000 is the value of emergency
services expended on dealing with the incident. The figure for "lost
output" will be the biggest part of it. Most of it will be expended or
incurred even if no emergency services are involved.


Wow! I actually agree with you for once, I think.

The Hospital and staff will be there. The Paramedics will be on duty. The only costs are consumables.

If I chose to drive to work tomorrow the costs are fuel and parking.
I own a car so the fixed costs have to be paid whether I use it or not.


Car tax, insurance, MOT and annual service are spent anyway.


The same error of logic is sometimes made when it is pointed out
(erroneously) that it costs £nn,nnn a year to keep a prisoner in custody
in an effort to argue that a particular offender (or category of
offender) should not get a custodial.

The figures which are quoted might or might not, be accurate as the
average cost when all overheads are taken into account, but they are an
average, not a marginal, calculation.

If the figure were (say) £50,000, it would not cost an extra £50,000 to
squeeze in an extra guest at the Wandsworth Hotel. Neither would it save
£50,000 to let one of them check out early. Most of the cost is in
overheads and would not change much.


If we did not send so many people to prison we would not need so many prisons.
I was on a jury once where the Judge set a 6pm to 6am curfew on the defendant between conviction and sentencing and told him he was likely to get a custodial sentence. Given the age of the defendant I thought a 6 month curfew would be more fitting than a couple of weeks prison involving loss of job.
  #27  
Old May 27th 19, 04:41 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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Default Another racing cyclist that cannot handle a hill, dies.

On 27/05/2019 16:05, Simon Jester wrote:
On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 12:11:36 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 22/05/2019 17:54, Simon Jester wrote:
On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 5:20:50 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 22/05/2019 17:12, MrCheerful wrote:

On 22/05/2019 15:56, JNugent wrote:
On 22/05/2019 15:02, GB wrote:
On 21/05/2019 19:03, MrCheerful wrote:

another million quid of taxpayers money wasted.

A million quid to take him to hospital, give him some resusc.,¬* and
pronounce him dead? Why?

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...-2019-16308063

Where oes the million pounds figure come from?

according to this site:
http://www.makingthelink.net/tools/c...road-accidents
it is now 1.69 million

QUOTE:
"Cost of a fatal casualty (all ages) - including lost output, medical
and ambulance costs and human costs"
ENDQUOTE

Yes but... that's the estimate (ie, made-up) average cost of a road
accident fatality. It includes - and this is important - an estimated
value of the deceased person's rest of life productivity, which must be
quite difficult to estimate accurately. So that bit of the figure has to
be taken with a few pinches of salt.

It also includes "human costs" which means that a value is put on the
distress and losses caused to bereaved relatives, friends, etc. I can
see that in these touch-feely days, one would want to value such losses,
but whether it ought to be done in money - and how that should be done
anyway - is far from clear.

Overall, it does not mean that £1,690,000 is the value of emergency
services expended on dealing with the incident. The figure for "lost
output" will be the biggest part of it. Most of it will be expended or
incurred even if no emergency services are involved.

Wow! I actually agree with you for once, I think.

The Hospital and staff will be there. The Paramedics will be on duty. The only costs are consumables.

If I chose to drive to work tomorrow the costs are fuel and parking.
I own a car so the fixed costs have to be paid whether I use it or not.


Car tax, insurance, MOT and annual service are spent anyway.


The same error of logic is sometimes made when it is pointed out
(erroneously) that it costs £nn,nnn a year to keep a prisoner in custody
in an effort to argue that a particular offender (or category of
offender) should not get a custodial.

The figures which are quoted might or might not, be accurate as the
average cost when all overheads are taken into account, but they are an
average, not a marginal, calculation.

If the figure were (say) £50,000, it would not cost an extra £50,000 to
squeeze in an extra guest at the Wandsworth Hotel. Neither would it save
£50,000 to let one of them check out early. Most of the cost is in
overheads and would not change much.


If we did not send so many people to prison we would not need so many prisons.


Thats a truism, but control over it is not in the hands of the courts or
"society in general". It is firmly in the hands of those who are sent to
prison, which is an outcome which arises only after a fairly lengthy
career in low-order crime. Obviously, there are exceptions, but we
aren't talking about murderers without entecedence.

I was on a jury once where the Judge set a 6pm to 6am curfew on the defendant between conviction and sentencing and told him he was likely to get a custodial sentence. Given the age of the defendant I thought a 6 month curfew would be more fitting than a couple of weeks prison involving loss of job.


You were there and I wasn't, but what was his career to date like?
  #28  
Old May 27th 19, 05:12 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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Default Another racing cyclist that cannot handle a hill, dies.

On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 4:41:52 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 27/05/2019 16:05, Simon Jester wrote:
On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 12:11:36 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 22/05/2019 17:54, Simon Jester wrote:
On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 5:20:50 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 22/05/2019 17:12, MrCheerful wrote:

On 22/05/2019 15:56, JNugent wrote:
On 22/05/2019 15:02, GB wrote:
On 21/05/2019 19:03, MrCheerful wrote:

another million quid of taxpayers money wasted.

A million quid to take him to hospital, give him some resusc.,¬* and
pronounce him dead? Why?

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...-2019-16308063

Where oes the million pounds figure come from?

according to this site:
http://www.makingthelink.net/tools/c...road-accidents
it is now 1.69 million

QUOTE:
"Cost of a fatal casualty (all ages) - including lost output, medical
and ambulance costs and human costs"
ENDQUOTE

Yes but... that's the estimate (ie, made-up) average cost of a road
accident fatality. It includes - and this is important - an estimated
value of the deceased person's rest of life productivity, which must be
quite difficult to estimate accurately. So that bit of the figure has to
be taken with a few pinches of salt.

It also includes "human costs" which means that a value is put on the
distress and losses caused to bereaved relatives, friends, etc. I can
see that in these touch-feely days, one would want to value such losses,
but whether it ought to be done in money - and how that should be done
anyway - is far from clear.

Overall, it does not mean that £1,690,000 is the value of emergency
services expended on dealing with the incident. The figure for "lost
output" will be the biggest part of it. Most of it will be expended or
incurred even if no emergency services are involved.

Wow! I actually agree with you for once, I think.

The Hospital and staff will be there. The Paramedics will be on duty. The only costs are consumables.

If I chose to drive to work tomorrow the costs are fuel and parking.
I own a car so the fixed costs have to be paid whether I use it or not.

 




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