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Cyclists jump red lights for their own safety, oh, wait a minute.
Maxx was cycling down the hill towards the lights, and raced through as
they turned red - but Lynch sped up as his lights went green. The court was shown graphic CCTV footage of the fatal impact. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...20-months.html |
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Cyclists jump red lights for their own safety, oh, wait a minute.
On 03/08/2015 13:53, Mrcheerful wrote:
Maxx was cycling down the hill towards the lights, and raced through as they turned red - but Lynch sped up as his lights went green. The court was shown graphic CCTV footage of the fatal impact. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...20-months.html That's a peculiar story, with a heck of a lot of "he"s and "him"s in the report, which doesn't make for clarity when there are only two (male) characters. But as far as one can make out: "Maxx [the cyclist] was cycling down the hill towards the lights, and raced through as they turned *red* - but Lynch [the uninsured, speeding, driver] sped up as his lights went *green*. I'm absolutely not going to defend a driver who is uninsured. I'm absolutely not going to defend a driver who is doing 45mph and up in a built-up area. I'm absolutely not going to defend a driver who immediately left the scene of an injury accident. He ought to be punished for all those things. But "careless driving"? Does that arise automatically out of being 15mph over the limit? *If* he went through a green light (I accept that this is a big "if" and that other things may have been said in court) and *if* the cyclist went through a red light... Journalists, eh? |
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Cyclists jump red lights for their own safety, oh, wait a minute.
On 03/08/2015 14:21, JNugent wrote:
On 03/08/2015 13:53, Mrcheerful wrote: Maxx was cycling down the hill towards the lights, and raced through as they turned red - but Lynch sped up as his lights went green. The court was shown graphic CCTV footage of the fatal impact. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...20-months.html That's a peculiar story, with a heck of a lot of "he"s and "him"s in the report, which doesn't make for clarity when there are only two (male) characters. But as far as one can make out: "Maxx [the cyclist] was cycling down the hill towards the lights, and raced through as they turned *red* - but Lynch [the uninsured, speeding, driver] sped up as his lights went *green*. I'm absolutely not going to defend a driver who is uninsured. I'm absolutely not going to defend a driver who is doing 45mph and up in a built-up area. I'm absolutely not going to defend a driver who immediately left the scene of an injury accident. He ought to be punished for all those things. But "careless driving"? Does that arise automatically out of being 15mph over the limit? *If* he went through a green light (I accept that this is a big "if" and that other things may have been said in court) and *if* the cyclist went through a red light... Journalists, eh? The facts that the whole thing is on video would help with red green issues. The lack of lights and brakes on the bicycle, coupled with going through a red light at speed were the immediate problem. The cyclist would not have been hit if he had been following the laws of the road and the rules of common sense and the Highway Code. |
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Cyclists jump red lights for their own safety, oh, wait a minute.
On 03/08/2015 16:06, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 03/08/2015 14:21, JNugent wrote: On 03/08/2015 13:53, Mrcheerful wrote: Maxx was cycling down the hill towards the lights, and raced through as they turned red - but Lynch sped up as his lights went green. The court was shown graphic CCTV footage of the fatal impact. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...20-months.html That's a peculiar story, with a heck of a lot of "he"s and "him"s in the report, which doesn't make for clarity when there are only two (male) characters. But as far as one can make out: "Maxx [the cyclist] was cycling down the hill towards the lights, and raced through as they turned *red* - but Lynch [the uninsured, speeding, driver] sped up as his lights went *green*. I'm absolutely not going to defend a driver who is uninsured. I'm absolutely not going to defend a driver who is doing 45mph and up in a built-up area. I'm absolutely not going to defend a driver who immediately left the scene of an injury accident. He ought to be punished for all those things. But "careless driving"? Does that arise automatically out of being 15mph over the limit? *If* he went through a green light (I accept that this is a big "if" and that other things may have been said in court) and *if* the cyclist went through a red light... Journalists, eh? The facts that the whole thing is on video would help with red green issues. The lack of lights and brakes on the bicycle, coupled with going through a red light at speed were the immediate problem. The cyclist would not have been hit if he had been following the laws of the road and the rules of common sense and the Highway Code. Equally, he would not have been hit had the driver followed same. I think this is a moral conundrum - who is the most reprehensible in context, driver or cyclist? -- Cheers, Rob |
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Cyclists jump red lights for their own safety, oh, wait aminute.
On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 13:53:35 +0100, Mrcheerful wrote:
Maxx was cycling down the hill towards the lights, and raced through as they turned red - but Lynch sped up as his lights went green. The court was shown graphic CCTV footage of the fatal impact. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-Lynch-killed- cyclist-Maxx-Church-hit-run-jailed-20-months.html I saw nothing in the report that the bicyclist jumped the red light "for his own safety." However this was in the report: Quote:
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Cyclists jump red lights for their own safety, oh, wait a minute.
On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 13:53:35 +0100, Mrcheerful
wrote: Maxx was cycling down the hill towards the lights, and raced through as they turned red - but Lynch sped up as his lights went green. The court was shown graphic CCTV footage of the fatal impact. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...20-months.html I can't follow that: did the motorist drive through a red light and hit a cyclist who had the lights in his favour? |
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Cyclists jump red lights for their own safety, oh, wait a minute.
On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 18:25:17 +0100, RJH wrote:
snip I think this is a moral conundrum - who is the most reprehensible in context, driver or cyclist? You could ask the question: which of the two was responsible for his own death? |
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Cyclists jump red lights for their own safety, oh, wait a minute.
On 12/08/2015 09:53, Judith wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 13:53:35 +0100, Mrcheerful wrote: Maxx was cycling down the hill towards the lights, and raced through as they turned red - but Lynch sped up as his lights went green. The court was shown graphic CCTV footage of the fatal impact. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...20-months.html I can't follow that: did the motorist drive through a red light and hit a cyclist who had the lights in his favour? Green light means: Go - IF the way is clear! Not many people know that! His Lordship however did. |
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Cyclists jump red lights for their own safety, oh, wait a minute.
On 12/08/2015 15:31, colwyn wrote:
On 12/08/2015 09:53, Judith wrote: On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 13:53:35 +0100, Mrcheerful wrote: Maxx was cycling down the hill towards the lights, and raced through as they turned red - but Lynch sped up as his lights went green. The court was shown graphic CCTV footage of the fatal impact. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...20-months.html I can't follow that: did the motorist drive through a red light and hit a cyclist who had the lights in his favour? Green light means: Go - IF the way is clear! Not many people know that! His Lordship however did. and a red light means? |
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Cyclists jump red lights for their own safety, oh, wait a minute.
On 12/08/2015 16:36, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 12/08/2015 15:31, colwyn wrote: On 12/08/2015 09:53, Judith wrote: On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 13:53:35 +0100, Mrcheerful wrote: Maxx was cycling down the hill towards the lights, and raced through as they turned red - but Lynch sped up as his lights went green. The court was shown graphic CCTV footage of the fatal impact. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...20-months.html I can't follow that: did the motorist drive through a red light and hit a cyclist who had the lights in his favour? Green light means: Go - IF the way is clear! Not many people know that! His Lordship however did. and a red light means? Prostitutes available. |
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