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Boston Cycling - You make the call
Frank Krygowski wrote:
Perhaps the most common misconception is that it's safer to ride facing traffic. You should get the 2nd edition, then ... https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51BCTip8apL.jpg eg SCNR |
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Boston Cycling - You make the call
On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
writes: On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 6:02:22 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote: jbeattie writes: On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 1:38:44 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2020-07-29 16:48, wrote: On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 1:54:13 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2020-07-29 11:58, AMuzi wrote: https://nypost.com/video/can-i-get-a...ly-close-call/ unclear to me. Looks like technically the woman is at fault because she could not have had a left green arrow, just a general green and then one must wait out oncoming traffic. What she did could amount to a hit-and-run. The cyclist was, however, riding recklessly. Blowing past stopped traffic on the right at such high speed is not smart, whether in a lane or in a bike lane. Regardless of vehicle used. I never do that. Here in California I have seen motorcyclists do that while lane-splitting, blasting down a lane divide. I guess most of them don't really need social security, they won't live that long. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I was riding along in the bike lane pretty fast - about 20 mph to get through a light before it changed and the asshole in the left turn lane turned RIGHT and I came within inches of buying it. In another case there is an exit from what is essentially a freeway - the San Mateo bridge that stops at a light in Hayward. My light changed and no one was moving. I was just about to take off and some horses ass coming off of the bridge blew right through that red light at 60 mph or so at least 5 seconds after the light had changed red for him. From now on I'm VERY careful there and do not move until the traffic in my direction moves. I guess those drivers weren't texting after all. I saw several of those during one ride of a mere 47 miles. Since quite a while I do not trust green lights. It's the blessing/curse of bike lanes. They are lanes after all, and legally speaking, the turning car in the video violated the right of way of the bicyclist who was through traffic IN A LANE (damn it, a green lane to boot!). The problem is that the bicyclist was hidden behind the stopped cars, which is exactly the problem with sheltered bike lanes. They create the same sort of chute arrangement, and when you come to an intersection, you better be paying attention and not flying along. If there were no bike lane, passing on the roadway on the right is illegal in most states (not Oregon anymore). Before the new law, I tried a similar collision case and lost. Waaah. More than 50% fault allocated to my client, who was not in a bike lane and just whipping along the right side of a bunch of stopped cars when a car entered the roadway from the right into a hole made by stopped traffic. Whap. Not illegal in Massachusetts to pass stopped cars on the right. Moving cars I'm not so sure about. I don't usually do plaintiffs' PI and took the case as a favor. My experts were a king PDX traffic cop (who was gung-ho about bikes passing on the right because it moved traffic) and, of all people, Mia Birk, queen of infrastructure and Franks arch enema. https://www.amazon.com/Joyride-Pedal.../dp/0615384110 She called me while writing that book. I think I'm in it somewhere, but I'm too cheap to buy it. Shortly after losing my case, they put a bike lane in where the accident occurred, but I didn't get a do-over.. They must have libraries in Portland, cheapness is not an explanation. Driving laws are pretty much universal because people moving from state to state for any reason have to all know how to drive correctly. So most states follow the suggestions of the Federal Highway Traffic Safety Commission. I believe that 49 states out of 50 have adopted some variant of the Uniform Vehicle Code. I live in the other one, which has maintained its own code over many years by, for example, striking out "oxcart" and writing in "bicycle". I can just picture speed limit signs for oxcarts. Though I do remember the days when it wasn't unusual to horses and buggies going into town. This was out in Tracy which was a little behind the times. The local junkman had a horse and wagon probably until he passed away. |
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Boston Cycling - You make the call
On 7/31/2020 1:31 PM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote: Perhaps the most common misconception is that it's safer to ride facing traffic. You should get the 2nd edition, then ... https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51BCTip8apL.jpg eg SCNR Wow! That's funny and scary at the same time! -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Boston Cycling - You make the call
