Tire liners vs slime

I'm a newbe, whats most of you prefer. I heard the tuffy liners are sharp on
the ends, and if they move can slice a tire. Are the snakeskins any better.
Thnx

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I'm a newbe, whats most of you prefer. I heard the tuffy liners are
sharp on the ends, and if they move can slice a tire. Are the
snakeskins any better. Thnx

Slime is messy and doesn't always work. Liners help. Thornproof tubes also
help a lot. Kevlar-resistant tires help some, although in my experience
they haven't. Using all at the same time should make you virtually
impenetrable.

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Phil, Squid-in-Training

On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:32:47 GMT, wrote:

I'm a newbe, whats most of you prefer. I heard the tuffy liners are sharp on
the ends, and if they move can slice a tire. Are the snakeskins any better.

I have experience with Slime. I use Mr. Tuffies a lot and love them.
They do slow the bike a little.

JT

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On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:32:47 GMT, wrote:

I'm a newbe, whats most of you prefer. I heard the tuffy liners are sharp on
the ends, and if they move can slice a tire. Are the snakeskins any better.
Thnx


It depends on what type of tire, and where you will be riding it.

I don't use any of it. Most of the time I do use a tire that is
considered flat resistant. Either with a kevlar belt or in
Continental's case "Duraskin".

Give us some more details.


Life is Good!
Jeff

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I'm a newbe, whats most of you prefer. I heard the tuffy liners are sharp on
the ends, and if they move can slice a tire. Are the snakeskins any better.
Thnx


I use both in my off road bike. Those liners are tough. I've ridden
through patches of cacti and have the needles sticking out the tire yet
have not flatted.

On my road bike which has neither, I flat regularly. Owell - the price
for speed, I suppose.

I mainly cycle tour city streets, and light trails on a fully loaded self
supported touring rig. I'm running conti TT's with tuffy liners, glass,
metal chips, nails in the roads are common. Can tuffys become displaced and
slice my tire? Decending down some hills at a high speed, and getting a
flat could be a serious problem.

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I'm a newbe, whats most of you prefer. I heard the tuffy liners are sharp
on
the ends, and if they move can slice a tire. Are the snakeskins any
better.
Thnx

wrote:
I'm a newbe, whats most of you prefer. I heard the tuffy liners are sharp on
the ends, and if they move can slice a tire. Are the snakeskins any better.
Thnx


I've been using the same pair of Mr. Tuffies for over ten years. The
only flat I got while using them was when I accidentally folded over the
end of one and it - sliced the tube. Oh and a pinch flat because I
neglected proper inflation. I never had a properly installed Mr. Tuffy
damage the tire.

Kevlar? Good, but not like the Tuffies. Sharp glass still cuts trhough
kevlar, but not easily through the thick Tuffy plastic.

Combine both? That's my current setup - I never have flats.

Sorry I can't vouch for Slime. I haven't needed to use it.

-Collin

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I mainly cycle tour city streets, and light trails on a fully loaded self
supported touring rig. I'm running conti TT's with tuffy liners, glass,
metal chips, nails in the roads are common. Can tuffys become displaced and
slice my tire? Decending down some hills at a high speed, and getting a
flat could be a serious problem.

Tuffies very, very rarely cause flats. One theory, which I abide by
when installing them, is that they only or primarily cause flats when
their overlapping secion is oriented incorrectly relative to the
wheel's rotation. The idea is that they should be oriented so that when
you're looking at the bike from the left side, and the overlap is at
the 9 o'clock position, that the downwards-pointing end of the tire
liner will be on the outside, and that this will be gentler on the
tube. It makes sense and I've seen some tire liner flats caused by
having it oriented opposite, and none when it's oriented as described.
The other thing is that rim strips shouldn't be cut, because that can
also cause flats if the cut end contacts the tube.

Basically, if you ride Tuffies, you still need to carry a spare tube.
But you would need to even if there wasn't a question of them causing
flats.

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I'm a newbe, whats most of you prefer. I heard the tuffy liners are sharp
on
the ends, and if they move can slice a tire. Are the snakeskins any
better.
Thnx


Slime is OK, but due to the solvent they use in Slime or other stuff like
Slime, you cannot patch the tube should it get a flat.
The solvent causes the patch adhesive to dissolve over a period of time and
the patch comes loose on you. Plus the solvent that oozes out at the hole,
won't let the patch stick prperly either. I am amazed as to how many flats
one can get even with Slime as the hole is too big for Slime to seal OK.
When i was a kid on a kid's bike, Slime was the only thing to use and it
worked OK up to a point, eventually you had to replace the tube and or tire,
as you couldn't keep enough air in the tube to ride around the neighborhood
even.

I prefer using a good tire with kevlar or some other puncture resistant
layer inside. The Tuffy liners are good if you don't have those kinds of
tires. Good tubes are OK, but carry several spares and a patch kit etc.

If you are in a heavy thorn are one of the solid tire/tube items may be the
only way to go. There is also a company that makes solid tubes too, WalMart
sometimes has them in MTB sizes too. But these tend to make the wheels
heavier and that irks a lot of people, plus you lose some of the phuematic
air cushion effect riding over bumps and such. But it is a tradeoff that is
worth it in some cases.
Here is one compnay http://www.airfreetires.com/
Here is a airless tube compnay http://www.nomorflats.com/

Really good point Nate, I'll have to check the overlap on the liners
something I never considered. A friend of mine crossed paths with a fellow
touring around america - http://www.northamericacyclingexpedition.com/ He's
running two tuffys in the rear tire he told him in that rear knobby tire
with no flats, the the front one has no liner, and he's had six flats. I bet
that rear wheel weighs a ton! Thank you for the tips everyone, I'm learning
alot


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wrote:
I mainly cycle tour city streets, and light trails on a fully loaded
self
supported touring rig. I'm running conti TT's with tuffy liners, glass,
metal chips, nails in the roads are common. Can tuffys become displaced
and
slice my tire? Decending down some hills at a high speed, and getting a
flat could be a serious problem.

Tuffies very, very rarely cause flats. One theory, which I abide by
when installing them, is that they only or primarily cause flats when
their overlapping secion is oriented incorrectly relative to the
wheel's rotation. The idea is that they should be oriented so that when
you're looking at the bike from the left side, and the overlap is at
the 9 o'clock position, that the downwards-pointing end of the tire
liner will be on the outside, and that this will be gentler on the
tube. It makes sense and I've seen some tire liner flats caused by
having it oriented opposite, and none when it's oriented as described.
The other thing is that rim strips shouldn't be cut, because that can
also cause flats if the cut end contacts the tube.

Basically, if you ride Tuffies, you still need to carry a spare tube.
But you would need to even if there wasn't a question of them causing
flats.