Slayin' it

On Jun 4, 10:58*pm, Amit Ghosh wrote:


Indurain also was 6'3". Unlike Wiggins, he had the watts.

dumbass,

i know indurain is the mahatma of cycling, but he was doped. 500+W
thresholds are absurd. there will not be 170+ lb. riders in the front
group in mtn. stages as long as there is hct monitoring.




Dumbass -

He's still proof that tall guys can have a good power to weight ratio.
For instance, he could still climb as well as Pantani and Pantani was
doped.

You're getting into Lafferty Logic, ie. tall guys being able to climb
is proof of doping. It's bull****. The reason we don't see many 6'3"
guys being able to climb at that level is there aren't that many 6'3"
racers to start with. That's getting into the part of the bell curve
where less than 1% of the general population is that tall or taller.
If they maintain proportionality, then only 1% of the climbers will be
of that height.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

On Jun 4, 11:16*pm, Amit Ghosh wrote:
On Jun 4, 3:30*pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."

wrote:

Dumbass -

That's because Wiggins doesn't have enough wattage.

dumbass,

i bring up wiggins because wiggins is a faster pursuiter than taylor
phinney.



Dumbass -


Not at 18 years of age.

There's also the 1:01 kilo.

That's some serious wattage for an 18 year old who's been racing for
TWO whole seasons. This is only his third season.

LANCE started at about the same age and didn't do anything near what
Phinney's done. LANCE was heavy too. Even if he hadn't gotten the
cancer and lost his upper body mass, he'd still have had quite a
Classics career. He was pretty damn explosive the year all that went
down.


thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

RicodJour wrote:
I've heard of color blind, but can someone be number blind?

Rumsfeld ?

On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:09:41 -0700, Michael Press
wrote:

Say he his among the dozen best 18 year olds.
Then he will race with ten years worth of the
dozen best 18 year olds. So you are saying he
will be among the best 120 riders in the peloton.
Of course that is good, but may not be what you intended to say.

Understand, but they won't peak in the same years, so in his best
three or four years he will rack up enough palmares to be better than
'just another pro'.

There have been those that had long periods as favorites, but a Merkcx
or a Kelly is way, way above the lunchmeat crowd. Phinney doesn't have
to get to that level to exceed the bar that Amit set.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
On Jun 4, 11:16 pm, Amit Ghosh wrote:
On Jun 4, 3:30 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."

wrote:

Dumbass -
That's because Wiggins doesn't have enough wattage.
dumbass,

i bring up wiggins because wiggins is a faster pursuiter than taylor
phinney.



Dumbass -


Not at 18 years of age.

There's also the 1:01 kilo.

That's some serious wattage for an 18 year old who's been racing for
TWO whole seasons. This is only his third season.

LANCE started at about the same age and didn't do anything near what
Phinney's done. LANCE was heavy too. Even if he hadn't gotten the
cancer and lost his upper body mass, he'd still have had quite a
Classics career. He was pretty damn explosive the year all that went
down.

Also, someone training for the pursuit is probably not as
interested in cutting weight as someone training for grand
tours.

Bob Schwartz

On Jun 5, 3:34*am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
wrote:
On Jun 4, 10:58*pm, Amit Ghosh wrote:



Indurain also was 6'3". Unlike Wiggins, he had the watts.

dumbass,

i know indurain is the mahatma of cycling, but he was doped. 500+W
thresholds are absurd. there will not be 170+ lb. riders in the front
group in mtn. stages as long as there is hct monitoring.

Dumbass -

He's still proof that tall guys can have a good power to weight ratio.
For instance, he could still climb as well as Pantani and Pantani was
doped.

You're getting into Lafferty Logic, ie. tall guys being able to climb
is proof of doping. It's bull****. The reason we don't see many 6'3"
guys being able to climb at that level is there aren't that many 6'3"
racers to start with. That's getting into the part of the bell curve
where less than 1% of the general population is that tall or taller.
If they maintain proportionality, then only 1% of the climbers will be
of that height.


dumbass,

it's not the height, it's the weight.

since aerobic power doesn't scale with height a heavier person has to
compensate with better aerobic power and taller people will tend to be
heavier.

a guy like wiggins (6'3" but super thin) is still 10-15% heavier than
the typical climber, but within the range of many GC guys. a 170lb.
guy is another 15% or so heavier. at the top end of the sport, that's
a lot to compensate for.

On Jun 5, 4:28*am, Donald Munro wrote:
RicodJour wrote:
I've heard of color blind, but can someone be number blind? *

Rumsfeld ?

It's not nice to call people names, dumbass.

R

On Jun 5, 9:40*am, Bob Schwartz
wrote:


Also, someone training for the pursuit is probably not as
interested in cutting weight as someone training for grand
tours.

dumbass,

sure. you just have to watch mike tillman get dropped on highway
overpasses to see that.

but if wiggins - who rides 4:15 pursuits - is an also ran in GTs and
classics, how is taylor phinney going to win those races ?

Amit Ghosh wrote:
but if wiggins - who rides 4:15 pursuits - is an also ran in GTs and
classics, how is taylor phinney going to win those races ?

If Wiggins (his name sounds like something from Lord of the Rings)
had more watts there's no reason why he could'nt be a contender
in a flat classic like Paris-Roubaix.

On Jun 5, 12:49*am, Amit Ghosh wrote:
On Jun 4, 5:31*pm, ronaldo_jeremiah
wrote:



Someone who can ride a 4:15 will not be lunchmeat in _any_ race.

dumbass,

at 180 lbs. he will be lunchmeat in any GT or hilly classic. he might
be good at roubaix, maybe flanders.

there are freaks like Indurain who show that even tall guys
can be the best in GTs.

since you can't read between the lines, i'll say it. it was pre-hct
and pre everything and indurain was using epo as every top racer was
at that time. he obviously responded well to it. you will never see
another 170+ lb. guy in the front group of a mountain stage of the
tour.

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-rj