A good time for 10km TT?

Tom Kunich wrote:
Gee, remember Oscar Savilla beating Lance?

amit.ghosh wrote:
moron, sevilla never beat lance in a TT. you're thinking of botero.


And Botero was the world TT champion a few years back.

in message .com,
') wrote:

Tom Kunich wrote:

The truth is that it takes quite a bit of effort to gain an
advantage from aero equipment

Oh yeah, it's a lot of effort to slap on some aero wheels instead of
ones with box section rim, to choose an aerodynamically designed frame
instead of one made with round tubes, to put on a skinsuit instead of a
jersey and shorts, etc. Heck, it even takes very little effort to use
aerobars, assuming you don't change anything else about your position
except where you place your arms.

Realistically you're also going to have to change your saddle position a
bit if you use tribars. But... adding tribars to the bike is a
measurable win, even for someone as old and slow as me.

--
(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; Semper in faecibus sumus, sole profundum variat.

Donald Munro wrote:
Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
If a rider aspires to become good at TTs, then he/she should do some
training in the aero position.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that when Basso first came to CSC Riis
made him ride his TT bike as frequently as was practical. Perhaps
Rasmussen could have done with a bit of Riis's help.




Dumbass -


That is correct.

The way to get good at something, anything, is to practice it. It
applies to playing musical instruments, picking up women, athletics,
one's occupation, whatever. Practice, baby.

The day of the TT shouldn't be the first time one rides the TT bike,
not if one is interested in doing well.

Duh!

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

No, I'm the arbitor of what I think to be common sense. I do not believe
that LeMond won the Tour de France because he had aero bars.

It was more than that, I will grand you that^^ It was the whole mental
package.


He said that
later in the wind tunnel there was almost no difference between his drag
with and without the bars. If a man that rides at 32 mph makes scant gains,
saying that someone that travels at 23 mph will make gains is being
pedantic.


But here you skid out of control. Aero bars help a LOT, not just in the
aero department, but even more in the position department. You can
maintain the position more stable and with less strain on the shoulders
than an "Ox-Horn"bar (the bars they used in that time).

I can play that final TT on DVD and there's LeMond riding smoothly, keeping
a perfectly good position on the bike. Then there's Fignon jumping and
bobbing right from the start. It was plain that Laurent was having a very
bad day and LeMond a perfect day and yet everything was pinned on the aero
bars.


Yes and no. the bars help you to be a bit more stable. I conced
fullheartedly that Fignon shouldnt have that much trouble to keep a
good position on a "traditional" TT bike, but generally Aero bars help
in that department.

All in all, Aero bars are a good idea, even for a beginner. They are
cheap and help you to maintain a good postion (dare I say: force you in
a good position?). All other expensive stuff is indeed a bit silly^^

On 13 Jun 2006 13:16:48 -0700, wrote:

Tom Kunich wrote:

The truth is that it takes quite a bit of effort to gain an
advantage from aero equipment

Oh yeah, it's a lot of effort to slap on some aero wheels instead of
ones with box section rim, to choose an aerodynamically designed frame
instead of one made with round tubes, to put on a skinsuit instead of a
jersey and shorts, etc.

There is the effort required to pay for it. Not insubstantial.

Ron

Simon Brooke wrote:

') wrote:

it even takes very little effort to use
aerobars, assuming you don't change anything else about your position
except where you place your arms.

Realistically you're also going to have to change your saddle position a
bit if you use tribars.

Cinelli Spinachi, Scott Rakes, CaneCreek Speedbars, Vision TT Clip-On
Mini...need I go on?

Andy Coggan

RonSonic wrote:

On 13 Jun 2006 13:16:48 -0700, wrote:

Tom Kunich wrote:

The truth is that it takes quite a bit of effort to gain an
advantage from aero equipment

Oh yeah, it's a lot of effort to slap on some aero wheels instead of
ones with box section rim, to choose an aerodynamically designed frame
instead of one made with round tubes, to put on a skinsuit instead of a
jersey and shorts, etc.

There is the effort required to pay for it. Not insubstantial.

You can buy a used Cervelo P2k, a used aero front wheel, a CH Aero
wheel cover for the rear, and a brand spanking new aero helmet for well
under $1k. That's less than what most people spend on a road frame
these days, and would provide probably 90% of the maximum benefit
possible.

Andy Coggan

in message .com,
') wrote:

Simon Brooke wrote:

') wrote:

it even takes very little effort to use
aerobars, assuming you don't change anything else about your
position except where you place your arms.

Realistically you're also going to have to change your saddle position
a bit if you use tribars.

Cinelli Spinachi, Scott Rakes, CaneCreek Speedbars, Vision TT Clip-On
Mini...need I go on?

And? If you are going to get the front of your body usefully lower, then
bits of your anatomy which didn't come in contact with the saddle in the
more upright position are going to come uncomfortably in contact with
the saddle - /unless/ you change its position a bit (or unless, of
course, you lack those particular bits of anatomy). If you're not going
to get your body lower, whats the point of tribars?

--
(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

...but have you *seen* the size of the world wide spider?

Simon Brooke wrote:

If you're not going
to get your body lower, whats the point of tribars?

To get narrower, and/or more readily hold the same low position you
have on your drops for a longer period of time.

Andy Coggan

Simon Brooke wrote:
If you're not going
to get your body lower, whats the point of tribars?

The equivalent of a low road racing position in the drops, is how many
good TTers position themselves with aero bars (think LA, for
instance... or many of the other pros). You can still improve aero a
lot, with no loss of power. No need to reposition the saddle for that.