On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
writes: On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 6:02:22 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote: jbeattie writes: On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 1:38:44 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2020-07-29 16:48, wrote: On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 1:54:13 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2020-07-29 11:58, AMuzi wrote: https://nypost.com/video/can-i-get-a...ly-close-call/ unclear to me. Looks like technically the woman is at fault because she could not have had a left green arrow, just a general green and then one must wait out oncoming traffic. What she did could amount to a hit-and-run. The cyclist was, however, riding recklessly. Blowing past stopped traffic on the right at such high speed is not smart, whether in a lane or in a bike lane. Regardless of vehicle used. I never do that. Here in California I have seen motorcyclists do that while lane-splitting, blasting down a lane divide. I guess most of them don't really need social security, they won't live that long. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I was riding along in the bike lane pretty fast - about 20 mph to get through a light before it changed and the asshole in the left turn lane turned RIGHT and I came within inches of buying it. In another case there is an exit from what is essentially a freeway - the San Mateo bridge that stops at a light in Hayward. My light changed and no one was moving. I was just about to take off and some horses ass coming off of the bridge blew right through that red light at 60 mph or so at least 5 seconds after the light had changed red for him. From now on I'm VERY careful there and do not move until the traffic in my direction moves. I guess those drivers weren't texting after all. I saw several of those during one ride of a mere 47 miles. Since quite a while I do not trust green lights. It's the blessing/curse of bike lanes. They are lanes after all, and legally speaking, the turning car in the video violated the right of way of the bicyclist who was through traffic IN A LANE (damn it, a green lane to boot!). The problem is that the bicyclist was hidden behind the stopped cars, which is exactly the problem with sheltered bike lanes. They create the same sort of chute arrangement, and when you come to an intersection, you better be paying attention and not flying along. If there were no bike lane, passing on the roadway on the right is illegal in most states (not Oregon anymore). Before the new law, I tried a similar collision case and lost. Waaah. More than 50% fault allocated to my client, who was not in a bike lane and just whipping along the right side of a bunch of stopped cars when a car entered the roadway from the right into a hole made by stopped traffic. Whap. Not illegal in Massachusetts to pass stopped cars on the right. Moving cars I'm not so sure about. I don't usually do plaintiffs' PI and took the case as a favor. My experts were a king PDX traffic cop (who was gung-ho about bikes passing on the right because it moved traffic) and, of all people, Mia Birk, queen of infrastructure and Franks arch enema. https://www.amazon.com/Joyride-Pedal.../dp/0615384110 She called me while writing that book. I think I'm in it somewhere, but I'm too cheap to buy it. Shortly after losing my case, they put a bike lane in where the accident occurred, but I didn't get a do-over.. They must have libraries in Portland, cheapness is not an explanation. Driving laws are pretty much universal because people moving from state to state for any reason have to all know how to drive correctly. So most states follow the suggestions of the Federal Highway Traffic Safety Commission. I believe that 49 states out of 50 have adopted some variant of the Uniform Vehicle Code. I live in the other one, which has maintained its own code over many years by, for example, striking out "oxcart" and writing in "bicycle". Mass. Gen. Laws Ch. 89 Section 3: Sleigh or sled; bells Section 3. No person shall travel on a way with a sleigh or sled drawn by a horse, unless there are at least three bells attached to some part of the harness. F*** that! I woke up in a FREE COUNTRY! I'm not putting three stinkin' bells on my horse. Ch. 85 Section 11E: Traffic law violations by bicyclist Section 11E. A police officer who observes a traffic law violation committed by a bicyclist may request the offender to state his true name and address. Whoever, upon such request, refuses to state his name and address or whoever states a false name and address or a name and address which is not his name and address in ordinary use, shall be punished by a fine of not less than $20 nor more than $50. An offender who refuses to state his true name and address may be arrested without a warrant for such refusal but no person shall be arrested without a warrant for any other traffic law violation committed while operating a bicycle. A police officer shall use the ticketing procedure described in chapter 90C to cite a bicyclist for a traffic law violation but the violation shall not affect the status of the bicyclist's license to operate a motor vehicle nor