Slayin' it

"Amit Ghosh" wrote in message
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On Jun 1, 4:24 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
wrote:
On Jun 1, 10:09 am, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
Because he's the son of Davis Phinney. Because he's the son of two
world
champion level riders he's been trained to a very high level for his
age.
Perhaps he will continue to approve but the fact is that at his age
and
level he hasn't proven anything except that he's a very knowledgeable
racer.

It would be nice if he could succeed but because of his size I don't
see him
being successful in the pro peloton.

He's already won the WC (not handicapped) in the pursuit.

it's a handicapped field, because the best riders won't contest the
worlds. he had his chance in the olympics.

Only time will tell. I'm pulling for him but don't really expect too much
because of his size.

As for Henry's comments - when someone is physically superior they win a
large percentage of the time. Note Eddy Merckx.

Tom Kunich wrote:
Perhaps you ought to read "A Dog in a Hat".

ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:
Perhaps you ought to read "The Cat in The Hat".

Green eggs and andoulette.

On Jun 1, 12:47*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Scott" wrote in message

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Your point is valid in those situations where he's competing against
the locals at some local business park crit, BUT... the 'kids' he
raced against at U23 Paris Roubaix weren't beaten because they were
out-coached and the competitors at least year's Track WC damn sure
weren't out-coached.

Perhaps you ought to read "A Dog in a Hat".

I can't begin to guess where you're going with that comment. Are you
suggesting that it's not that the others are equally well coached, but
rather well drugged, or what???

On Jun 1, 12:51*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Scott" wrote in message

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Try to get this straight. *No one has said that any of his results to
date have proven his future greatness. *The point of the thread (and I
know, since I started it) is that his results across a broad spectrum
of racing disclipines make us wonder just what his future is.

So when you said, "When he figures out what he's really best at, it's gonna
be amazing." You simply meant that you WONDER how good he'll be.

Yeah, pretty much.

On Jun 1, 2:31*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"ronaldo_jeremiah" wrote in message

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On Jun 1, 1:47 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:

Perhaps you ought to read "A Dog in a Hat".

Perhaps you ought to read "The Cat in The Hat".

Thanks for telling us that you can't read.

The TK version of "I know you are, but what am I?"

On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 05:52:59 -0700 (PDT), Amit Ghosh
wrote:

On May 31, 6:33*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:

And by the way, I wasn't saying that he isn't a good rider or won't be a
great rider. I was saying that you can't predict yet what he will become
because the level of competition he's been up against is NOT world class.
All the world class guys went straight to the pros. Or haven't you noticed
guys like Contador were hired by high end professional teams at 22?

dumbass,

i agree.

those who are really good don't need the handicapping of u-23 to
shine.

kreuzinger, boasson-hagen and lovkvist are all under 23. they would be
slayin it in u-23 races too.

They're not 18.

In article ,
Bob Schwartz wrote:

Howard Kveck wrote:
Does it diminish Merckx's legacy to be used even marginally as an icon
that way:
"Kunich is the Merckx of RBR Stupidity?"


When it comes to trolling, Kunich is the best that ever was. Admit
it, he found your chains and yanked them hard.

Bob, I just don't think he's as much of a troll as you think he is. And some of us
aren't getting all that wrapped around the axle by the things he says - we just like
pointing out what a goof he is. It can be fun sometimes. It frequently is.

--
tanx,
Howard

Caught playing safe
It's a bored game

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

On Jun 1, 7:59*pm, Howard Kveck wrote:
In article ,
*Bob Schwartz wrote:

Howard Kveck wrote:
* *Does it diminish Merckx's legacy to be used even marginally as an icon
* *that way:
"Kunich is the Merckx of RBR Stupidity?"

When it comes to trolling, Kunich is the best that ever was. Admit
it, he found your chains and yanked them hard.

* *Bob, I just don't think he's as much of a troll as you think he is.. And some of us
aren't getting all that wrapped around the axle by the things he says - we just like
pointing out what a goof he is. It can be fun sometimes. It frequently is..


Bob has the relationship to greatness backwards anyway. Merckx is the
Kunich of cycling.

-rj

On Jun 1, 9:50*pm, ronaldo_jeremiah
wrote:
On Jun 1, 7:59*pm, Howard Kveck wrote:

In article ,
*Bob Schwartz wrote:

Howard Kveck wrote:
* *Does it diminish Merckx's legacy to be used even marginally as an icon
* *that way:
"Kunich is the Merckx of RBR Stupidity?"

When it comes to trolling, Kunich is the best that ever was. Admit
it, he found your chains and yanked them hard.

* *Bob, I just don't think he's as much of a troll as you think he is. And some of us
aren't getting all that wrapped around the axle by the things he says - we just like
pointing out what a goof he is. It can be fun sometimes. It frequently is.

Bob has the relationship to greatness backwards anyway. *Merckx is the
Kunich of cycling.

I'll venture a Laffertyesque trope and argue that Bobby Fischer was
the Kunich of immortal chess champions gone bonkers.

In article ,
Carl Sundquist wrote:

Howard Kveck wrote:
In article
,
Scott wrote:

On May 31, 3:53 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Scott" wrote in message

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This is just nuts. First, wins Jr World TT. Follows it up with World
Cup pursuit wins, a ride in the Olympics, AND World Championship
pursuit title. National pursuit and kilo titles. Now he goes and
pulls off the U23 Paris Roubaix win. What's next for Mini Phinney? I
mean, he's only 18!! When he figures out what he's really best at,
it's gonna be amazing.
Not really. Let's remember that in his age category he isn't meeting the
best possible racers. So a good racer looks like a spectacular racer.
As Bubba's Momma would say, "boy, is you stupid?"

Are you suggesting for a moment that the competitors at the various
track world cups or track world championships or perhaps the Olympics,
weren't the best possible racers??? The only race I mentioned that
was "age-graded" was the Espoirs Paris Roubaix, and it's damn sure not
like he's racing against a bunch of slouches three or four years his
junior. He's in his first year in the "espoirs" and he's doing pretty
damn well against some of the top competitors four to five years his
senior. Besides, look at the list of previous winners and tell us
sincerely that winning that race doesn't mean something.

Geez, Tom, you must really be looking to start an argument or you are
clinically frikkin stupid to make that comment.

Does it have to be one or the other? Anyway, I think you're right about
Phinney -
he does seem to have a lot of power. The more different kinds of races he
gets to do,
the more he'll learn about what he's really good at and focus on those. But
I'll also
bet that he'll work at improving the things he wasn't as good at. I think
Carl's
correct about his racecraft but that comes with time and riding against
good
competitors.


Considering that his engine may have compensated, he may have to unlearn
some habits.

Dear Carl: that's what race radios are for.

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"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."