Bike Rack for Trek ALR4 Disc (women's)

On 7/24/2020 8:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/23/2020 11:49 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 23:34:48 -0400, Joy Beeson
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:48:05 +0700, John B.
wrote:

be a big bicycle that could carry a
weeks shopping :-)

I used to do it when I lived in New Salem and the nearest grocery was
in Guilderland.Â* IL didn't take the car unless I wanted a few bags of
cat litter.Â* And the wire panniers I used then were a bit smaller than
my new pair. The old ones were designed to fit paper grocery bags; the
new ones are an inch wider, and it took me a while to stop catching
them on things.

But we were two old people who don't eat very much, and there was a
superb farm stand and an excellent meat market just the other side of
Voorheesville.

I used to buy a can of frozen fruit juice every time, to keep my food
cold.Â* I don't think I'd begun to insulate my pannier then; I just
huddled the cold stuff together with the fruit juice in the middle,
and surrounded it with stuff that keeps at ambient.Â* I did line the
pannier with a paper bag inside a plastic bag.Â* (Plastic bags were the
same size as paper bags at the time.Â* Really convenient for packing
things into paper-bag size panniers.)

I put the fruit juice in the fridge with the other stuff, and
reconstituted it when it had finished thawing.

Frankly I can't even imagine my wife packing a weeks groceries on a
bicycle. Back in the Phuket days I drove a pickup and a weeks shopping
was darned covered the bed of the truck. Today, we just came back from
Macro - I don't know if you have them in the U.S. but it is a major
wholesale store here - and because it is a four day weekend we needed
supplies for the holidays. The whole "trunk" of a Honda CR-V and some
in the back seat.
--
Cheers,

John B.


Just wait. When you get old, your grocery volume will get a lot smaller.

True! I sometimes think back on what I ate in my 30s and I'm amazed.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Ralph Barone writes:

AMuzi wrote:
On 7/23/2020 5:57 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 14:54:55 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 7/23/2020 1:30 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 5:42:11 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/23/2020 2:58 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 4:17:21 AM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/22/2020 1:19 PM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 22.07.2020 um 18:41 schrieb :

If you wanted a city bike why didn't you buy a city bike? Spending
more money on a sport bike doesn't mean it should be anything more
than a sport bike.

Nowadays, there's also Gravel bikes as a cross between sport bikes and
city bikes.

IOW, sport bikes should be used only for sporty riding. If you want to
ride in a city, buy a city bike. If you want to carry loads, buy a
touring bike. If you ever want to ride on gravel, buy a gravel bike. If
you want to ride in comfort, buy a comfort bike... etc., etc. This is
the age of bike specialization!

You say you want versatility? How quaint! That's obviously a thing of
the past. Get with the program and buy several new bikes.

--
- Frank Krygowski

No, just think carefully before you buy a bike. Buying a time trial
bike is not wise if you want to carry a lot of stuff once in a while.

Right. Because building in a few tapped holes for a rack attachement
would slow a time trial bike SO much! Then there's the similar
performance boost by using a delicate carbon fiber seatpost that can't
support a seatpost rack. You never know when Mr. Froome might challenge
you to a quick sprint, so you need those advantages!

All that is not the question. You should asked why the OP end up with
that bike if putting on a rack was a requirement. With the current
offerings of bikes you must be really dumb/ignorant/foolish/naive not
finding a bike that can't take a rear rack even without an adaptor
which is a kludge from the beginning. Today most of the times you end
up what is called nowadays with a gravel bike.


If you want a versatile bike buy one, they are out there, even
with through axles.


I wonder about the marketing geniuses who make lack of versatility a
selling point. And the customers who say "This will be my only bike, but
I'll never ever want to carry anything with it."

The marketing guy is just doing his job and I don't think he puts
'lack of versatility' in the ad or mention it in the commercial. If
plenty versatile bikes are out there who is to blame? And you know
what versatility will be mentioned as a selling point for the bikes in
question. You just have to pay attention.

Yes, you do nave to pay attention to avoid getting a trendy bike with
hugely limited practicality. Because ability to carry more than a loaf
of bread is now considered somehow detrimental, at least in some market
segments. Just as, recently, ability to install even 28mm tires was
somehow detrimental.

It didn't used to be that way. Plenty of people carried significant
loads on "sport touring" bikes, either commuting to work, getting
groceries or even hauling camping gear. When unladen, those bikes worked
as well as full-on racing bikes by simply changing rear cogs.