shall it affect the bicyclist's status in the safe driver insurance plan. When a citation is issued to a bicyclist, it shall be clearly indicated on the ticket that the violator is a bicyclist, and failure to do so shall be a defense to the violation. The parent or guardian of a person under 18 years of age shall not authorize or knowingly permit that person to violate this section. A violation of this section by a person under 18 years of age shall not affect any civil right or liability nor shall the violation be a criminal offense. If the offender is under 16 years of age, the officer may give the notice to the parent or guardian of the offender. All fines collected by a city or town pursuant to this section shall be used by the city or town for the development and implementation of bicycle safety programs. My "true name" is The Road Warrior, and I am a free person. -- Jay Beattie (a name foisted upon me by The Man). |
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On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:00:17 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 7/30/2020 8:59 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 09:02:51 -0400, Bertrand wrote: https://nypost.com/video/can-i-get-a...ly-close-call/ unclear to me. Cars were stacked up for at least two blocks at the light, but did not block the intersection, allowing the driver to turn left. She was not watching for the biker, who had the right of way. Still and all, I don't think I would have wanted to go as fast as he did when to the right of stopped traffic. I agree. Blasting through the intersection like that risks a collision not only with a left-turning car that you can't see, but also with someone who decides at the last second to get out of that traffic and turn right. I probably would have approached that intersection at no more than a fast walking pace. What's the approved vehicular cyclist behavior there? Just wait in line with the other vehicles? I have one basic rule that has worked for all the years I've been riding a bike. DON'T GET HIT! Look both ways, look in front and in back, if in doubt get off and walk, or any other action the prevents you from being hit. That sounds fine, but here's the problem: some people have crazy ideas on how best to not get hit. Perhaps the most common misconception is that it's safer to ride facing traffic. But there are others that are similarly ineffective or impractical - for example, we hear from time to time that bicyclists should "pretend you're invisible." There really are details one must learn. I think that you make it much more complicated then it actually is. You say, riding like you are invisible is a misconception yet in a great many crashes the automobile driver says "I didn't see him". In short my philosophy of "don't get hit" is far simpler and more or less all compassing. -- Cheers, John B. |
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Boston Cycling - You make the call
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 14:37:02 -0400, Radey Shouman wrote:
writes: Driving laws are pretty much universal because people moving from state to state for any reason have to all know how to drive correctly. So most states follow the suggestions of the Federal Highway Traffic Safety Commission. I believe that 49 states out of 50 have adopted some variant of the Uniform Vehicle Code. I live in the other one, which has maintained its own code over many years by, for example, striking out "oxcart" and writing in "bicycle". Lol, until they did a 'cleanuo; in the 1990's, in NSW Australia, there was a law on the books that drivers of horse drawn vehicles were allowed to urinate on the wheel in public places. I beleve the cleanup was sparked by a public demonstratin of this loophole in the main plaza of Sydney NSW. |
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Boston Cycling - You make the call
On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 4:31:16 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 11:37:05 AM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote: writes: On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 6:02:22 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote: jbeattie writes: On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 1:38:44 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2020-07-29 16:48, wrote: On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 1:54:13 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2020-07-29 11:58, AMuzi wrote: https://nypost.com/video/can-i-get-a...ly-close-call/ unclear to me. Looks like technically the woman is at fault because she could not have had a left green arrow, just a general green and then one must wait out oncoming traffic. What she did could amount to a hit-and-run. The cyclist was, however, riding recklessly. Blowing past stopped traffic on the right at such high speed is not smart, whether in a lane or in a bike lane. Regardless of vehicle used. I never do that. Here in California I have seen motorcyclists do that while lane-splitting, blasting down a lane divide. I guess most of them don't really need social security, they won't live that long. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I was riding along in the bike lane pretty fast - about 20 mph to get through a light before it changed and the asshole in the left turn lane turned RIGHT and I came within inches of buying it. In another case there is an exit from what is essentially a freeway - the San Mateo bridge that stops at a light in Hayward. My light changed and no one was moving. I was just about to take off and some horses ass coming off of the bridge blew right through that red light at 60 mph or so at least 5 seconds after the light had changed red for him. From now on I'm VERY careful there and do not move until the traffic in my direction moves. I guess those drivers weren't texting after all. I saw several of those during one ride of a mere 47 miles. Since quite a while I do not trust green lights. It's the blessing/curse of bike lanes. They are lanes after all, and legally speaking, the turning car in the video violated the right of way of the bicyclist who was through traffic IN A LANE (damn it, a green lane to boot!). The problem is that the bicyclist was hidden behind the stopped cars, which is exactly the problem with sheltered bike lanes. They create the same sort of chute arrangement, and when you come to an intersection, you better be paying attention and not flying along. If there were no bike lane, passing on the roadway on the right is illegal in most states (not Oregon anymore). Before the new law, I tried a similar collision case and lost. Waaah. More than 50% fault allocated to my client, who was not in a bike lane and just whipping along the right side of a bunch of stopped cars when a car entered the roadway from the right into a hole made by stopped traffic. Whap. Not illegal in Massachusetts to pass stopped cars on the right. Moving cars I'm not so sure about. I don't usually do plaintiffs' PI and took the case as a favor. My experts were a king PDX traffic cop (who was gung-ho about bikes passing on the right because it moved traffic) and, of all people, Mia Birk, queen of infrastructure and Franks arch enema. https://www.amazon.com/Joyride-Pedal.../dp/0615384110 She called me while writing that book. I think I'm in it somewhere, but I'm too cheap to buy it. Shortly after losing my case, they put a bike lane in where the accident occurred, but I didn't get a do-over. They must have libraries in Portland, cheapness is not an explanation. |
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On 7/31/2020 8:20 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:00:17 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 7/30/2020 8:59 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 09:02:51 -0400, Bertrand wrote: https://nypost.com/video/can-i-get-a...ly-close-call/ unclear to me. Cars were stacked up for at least two blocks at the light, but did not block the intersection, allowing the driver to turn left. She was not watching for the biker, who had the right of way. Still and all, I don't think I would have wanted to go as fast as he did when to the right of stopped traffic. I agree. Blasting through the intersection like that risks a collision not only with a left-turning car that you can't see, but also with someone who decides at the last second to get out of that traffic and turn right. I probably would have approached that intersection at no more than a fast walking pace. What's the approved vehicular cyclist behavior there? Just wait in line with the other vehicles? I have one basic rule that has worked for all the years I've been riding a bike. DON'T GET HIT! Look both ways, look in front and in back, if in doubt get off and walk, or any other action the prevents you from being hit. That sounds fine, but here's the problem: some people have crazy ideas on how best to not get hit. Perhaps the most common misconception is that it's safer to ride facing traffic. But there are others that are similarly ineffective or impractical - for example, we hear from time to time that bicyclists should "pretend you're invisible." There really are details one must learn. I think that you make it much more complicated then it actually is. You say, riding like you are invisible is a misconception yet in a great many crashes the automobile driver says "I didn't see him". In short my philosophy of "don't get hit" is far simpler and more or less all compassing. I'm well aware of "SMIDSY" - "Sorry, mate, I didn't see you." But "pretend you're invisible" is no solution. That would require yielding right-of-way to every motorist every time in every circumstance. "Ride in a position that makes you visible" is much better advice. "Don't get hit" is not instructive. It raises the question "But how??" -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 2020-07-31 09:28, wrote:
[...] Driving laws are pretty much universal because people moving from state to state for any reason have to all know how to drive correctly. So most states follow the suggestions of the Federal Highway Traffic Safety Commission. Not so much for cyclists. In some states cyclists are allowed to carefully roll through stop signs, in others that can result in an expensive ticket. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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