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  #141  
Old May 25th 19, 08:12 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default HOW DANGEROUS IS CYCLING? DEPENDS ON WHICH NUMBERS YOU EMPHASISE.

On Fri, 24 May 2019 23:41:01 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 2:22:22 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
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One might ask the question of whether there is some ulterior reason
for wanting to build bike paths? After all, the advocate has been
posting here for years with no mention of bicycle paths until very
recently. Was he struck by lightening while on the road to Damascus?
Are there other reasons?
--
cheers,

John B.

WAY OFF TOPIC but...

Just wondering why so many Americans/ex Americans use the word "lightening" (to make lighter) rather than the word "lightning" (a bolt/sheet of visible electricity in the sky)? I've seen this in so many places including online literature that it's made me curious.

Cheers


I don't know (and I'm hardly an authority of modern English :-) but it
might be how we pronounce the word. But you are right that the
correct spelling is "lightning".
Next time I'll write "a flash of light" :-)

You seem to be up rather late. Working night shift this week?
--
cheers,

John B.

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  #142  
Old May 25th 19, 08:32 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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Default HOW DANGEROUS IS CYCLING? DEPENDS ON WHICH NUMBERS YOU EMPHASISE.

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:22:22 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:

Was he struck by lightening while on the road to Damascus?


Nope.

Are there other reasons?


Yes. He was struck by enlightenment like a bolt of lightning from the heavens.

Andre Jute
English isn't my first language, not by half a dozen or so, but some people are just an embarrassment
  #143  
Old May 25th 19, 10:04 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Sir Ridesalot
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On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 3:12:56 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2019 23:41:01 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 2:22:22 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
Snipped
One might ask the question of whether there is some ulterior reason
for wanting to build bike paths? After all, the advocate has been
posting here for years with no mention of bicycle paths until very
recently. Was he struck by lightening while on the road to Damascus?
Are there other reasons?
--
cheers,

John B.

WAY OFF TOPIC but...

Just wondering why so many Americans/ex Americans use the word "lightening" (to make lighter) rather than the word "lightning" (a bolt/sheet of visible electricity in the sky)? I've seen this in so many places including online literature that it's made me curious.

Cheers


I don't know (and I'm hardly an authority of modern English :-) but it
might be how we pronounce the word. But you are right that the
correct spelling is "lightning".
Next time I'll write "a flash of light" :-)

You seem to be up rather late. Working night shift this week?
--
cheers,

John B.


Not working nights. Retired. Also have sleep disorders. Do a lot of riding at night though = roads are really quiet. Just need to watch for the critters on the shoulders of the roads and make sure said critters don't cross right in front of me.

Cheers
  #144  
Old May 25th 19, 11:18 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default HOW DANGEROUS IS CYCLING? DEPENDS ON WHICH NUMBERS YOU EMPHASISE.

On Sat, 25 May 2019 02:04:07 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 3:12:56 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2019 23:41:01 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 2:22:22 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
Snipped
One might ask the question of whether there is some ulterior reason
for wanting to build bike paths? After all, the advocate has been
posting here for years with no mention of bicycle paths until very
recently. Was he struck by lightening while on the road to Damascus?
Are there other reasons?
--
cheers,

John B.
WAY OFF TOPIC but...

Just wondering why so many Americans/ex Americans use the word "lightening" (to make lighter) rather than the word "lightning" (a bolt/sheet of visible electricity in the sky)? I've seen this in so many places including online literature that it's made me curious.

Cheers


I don't know (and I'm hardly an authority of modern English :-) but it
might be how we pronounce the word. But you are right that the
correct spelling is "lightning".
Next time I'll write "a flash of light" :-)

You seem to be up rather late. Working night shift this week?
--
cheers,

John B.


Not working nights. Retired. Also have sleep disorders. Do a lot of riding at night though = roads are really quiet. Just need to watch for the critters on the shoulders of the roads and make sure said critters don't cross right in front of me.

Cheers


If you don't sleep at night when do you sleep?

I had a similar problem but then we moved to the country and now get
up at 05:00 and I don't seem to have a problem in getting to sleep
any more.
--
cheers,

John B.

  #145  
Old May 25th 19, 12:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Andre Jute wrote:
On Friday, May 24, 2019 at 11:36:33 PM UTC+1, Duane wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
On Friday, May 24, 2019 at 5:36:16 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote to Krygowski:

Risk is different for different riders. If you JRA at 12mph on dry
village streets, you are at low risk of injury. If you ride in snow, ice
and rain on steep, broken roads, you are at a higher risk of injury. If
you do laps in the Arc d'Triumph roundabout or filtering through London
traffic, you're in a whole other risk category. And then, each of those
categories is modified further by skill and experience.

-- Jay Beattie.

I've given up trying to educate that obstinate jerk, Frank Krygowski. But
I must congratulate you on a good job, though your success will, like all
past efforts, be temporary. Bad pennies keep turning up.

You might add that, if you're on a road bike with narrow tyres, your risk
of an incident is higher than if you're on balloons (50mm wide and up)
though only if on downhills you proceed at the same pace as you would on
narrow tyres rather than taking advantage of the greater capability of the balloons.

Andre Jute
2.0 bar


Jay is correct. Risk is different for different riders and even for the
same rider in different circumstances. All cycling is not the same.
Sometime I’m trudging through the traffic alone commuting to work.
Sometimes I’m out in the country in a group pushing it. Both have
different parameters regarding risk etc. Some cyclists do only one or the
other. Some do both. Hard to group them together statistically. And what
would be the point anyway?