No more. Now you've got to realize that "sporty" means "can't carry
anything." If you're a denizen of this discussion group or an avid
reader of other bike information you'll have been warned. But if you're
an average bike customer you can end up stuck.

I guess this is somehow good for the industry. Retailers can say "You
want to do sporty weekend rides AND ride to work? Well, you'll need two
bikes!" But it seems counterproductive for people who actually ride bikes.


But Frank, how many people today buy a bicycle with the intent of
carrying a load on it? You and who else? The Lawyer has never mention
a load on his commuting bike? Andrew has never mentioned carrying a
load to work, I (blushes) have never carried a load on my bicycles...
--
Cheers,

John B.


Au contraire!

I regularly carry a plastic shopping bag in one hand while
riding. For a 'big' load (a kilo or two) I'll even slip the
bag over my wrist.


Riding to work, or just generally riding around, I have a small “side by
side� saddlebag
https://www.axiomgear.com/products/bags/seymour-panniers/seymour-oceanweave-p25-twin/,
which used to hold a change of clothes, my lunch and a few tools. Going
touring, I’d bring out the big guns - a set of four full sized panniers. So
unless my bike is parked, there’s typically a bag mounted on it.

When going to work I use one of these:

https://lonepeakpacks.com/product/sundance-pannier/

For a change of clothes and any junk I need to move back and forth.

On the other side I carry a soft zipper lunch box rigged with fake
carabiners and a bungy cord.

Having watched one of those seatpost beam racks waggling back and forth
like the tail on a demented dog I don't think I would consider using
one.

On 7/24/2020 11:08 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Ralph Barone writes:

AMuzi wrote:
On 7/23/2020 5:57 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 14:54:55 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 7/23/2020 1:30 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 5:42:11 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/23/2020 2:58 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 4:17:21 AM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/22/2020 1:19 PM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 22.07.2020 um 18:41 schrieb :

If you wanted a city bike why didn't you buy a city bike? Spending
more money on a sport bike doesn't mean it should be anything more
than a sport bike.

Nowadays, there's also Gravel bikes as a cross between sport bikes and
city bikes.

IOW, sport bikes should be used only for sporty riding. If you want to
ride in a city, buy a city bike. If you want to carry loads, buy a
touring bike. If you ever want to ride on gravel, buy a gravel bike. If
you want to ride in comfort, buy a comfort bike... etc., etc. This is
the age of bike specialization!

You say you want versatility? How quaint! That's obviously a thing of
the past. Get with the program and buy several new bikes.

--
- Frank Krygowski

No, just think carefully before you buy a bike. Buying a time trial
bike is not wise if you want to carry a lot of stuff once in a while.

Right. Because building in a few tapped holes for a rack attachement
would slow a time trial bike SO much! Then there's the similar
performance boost by using a delicate carbon fiber seatpost that can't
support a seatpost rack. You never know when Mr. Froome might challenge
you to a quick sprint, so you need those advantages!

All that is not the question. You should asked why the OP end up with
that bike if putting on a rack was a requirement. With the current
offerings of bikes you must be really dumb/ignorant/foolish/naive not
finding a bike that can't take a rear rack even without an adaptor
which is a kludge from the beginning. Today most of the times you end
up what is called nowadays with a gravel bike.


If you want a versatile bike buy one, they are out there, even
with through axles.


I wonder about the marketing geniuses who make lack of versatility a
selling point. And the customers who say "This will be my only bike, but
I'll never ever want to carry anything with it."

The marketing guy is just doing his job and I don't think he puts
'lack of versatility' in the ad or mention it in the commercial. If
plenty versatile bikes are out there who is to blame? And you know
what versatility will be mentioned as a selling point for the bikes in
question. You just have to pay attention.

Yes, you do nave to pay attention to avoid getting a trendy bike with
hugely limited practicality. Because ability to carry more than a loaf
of bread is now considered somehow detrimental, at least in some market
segments. Just as, recently, ability to install even 28mm tires was
somehow detrimental.

It didn't used to be that way. Plenty of people carried significant
loads on "sport touring" bikes, either commuting to work, getting
groceries or even hauling camping gear. When unladen, those bikes worked
as well as full-on racing bikes by simply changing rear cogs.

