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Carlton Reid on QR safety
Andy H wrote:
"David Martin" wrote in message oups.com... Werehatrack wrote: Those of us who have seen your prior postings about the issue of disc brake ejections are fully aware of your position on the matter. Is it possible for you to accept the fact that for the majority of the readers, the evidence thus far published is not persuasive that there is a serious problem here which is not related to user error? Why do you claim to speak for the majority of readers, most of whom have expressed no public opinion on the matter? ..d Does the fact that the majority of people have expressed no public opinion (read; interest) speak volumes as to the severity of the problem? Do YOU know the relevant statistics to say that this is a major problem or design flaw? Life is inherently risky and I for one would rather check my qr's before a ride And what if it happened after 3 hours of riding even when you checked it before the ride? Greg -- "All my time I spent in heaven Revelries of dance and wine Waking to the sound of laughter Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons |
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Carlton Reid on QR safety
David wrote:
James Annan wrote: Werehatrack wrote: Those of us who have seen your prior postings about the issue of disc brake ejections are fully aware of your position on the matter. However, those who read Carlton's article on Bikebiz might think it safe to draw the conclusion that "industry experts say QRs are safe, when used correctly", even though numerous industry experts have quite clearly expressed the contrary view. They will also not know that one case was recently settled in favour of the rider. James Out of court settlements almost always include a statement that the plantiff is not admitting liability. It is often less costly to pay a small settlement than it is to defend the claim, particularly if the jurisdiction is known to be plaintiff-favorable. That first plantiff should be defendant. Greg -- "All my time I spent in heaven Revelries of dance and wine Waking to the sound of laughter Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons |
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Carlton Reid on QR safety
Tim McNamara wrote:
James Annan writes: Werehatrack wrote: Those of us who have seen your prior postings about the issue of disc brake ejections are fully aware of your position on the matter. However, those who read Carlton's article on Bikebiz might think it safe to draw the conclusion that "industry experts say QRs are safe, when used correctly", even though numerous industry experts have quite clearly expressed the contrary view. Don't appeal to authority. Just state the facts, which are simple and straightforward. I'm only pointing out that Carlton's appeal to authority isn't even honest, let alone correct. He knows that numerous industry experts dispute what he wrote. James -- James Annan see web pages for email http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/ http://julesandjames.blogspot.com/ |
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Carlton Reid on QR safety
"Richard" wrote in message ... Snip - ......but as I neither sell, use, maintain, nor have any access to disk brakes or QR axles, I could add nothing useful to the debate. R. Then do just that, you have no potential problems do you? Do you have the statistics to hand? Andy H |
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Carlton Reid on QR safety
"G.T." wrote in message ... Andy H wrote: "David Martin" wrote in message oups.com... Werehatrack wrote: Those of us who have seen your prior postings about the issue of disc brake ejections are fully aware of your position on the matter. Is it possible for you to accept the fact that for the majority of the readers, the evidence thus far published is not persuasive that there is a serious problem here which is not related to user error? Why do you claim to speak for the majority of readers, most of whom have expressed no public opinion on the matter? ..d Does the fact that the majority of people have expressed no public opinion (read; interest) speak volumes as to the severity of the problem? Do YOU know the relevant statistics to say that this is a major problem or design flaw? Life is inherently risky and I for one would rather check my qr's before a ride And what if it happened after 3 hours of riding even when you checked it before the ride? Greg Life sucks and **** happens, our (my anyway) pastime is rife with risk. If the design is inherently flawed why have we not all been maimed by our disk/qr problems? (As MV would no doubt wish :-). We drive our cars with unsafe airbags and inherently flawed seat restraints. Trains crash and so do planes. I'm not trying to be a troll here but should we get some perspective on this. Andy H |
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Carlton Reid on QR safety
Andy H wrote: Life sucks and **** happens, our (my anyway) pastime is rife with risk. If the design is inherently flawed why have we not all been maimed by our disk/qr problems? As I understand it, it's because it takes particular circumstances to make the failure likely - for example, repeated very hard braking, especially on bumpy descents. Most riders do not encounter those circumstances. But those circumstances are part of the normal design conditions for certain bikes. If a design injures a person who's using it in the manner for which it was designed, there's a problem. The occurrence doesn't have to be common for this to be true. We drive our cars with unsafe airbags and inherently flawed seat restraints. Trains crash and so do planes. I'm not trying to be a troll here but should we get some perspective on this. I won't defend airbags. But I'll point out that when people are injured by airbags, train or plane crashes, the law does not say "Oh, get over it. You knew that **** happens." - Frank Krygowski |
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Carlton Reid on QR safety
I have come here not to express an opinion on the debate, but rather
amazement at the fact that Annan is still posting here about it. |
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Carlton Reid on QR safety
"Adam Rush" writes:
I have come here not to express an opinion on the debate, but rather amazement at the fact that Annan is still posting here about it. "Here" being which newsgroup or Web-leech portal? And why would you be surprised? He has found a serious design flaw and has detailed that flaw. It is up to the bike industry to correct it. In the meantime, individuals need to have this information in order to make an informed decision about whether to buy or use bikes with this design flaw. |
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Carlton Reid on QR safety
On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:24:51 -0800, "G.T."
wrote: David wrote: James Annan wrote: Werehatrack wrote: Those of us who have seen your prior postings about the issue of disc brake ejections are fully aware of your position on the matter. However, those who read Carlton's article on Bikebiz might think it safe to draw the conclusion that "industry experts say QRs are safe, when used correctly", even though numerous industry experts have quite clearly expressed the contrary view. They will also not know that one case was recently settled in favour of the rider. James Out of court settlements almost always include a statement that the plantiff is not admitting liability. It is often less costly to pay a small settlement than it is to defend the claim, particularly if the jurisdiction is known to be plaintiff-favorable. That first plantiff should be defendant. True, as is the statement so amended. And in fact, in most such cases, getting an out-of-court settlement also has two other beneficial results for the defendant; it ends the case completely without any opening for it to continue through some sort of appeal, and it precludes the possibility that the case can be used as a precedent. Given the combination of cost of defense, the possibility that the suit might initially be lost (and thereby often bring on a spate of me-too suits), the hazard that the defense expense might dwarf the actual settlement if an appeal is (or must be) filed, and the hazard that the finding might be cited in other cases as a precedent, there's lots of reason to shut down the process by making an offer to settle even when the case isn't necessarily all that strong for the plaintiff. In some states, the impetus to settle is being reduced by defendant-friendly changes to statute, often made under the guise of "ending lawsuit abuse". Sometimes, what's billed as an abuse-control measure turns out to be a PLI-defense attorney's nightmare...because the defense lawyers don't get paid the big bucks for doing the slam-dunk early dismissal filings, they only make the big bucks when the case goes on long enough to rack up some worthwhile billable hours. Look for subtle and stealthy moves by PLI defense attorneys, and more open ones by plaintiff lawyers, to get plaintiff-friendly changes made if their billable hours drop too low. They both have a vested interest in keeping the process alive. -- Typoes are a feature, not a bug. Some gardening required to reply via email. Words processed in a facility that contains nuts. |
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