--
duane


I understand what you two are getting at, and I agree. But the actuary of
an insurance company would be interested in the average danger in a
representative year to all the cyclists in his demographic universe,
simply as a base number from which to offset the factors we've already
cited, plus no doubt others so that individual quotes can be prepared
that will be different for me, riding in a country area and you, riding
in a great metropolis. We've already had an example of where it has
become difficult to get insurance for a mass ride of very occasional
riders, where the cause might be insufficient data to make a rational
quote, too many payouts for automobile crashes on that particular piece
of road (from an insurance company's viewpoint not irrelevant at all),
prior unprofitable experience insuring such mass bicycle rides, or simply
common sense skepticism.

You have to keep these two ideas, one based on demographics in large
universes, one based on particular risks in particular places, separate,
because the statistical principles applying to them are quite as
different as the underlying assumptions of macro- and
micro-economics.That is what's so tiresome about Krygowski's ignorant
insistence that all you need is a technician's rote-learned math and
Leontiev is your uncle: hey, presto, you understand statistics! This
ignorance and insensitivity to people, coupled to immorality, is what
drives Krygowski's repeated attempts to argue from the particular (that
what he himself does is superior to what anyone else does) to the
general, and then to assume that 200 or 300 unnecessarily dead cyclists
every year don't matter.

Andre Jute
Actuaries rule


Well statistics in the macro sense can serve to direct solutions to macro
problems but don’t serve much use on the micro level. I think I was taught
that in a first year stats course. But I think that’s what you just said.

--
duane
  #146  
Old May 25th 19, 12:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Duane[_4_]
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Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 2:22:22 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
Snipped
One might ask the question of whether there is some ulterior reason
for wanting to build bike paths? After all, the advocate has been
posting here for years with no mention of bicycle paths until very
recently. Was he struck by lightening while on the road to Damascus?
Are there other reasons?
--
cheers,

John B.

WAY OFF TOPIC but...

Just wondering why so many Americans/ex Americans use the word
"lightening" (to make lighter) rather than the word "lightning" (a
bolt/sheet of visible electricity in the sky)? I've seen this in so many
places including online literature that it's made me curious.

Cheers


Poor schooling.

--
duane
  #147  
Old May 25th 19, 03:18 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
SMS
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Default HOW DANGEROUS IS CYCLING? DEPENDS ON WHICH NUMBERS YOU EMPHASISE.

On 5/25/2019 4:25 AM, Duane wrote:

snip

Well statistics in the macro sense can serve to direct solutions to macro
problems but don’t serve much use on the micro level. I think I was taught
that in a first year stats course. But I think that’s what you just said.


Statistics are notoriously bad in protecting you in a head-impact crash.

  #148  
Old May 25th 19, 08:09 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Sir Ridesalot
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Default HOW DANGEROUS IS CYCLING? DEPENDS ON WHICH NUMBERS YOU EMPHASISE.

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 6:19:02 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 25 May 2019 02:04:07 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 3:12:56 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2019 23:41:01 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 2:22:22 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
Snipped
One might ask the question of whether there is some ulterior reason
for wanting to build bike paths? After all, the advocate has been
posting here for years with no mention of bicycle paths until very
recently. Was he struck by lightening while on the road to Damascus?
Are there other reasons?
--
cheers,

John B.
WAY OFF TOPIC but...

Just wondering why so many Americans/ex Americans use the word "lightening" (to make lighter) rather than the word "lightning" (a bolt/sheet of visible electricity in the sky)? I've seen this in so many places including online literature that it's made me curious.

Cheers

I don't know (and I'm hardly an authority of modern English :-) but it
might be how we pronounce the word. But you are right that the
correct spelling is "lightning".
Next time I'll write "a flash of light" :-)

You seem to be up rather late. Working night shift this week?
--
cheers,

John B.


Not working nights. Retired. Also have sleep disorders. Do a lot of riding at night though = roads are really quiet. Just need to watch for the critters on the shoulders of the roads and make sure said critters don't cross right in front of me.

Cheers


If you don't sleep at night when do you sleep?

I had a similar problem but then we moved to the country and now get
up at 05:00 and I don't seem to have a problem in getting to sleep
any more.
--
cheers,

John B.


Sometimes I sleep at night for a bit; other times I sleep during the day. It all depends on when I can get top sleep and stay asleep.

Cheers
  #149  
Old May 25th 19, 08:12 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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Default HOW DANGEROUS IS CYCLING? DEPENDS ON WHICH NUMBERS YOU EMPHASISE.

On 5/25/2019 2:41 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 2:22:22 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
Snipped
One might ask the question of whether there is some ulterior reason
for wanting to build bike paths? After all, the advocate has been
posting here for years with no mention of bicycle paths until very
recently. Was he struck by lightening while on the road to Damascus?
Are there other reasons?
--
cheers,

John B.

WAY OFF TOPIC but...

Just wondering why so many Americans/ex Americans use the word "lightening" (to make lighter) rather than the word "lightning" (a bolt/sheet of visible electricity in the sky)? I've seen this in so many places including online literature that it's made me curious.


It's just a common misspelling, and one that software spell checkers
don't flag as wrong because it's still a legitimate word in other contexts.

An even more common one is "loose" instead of "lose." I've known very
highly educated, very intelligent people who repeatedly make that mistake.

I wouldn't loose any sleep over the mispellings.


--
- Frank Krygowski
  #150  
Old May 25th 19, 08:14 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 5/25/2019 10:18 AM, sms wrote:
On 5/25/2019 4:25 AM, Duane wrote:

snip

Well statistics in the macro sense can serve to direct solutions to macro
problems but don’t serve much use on the micro level.* I think I was
taught
that in a first year stats course.* But I think that’s what you just
said.


Statistics are notoriously bad in protecting you in a head-impact crash.


Tell that to the thousands of pedestrians who get them.

--
- Frank Krygowski
 




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