No more. Now you've got to realize that "sporty" means "can't carry
anything." If you're a denizen of this discussion group or an avid
reader of other bike information you'll have been warned. But if you're
an average bike customer you can end up stuck.

I guess this is somehow good for the industry. Retailers can say "You
want to do sporty weekend rides AND ride to work? Well, you'll need two
bikes!" But it seems counterproductive for people who actually ride bikes.


But Frank, how many people today buy a bicycle with the intent of
carrying a load on it? You and who else? The Lawyer has never mention
a load on his commuting bike? Andrew has never mentioned carrying a
load to work, I (blushes) have never carried a load on my bicycles...
--
Cheers,

John B.


Au contraire!

I regularly carry a plastic shopping bag in one hand while
riding. For a 'big' load (a kilo or two) I'll even slip the
bag over my wrist.


Riding to work, or just generally riding around, I have a small “side by
side� saddlebag
https://www.axiomgear.com/products/bags/seymour-panniers/seymour-oceanweave-p25-twin/,
which used to hold a change of clothes, my lunch and a few tools. Going
touring, I’d bring out the big guns - a set of four full sized panniers. So
unless my bike is parked, there’s typically a bag mounted on it.

When going to work I use one of these:

https://lonepeakpacks.com/product/sundance-pannier/

For a change of clothes and any junk I need to move back and forth.

On the other side I carry a soft zipper lunch box rigged with fake
carabiners and a bungy cord.

Having watched one of those seatpost beam racks waggling back and forth
like the tail on a demented dog I don't think I would consider using
one.


They are not horrible but, as with most bicycle hardware,
riders would much rather die by flames than read directions.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, July 24, 2020 at 9:48:55 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/24/2020 11:08 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Ralph Barone writes:

AMuzi wrote:
On 7/23/2020 5:57 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 14:54:55 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 7/23/2020 1:30 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 5:42:11 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/23/2020 2:58 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 4:17:21 AM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/22/2020 1:19 PM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 22.07.2020 um 18:41 schrieb :

If you wanted a city bike why didn't you buy a city bike? Spending
more money on a sport bike doesn't mean it should be anything more
than a sport bike.

Nowadays, there's also Gravel bikes as a cross between sport bikes and
city bikes.

IOW, sport bikes should be used only for sporty riding. If you want to
ride in a city, buy a city bike. If you want to carry loads, buy a
touring bike. If you ever want to ride on gravel, buy a gravel bike. If
you want to ride in comfort, buy a comfort bike... etc., etc. This is
the age of bike specialization!

You say you want versatility? How quaint! That's obviously a thing of
the past. Get with the program and buy several new bikes.

--
- Frank Krygowski

No, just think carefully before you buy a bike. Buying a time trial
bike is not wise if you want to carry a lot of stuff once in a while.

Right. Because building in a few tapped holes for a rack attachement
would slow a time trial bike SO much! Then there's the similar
performance boost by using a delicate carbon fiber seatpost that can't
support a seatpost rack. You never know when Mr. Froome might challenge
you to a quick sprint, so you need those advantages!

All that is not the question. You should asked why the OP end up with
that bike if putting on a rack was a requirement. With the current
offerings of bikes you must be really dumb/ignorant/foolish/naive not
finding a bike that can't take a rear rack even without an adaptor
which is a kludge from the beginning. Today most of the times you end
up what is called nowadays with a gravel bike.


If you want a versatile bike buy one, they are out there, even
with through axles.


I wonder about the marketing geniuses who make lack of versatility a
selling point. And the customers who say "This will be my only bike, but
I'll never ever want to carry anything with it."

The marketing guy is just doing his job and I don't think he puts
'lack of versatility' in the ad or mention it in the commercial. If
plenty versatile bikes are out there who is to blame? And you know
what versatility will be mentioned as a selling point for the bikes in
question. You just have to pay attention.

Yes, you do nave to pay attention to avoid getting a trendy bike with
hugely limited practicality. Because ability to carry more than a loaf
of bread is now considered somehow detrimental, at least in some market
segments. Just as, recently, ability to install even 28mm tires was
somehow detrimental.

It didn't used to be that way. Plenty of people carried significant
loads on "sport touring" bikes, either commuting to work, getting
groceries or even hauling camping gear. When unladen, those bikes worked
as well as full-on racing bikes by simply changing rear cogs.

No more. Now you've got to realize that "sporty" means "can't carry
anything." If you're a denizen of this discussion group or an avid
reader of other bike information you'll have been warned. But if you're
an average bike customer you can end up stuck.

