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Old May 17th 19, 09:54 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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Default Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 9:37:29 PM UTC+1, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 20:03:47 GMT, Simon Jester
wrote:

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 8:30:54 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 17/05/2019 19:45, Simon Mason wrote:
On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 4:29:59 PM UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

Which part of the UK is Denmark?

It was decided years ago that we could discuss the Tour de France
etc. Do you have the urc charter to hand?

If Cheerfull, Pounder and Nugent claim that gropers, kiddie fiddlers,
drug dealers or burglars are *cycling* during the course of these
activities you can have Denmark (or any other country).


I think you are being too generous. If a cyclist was within 50 000 000
miles of wrongdoing it was the fault of all cyclists everywhere. I use
that figure because when mankind establishes a colony on Mars and
something goes wrong Pounder will blame it on a cyclist.

Reverse that; send Pounder to a place where he can feel safe.


The problem is Pounder only feels safe when he is cowering in his mouldy bedsit. When he ventures out in to the real world he feels the need to be surrounded by vorpal chisels to ward off the hoards of pavement zombie cyclists who are waiting to kill him.
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Old May 18th 19, 12:01 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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Default Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists

On 17/05/2019 21:36, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 13:28:16 GMT, Simon Mason
wrote:

QUOTE:
"Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists with 5%
ignoring traffic laws compared to 66% of motorists." END QUOTE

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...yclists-break-
fewer-rules-road-motorists-Danish-study-finds.html

Don't be distracted: It's not the rule-breaking, it's the potential for
serious injury or death to others that's important.


Absolutely correct. Some people believe that rules are rules and
completely forget the underlying purpose of them.
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Old May 18th 19, 07:02 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists

On 17/05/2019 21:36, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 13:28:16 GMT, Simon Mason
wrote:

QUOTE:
"Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists with 5%
ignoring traffic laws compared to 66% of motorists." END QUOTE

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...yclists-break-
fewer-rules-road-motorists-Danish-study-finds.html

Don't be distracted: It's not the rule-breaking, it's the potential for
serious injury or death to others that's important.




As so few rules apply to cyclists and it is so much more difficult to
remotely catch them, it is not surprising that far more motorists fall
foul of the myriad of areas that are illegal in some way. Also
motorists drive far more often and for much further than cyclists do.
Also motorists drive in poor weather, again cyclists do not. And of
course remember that most cyclists also own a car, so they are included
in both sets of figures, so really there is nothing to learn from this
flawed 'study' from a country that is flatter than the UK and has a
government weighted toward bicycle use and the demise of the car.
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Old May 18th 19, 07:28 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Ian Smith
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Default Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists

On Sat, 18 May 2019 00:01:23 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
On 17/05/2019 21:36, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 13:28:16 GMT, Simon Mason
wrote:

QUOTE:
"Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists with 5%
ignoring traffic laws compared to 66% of motorists." END QUOTE

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...yclists-break-
fewer-rules-road-motorists-Danish-study-finds.html

Don't be distracted: It's not the rule-breaking, it's the potential for
serious injury or death to others that's important.


Absolutely correct. Some people believe that rules are rules and
completely forget the underlying purpose of them.


However, rather more people are oblivious to the underlying purpose
and then feel smug that the rules don't apply to them.

All those motorists that think speed limits are only about whether
they actually collide with something and bend their precious bodywork,
while neglecting to account for the noise pollution, chemical
pollution and fear they impose on local residents, for example.

Or all those cyclists dodging through groups of pedestrians.

Just because you didn't actually hit a pedestrian this time, that
doesn't mean your rule-breaking was acceptable, and certainly not
harmless.

regards, Ian SMith
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Old May 18th 19, 09:37 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Peter Keller[_3_]
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Default Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists

On 18/05/2019 01:28, Simon Mason wrote:
QUOTE:
"Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists with 5% ignoring traffic laws compared to 66% of motorists." END QUOTE

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...udy-finds.html

That might be true in Denmark but certainly not here.
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Old May 18th 19, 12:55 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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On 18/05/2019 07:28, Ian Smith wrote:
On Sat, 18 May 2019 00:01:23 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
On 17/05/2019 21:36, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 13:28:16 GMT, Simon Mason
wrote:

QUOTE:
"Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists with 5%
ignoring traffic laws compared to 66% of motorists." END QUOTE

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...yclists-break-
fewer-rules-road-motorists-Danish-study-finds.html

Don't be distracted: It's not the rule-breaking, it's the potential for
serious injury or death to others that's important.


Absolutely correct. Some people believe that rules are rules and
completely forget the underlying purpose of them.


However, rather more people are oblivious to the underlying purpose
and then feel smug that the rules don't apply to them.

All those motorists that think speed limits are only about whether
they actually collide with something and bend their precious bodywork,
while neglecting to account for the noise pollution, chemical
pollution and fear they impose on local residents, for example.


I either failed to make the point or you misunderstood it.

Following the rules is no guarantee of safety and breaking the rules is
not necessarily a cause of danger. There is no symmetry between driving
and cycling.

Or all those cyclists dodging through groups of pedestrians.

Just because you didn't actually hit a pedestrian this time, that
doesn't mean your rule-breaking was acceptable, and certainly not
harmless.


The only acceptable criticism about cyclist behaviour amongst
pedestrians is when it is made from the first hand experience of being a
pedestrian. When comments come from behind the windscreen (which most of
it is) they should mind their own f****** business.
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Old May 18th 19, 03:00 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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Default Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists

On 18/05/2019 07:02, MrCheerful wrote:

As so few rules apply to cyclists and it is so much more difficult to
remotely catch them, it is not surprising that far more motorists fall
foul of the myriad of areas that are illegal in some way.Â* Also
motorists drive far more often and for much further than cyclists do.
Also motorists drive in poor weather, again cyclists do not.Â* And of
course remember that most cyclists also own a car, so they are included
in both sets of figures, so really there is nothing to learn from this
flawed 'study' from a country that is flatter than the UK and has a
government weighted toward bicycle use and the demise of the car.


Which is a very clear demonstration that the emphasis is the wrong way
round - where the rules are considered to be more important than "...the
potential for serious injury or death to others."
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Old May 19th 19, 09:24 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Ian Smith
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On Sat, 18 May 2019 12:55:59 +0100, TMS320 wrote:

The only acceptable criticism about cyclist behaviour amongst
pedestrians is when it is made from the first hand experience of being a
pedestrian.


How many car drivers is it that you think have zero experience of
being a pedestrian?

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Old May 19th 19, 10:38 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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Default Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists

On 19/05/2019 09:24, Ian Smith wrote:
On Sat, 18 May 2019 12:55:59 +0100, TMS320 wrote:

The only acceptable criticism about cyclist behaviour amongst
pedestrians is when it is made from the first hand experience of being a
pedestrian.


How many car drivers is it that you think have zero experience of
being a pedestrian?


When I said, "it must come from first hand experience of being a
pedestrian", it does not have to imply that drivers have no experience
of being a pedestrian. Anything seen from behind a windcreen, cannot be
the first hand experience of being a pedestrian.

However, official statistics suggest that people walk less tha 200 miles
a year, so experience is clearly very limited.
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Old May 19th 19, 04:36 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 9:37:34 AM UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote:
On 18/05/2019 01:28, Simon Mason wrote:
QUOTE:
"Cyclists break fewer rules of the road than motorists with 5% ignoring traffic laws compared to 66% of motorists." END QUOTE

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...udy-finds.html

That might be true in Denmark but certainly not here.


Can you provide evidence to support this claim?
 




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