I guess this is somehow good for the industry. Retailers can say "You
want to do sporty weekend rides AND ride to work? Well, you'll need two
bikes!" But it seems counterproductive for people who actually ride bikes.


But Frank, how many people today buy a bicycle with the intent of
carrying a load on it? You and who else? The Lawyer has never mention
a load on his commuting bike? Andrew has never mentioned carrying a
load to work, I (blushes) have never carried a load on my bicycles....
--
Cheers,

John B.


Au contraire!

I regularly carry a plastic shopping bag in one hand while
riding. For a 'big' load (a kilo or two) I'll even slip the
bag over my wrist.


Riding to work, or just generally riding around, I have a small “side by
side†saddlebag
https://www.axiomgear.com/products/bags/seymour-panniers/seymour-oceanweave-p25-twin/,
which used to hold a change of clothes, my lunch and a few tools. Going
touring, I’d bring out the big guns - a set of four full sized panniers. So
unless my bike is parked, there’s typically a bag mounted on it.

When going to work I use one of these:

https://lonepeakpacks.com/product/sundance-pannier/

For a change of clothes and any junk I need to move back and forth.

On the other side I carry a soft zipper lunch box rigged with fake
carabiners and a bungy cord.

Having watched one of those seatpost beam racks waggling back and forth
like the tail on a demented dog I don't think I would consider using
one.


They are not horrible but, as with most bicycle hardware,
riders would much rather die by flames than read directions.
Some touring bikes have enough Wheelbase that if your rack is mounted high enough your heels don't hit those square bags but even with my Schwinn Voyagers I had to have bike bags with the cutaways for heel clearance.

writes:

On Friday, July 24, 2020 at 9:48:55 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/24/2020 11:08 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Ralph Barone writes:

AMuzi wrote:
On 7/23/2020 5:57 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 14:54:55 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 7/23/2020 1:30 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 5:42:11 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/23/2020 2:58 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 4:17:21 AM UTC+2, Frank
Krygowski wrote:
On 7/22/2020 1:19 PM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 22.07.2020 um 18:41 schrieb :

If you wanted a city bike why didn't you buy a city bike? Spending
more money on a sport bike doesn't mean it should be anything more
than a sport bike.

Nowadays, there's also Gravel bikes as a cross between
sport bikes and
city bikes.

IOW, sport bikes should be used only for sporty riding. If
you want to
ride in a city, buy a city bike. If you want to carry loads, buy a
touring bike. If you ever want to ride on gravel, buy a
gravel bike. If
you want to ride in comfort, buy a comfort bike... etc.,
etc. This is
the age of bike specialization!

You say you want versatility? How quaint! That's obviously
a thing of
the past. Get with the program and buy several new bikes.

--
- Frank Krygowski

No, just think carefully before you buy a bike. Buying a time trial
bike is not wise if you want to carry a lot of stuff once in a while.

Right. Because building in a few tapped holes for a rack attachement
would slow a time trial bike SO much! Then there's the similar
performance boost by using a delicate carbon fiber seatpost that can't
support a seatpost rack. You never know when Mr. Froome
might challenge
you to a quick sprint, so you need those advantages!

All that is not the question. You should asked why the OP end up with
that bike if putting on a rack was a requirement. With the current
offerings of bikes you must be really dumb/ignorant/foolish/naive not
finding a bike that can't take a rear rack even without an adaptor
which is a kludge from the beginning. Today most of the times you end
up what is called nowadays with a gravel bike.


If you want a versatile bike buy one, they are out there, even
with through axles.


I wonder about the marketing geniuses who make lack of versatility a
selling point. And the customers who say "This will be my
only bike, but
I'll never ever want to carry anything with it."

The marketing guy is just doing his job and I don't think he puts
'lack of versatility' in the ad or mention it in the commercial. If
plenty versatile bikes are out there who is to blame? And you know
what versatility will be mentioned as a selling point for the bikes in
question. You just have to pay attention.

Yes, you do nave to pay attention to avoid getting a trendy bike with
hugely limited practicality. Because ability to carry more than a loaf
of bread is now considered somehow detrimental, at least in some market
segments. Just as, recently, ability to install even 28mm tires was
somehow detrimental.

It didn't used to be that way. Plenty of people carried significant
loads on "sport touring" bikes, either commuting to work, getting
groceries or even hauling camping gear. When unladen, those bikes worked
as well as full-on racing bikes by simply changing rear cogs.

No more. Now you've got to realize that "sporty" means "can't carry
anything." If you're a denizen of this discussion group or an avid
reader of other bike information you'll have been warned. But if you're
an average bike customer you can end up stuck.

I guess this is somehow good for the industry. Retailers can say "You
want to do sporty weekend rides AND ride to work? Well, you'll need two
bikes!" But it seems counterproductive for people who actually
ride bikes.


But Frank, how many people today buy a bicycle with the intent of
carrying a load on it? You and who else? The Lawyer has never mention
a load on his commuting bike? Andrew has never mentioned carrying a
load to work, I (blushes) have never carried a load on my bicycles...
--
Cheers,

John B.


Au contraire!

I regularly carry a plastic shopping bag in one hand while
riding. For a 'big' load (a kilo or two) I'll even slip the
bag over my wrist.


Riding to work, or just generally riding around, I have a small “side by
side†saddlebag
https://www.axiomgear.com/products/bags/seymour-panniers/seymour-oceanweave-p25-twin/,
which used to hold a change of clothes, my lunch and a few tools. Going
touring, I’d bring out the big guns - a set of four full sized
panniers. So
unless my bike is parked, there’s typically a bag mounted on it.

When going to work I use one of these:

https://lonepeakpacks.com/product/sundance-pannier/

For a change of clothes and any junk I need to move back and forth.

On the other side I carry a soft zipper lunch box rigged with fake
carabiners and a bungy cord.

Having watched one of those seatpost beam racks waggling back and forth
like the tail on a demented dog I don't think I would consider using
one.


They are not horrible but, as with most bicycle hardware,
riders would much rather die by flames than read directions.
Some touring bikes have enough Wheelbase that if your rack is mounted
high enough your heels don't hit those square bags but even with my
Schwinn Voyagers I had to have bike bags with the cutaways for heel
clearance.

They don't have a cutaway, but the bottom is tapered to give some extra
clearance. I use them on a bike with fairly long chainstays.

On Friday, July 24, 2020 at 1:28:13 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
writes:

On Friday, July 24, 2020 at 9:48:55 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/24/2020 11:08 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Ralph Barone writes:

AMuzi wrote:
On 7/23/2020 5:57 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 14:54:55 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 7/23/2020 1:30 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 5:42:11 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/23/2020 2:58 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 4:17:21 AM UTC+2, Frank
Krygowski wrote:
On 7/22/2020 1:19 PM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 22.07.2020 um 18:41 schrieb :

If you wanted a city bike why didn't you buy a city bike? Spending
more money on a sport bike doesn't mean it should be anything more
than a sport bike.

Nowadays, there's also Gravel bikes as a cross between
sport bikes and
city bikes.

IOW, sport bikes should be used only for sporty riding. If
you want to
ride in a city, buy a city bike. If you want to carry loads, buy a
touring bike. If you ever want to ride on gravel, buy a
gravel bike. If
you want to ride in comfort, buy a comfort bike... etc.,
etc. This is
the age of bike specialization!

You say you want versatility? How quaint! That's obviously
a thing of
the past. Get with the program and buy several new bikes.

--
- Frank Krygowski

No, just think carefully before you buy a bike. Buying a time trial
bike is not wise if you want to carry a lot of stuff once in a while.

Right. Because building in a few tapped holes for a rack attachement
would slow a time trial bike SO much! Then there's the similar
performance boost by using a delicate carbon fiber seatpost that can't
support a seatpost rack. You never know when Mr. Froome
might challenge
you to a quick sprint, so you need those advantages!

All that is not the question. You should asked why the OP end up with
that bike if putting on a rack was a requirement. With the current
offerings of bikes you must be really dumb/ignorant/foolish/naive not
finding a bike that can't take a rear rack even without an adaptor
which is a kludge from the beginning. Today most of the times you end
up what is called nowadays with a gravel bike.


If you want a versatile bike buy one, they are out there, even
with through axles.


I wonder about the marketing geniuses who make lack of versatility a
selling point. And the customers who say "This will be my
only bike, but
I'll never ever want to carry anything with it."

The marketing guy is just doing his job and I don't think he puts
'lack of versatility' in the ad or mention it in the commercial.. If
plenty versatile bikes are out there who is to blame? And you know
what versatility will be mentioned as a selling point for the bikes in
question. You just have to pay attention.

Yes, you do nave to pay attention to avoid getting a trendy bike with
hugely limited practicality. Because ability to carry more than a loaf
of bread is now considered somehow detrimental, at least in some market
segments. Just as, recently, ability to install even 28mm tires was
somehow detrimental.

It didn't used to be that way. Plenty of people carried significant
loads on "sport touring" bikes, either commuting to work, getting
groceries or even hauling camping gear. When unladen, those bikes worked
as well as full-on racing bikes by simply changing rear cogs.

No more. Now you've got to realize that "sporty" means "can't carry
anything." If you're a denizen of this discussion group or an avid
reader of other bike information you'll have been warned. But if you're
an average bike customer you can end up stuck.

I guess this is somehow good for the industry. Retailers can say "You
want to do sporty weekend rides AND ride to work? Well, you'll need two
bikes!" But it seems counterproductive for people who actually
ride bikes.


But Frank, how many people today buy a bicycle with the intent of
carrying a load on it? You and who else? The Lawyer has never mention
a load on his commuting bike? Andrew has never mentioned carrying a
load to work, I (blushes) have never carried a load on my bicycles...
--
Cheers,

John B.


Au contraire!

I regularly carry a plastic shopping bag in one hand while
riding. For a 'big' load (a kilo or two) I'll even slip the
bag over my wrist.


Riding to work, or just generally riding around, I have a small “side by
side†saddlebag
https://www.axiomgear.com/products/bags/seymour-panniers/seymour-oceanweave-p25-twin/,
which used to hold a change of clothes, my lunch and a few tools. Going
touring, I’d bring out the big guns - a set of four full sized
panniers. So
unless my bike is parked, there’s typically a bag mounted on it.

When going to work I use one of these:

https://lonepeakpacks.com/product/sundance-pannier/

For a change of clothes and any junk I need to move back and forth.

On the other side I carry a soft zipper lunch box rigged with fake
carabiners and a bungy cord.

Having watched one of those seatpost beam racks waggling back and forth
like the tail on a demented dog I don't think I would consider using
one.


They are not horrible but, as with most bicycle hardware,
riders would much rather die by flames than read directions.
Some touring bikes have enough Wheelbase that if your rack is mounted
high enough your heels don't hit those square bags but even with my
Schwinn Voyagers I had to have bike bags with the cutaways for heel
clearance.

They don't have a cutaway, but the bottom is tapered to give some extra
clearance. I use them on a bike with fairly long chainstays.

I also have the problem that at 6'4" I have a size 11 1/2 shoe.

On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 5:53:44 AM UTC-7, SconnieRoadie wrote:
Hi,

Trek in their infinite wisdom chose not to put attachment points on my GF's bike, which also has 12mm thru axles and disc brakes. In searching for an axle mount rear rack, I find nothing. Not that the brackets to attach with an 9mm QR can't be easily cootered out to fit, but I would like a no-cooter solution, i.e., 12mm thru axle mount rear rack.

There is a beam style that has padded metal clamps to attach to the seat stays that would work but that is like $90 and the axle mount ones are like $35.

Little help here?

TIA

Sconnie

That than try to fit a rack to a bike that isn't designed to take a rack here is a pretty goof compromise; https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bop...164178704.html

On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:55:35 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 7/23/2020 11:49 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 23:34:48 -0400, Joy Beeson
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:48:05 +0700, John B.
wrote:

be a big bicycle that could carry a
weeks shopping :-)

I used to do it when I lived in New Salem and the nearest grocery was
in Guilderland. IL didn't take the car unless I wanted a few bags of
cat litter. And the wire panniers I used then were a bit smaller than
my new pair. The old ones were designed to fit paper grocery bags; the
new ones are an inch wider, and it took me a while to stop catching
them on things.

But we were two old people who don't eat very much, and there was a
superb farm stand and an excellent meat market just the other side of
Voorheesville.

I used to buy a can of frozen fruit juice every time, to keep my food
cold. I don't think I'd begun to insulate my pannier then; I just
huddled the cold stuff together with the fruit juice in the middle,
and surrounded it with stuff that keeps at ambient. I did line the
pannier with a paper bag inside a plastic bag. (Plastic bags were the
same size as paper bags at the time. Really convenient for packing
things into paper-bag size panniers.)

I put the fruit juice in the fridge with the other stuff, and
reconstituted it when it had finished thawing.

Frankly I can't even imagine my wife packing a weeks groceries on a
bicycle. Back in the Phuket days I drove a pickup and a weeks shopping
was darned covered the bed of the truck. Today, we just came back from
Macro - I don't know if you have them in the U.S. but it is a major
wholesale store here - and because it is a four day weekend we needed
supplies for the holidays. The whole "trunk" of a Honda CR-V and some
in the back seat.
--
Cheers,

John B.


Just wait. When you get old, your grocery volume will get a
lot smaller.


Just Wait? When you get old? Good Lord! I'm 88 years old, how much
longer do I have to wait?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:59:20 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, July 24, 2020 at 5:55:46 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/23/2020 11:49 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 23:34:48 -0400, Joy Beeson
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:48:05 +0700, John B.
wrote:

be a big bicycle that could carry a
weeks shopping :-)

I used to do it when I lived in New Salem and the nearest grocery was
in Guilderland. IL didn't take the car unless I wanted a few bags of
cat litter. And the wire panniers I used then were a bit smaller than
my new pair. The old ones were designed to fit paper grocery bags; the
new ones are an inch wider, and it took me a while to stop catching
them on things.

But we were two old people who don't eat very much, and there was a
superb farm stand and an excellent meat market just the other side of
Voorheesville.

I used to buy a can of frozen fruit juice every time, to keep my food
cold. I don't think I'd begun to insulate my pannier then; I just
huddled the cold stuff together with the fruit juice in the middle,
and surrounded it with stuff that keeps at ambient. I did line the
pannier with a paper bag inside a plastic bag. (Plastic bags were the
same size as paper bags at the time. Really convenient for packing
things into paper-bag size panniers.)

I put the fruit juice in the fridge with the other stuff, and
reconstituted it when it had finished thawing.

Frankly I can't even imagine my wife packing a weeks groceries on a
bicycle. Back in the Phuket days I drove a pickup and a weeks shopping
was darned covered the bed of the truck. Today, we just came back from
Macro - I don't know if you have them in the U.S. but it is a major
wholesale store here - and because it is a four day weekend we needed
supplies for the holidays. The whole "trunk" of a Honda CR-V and some
in the back seat.
--
Cheers,

John B.


Just wait. When you get old, your grocery volume will get a
lot smaller.

I haven't noticed my grocery loads getting smaller but I have noticed the prices getting very much higher.

But Tommy, you told us that you are a millionaire and now you are
bitching and moaning about grocery cost???
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, 24 July 2020 18:57:14 UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:55:35 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 7/23/2020 11:49 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 23:34:48 -0400, Joy Beeson
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:48:05 +0700, John B.
wrote:

be a big bicycle that could carry a
weeks shopping :-)

I used to do it when I lived in New Salem and the nearest grocery was
in Guilderland. IL didn't take the car unless I wanted a few bags of
cat litter. And the wire panniers I used then were a bit smaller than
my new pair. The old ones were designed to fit paper grocery bags; the
new ones are an inch wider, and it took me a while to stop catching
them on things.

But we were two old people who don't eat very much, and there was a
superb farm stand and an excellent meat market just the other side of
Voorheesville.

I used to buy a can of frozen fruit juice every time, to keep my food
cold. I don't think I'd begun to insulate my pannier then; I just
huddled the cold stuff together with the fruit juice in the middle,
and surrounded it with stuff that keeps at ambient. I did line the
pannier with a paper bag inside a plastic bag. (Plastic bags were the
same size as paper bags at the time. Really convenient for packing
things into paper-bag size panniers.)

I put the fruit juice in the fridge with the other stuff, and
reconstituted it when it had finished thawing.

Frankly I can't even imagine my wife packing a weeks groceries on a
bicycle. Back in the Phuket days I drove a pickup and a weeks shopping
was darned covered the bed of the truck. Today, we just came back from
Macro - I don't know if you have them in the U.S. but it is a major
wholesale store here - and because it is a four day weekend we needed
supplies for the holidays. The whole "trunk" of a Honda CR-V and some
in the back seat.
--
Cheers,

John B.


Just wait. When you get old, your grocery volume will get a
lot smaller.


Just Wait? When you get old? Good Lord! I'm 88 years old, how much
longer do I have to wait?
--
Cheers,

John B.

My grandfather was 103 years young and stated that he was saving up for his old age.

Cheers