2009 ERGO dis-assembly/re-assembly

Took a Centaur lever apart yesterday(watched and did). VERY simple,
more so than the older design. Only 'Gotchas' are remembering to
rotate the central shaft counterclockwise before putting it back
together and getting a spring around a tab on the thumb button. In
addition, the little plate that does the actual shifting has two teeny-
tiny ball bearings and springs. They stay put but if they fall out
you'll never find them.

Not much to break or go wrong on this design plus converting from 10s
to 11s will be a snap as soon as the two 11s specific parts become
available.

In article
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Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

Took a Centaur lever apart yesterday(watched and did). VERY simple,
more so than the older design. Only 'Gotchas' are remembering to
rotate the central shaft counterclockwise before putting it back
together and getting a spring around a tab on the thumb button. In
addition, the little plate that does the actual shifting has two teeny-
tiny ball bearings and springs. They stay put but if they fall out
you'll never find them.

Not much to break or go wrong on this design plus converting from 10s
to 11s will be a snap as soon as the two 11s specific parts become
available.

Thanks for the analysis. Photos? Especially side-by-sides of the old and
new designs?

Also, does this mean 9-to-11 upgrades are also possible, or are you
comparing to the 10-speed "quickshift" design?

--
Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
In article
,
Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

Took a Centaur lever apart yesterday(watched and did). VERY simple,
more so than the older design. Only 'Gotchas' are remembering to
rotate the central shaft counterclockwise before putting it back
together and getting a spring around a tab on the thumb button. In
addition, the little plate that does the actual shifting has two teeny-
tiny ball bearings and springs. They stay put but if they fall out
you'll never find them.

Not much to break or go wrong on this design plus converting from 10s
to 11s will be a snap as soon as the two 11s specific parts become
available.

Thanks for the analysis. Photos? Especially side-by-sides of the old and
new designs?

Also, does this mean 9-to-11 upgrades are also possible, or are you
comparing to the 10-speed "quickshift" design?


What about 9 to 10 speed, or am I about 6 years behind the times?

On Feb 8, 3:52*pm, Carl Sundquist wrote:
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
In article
,
*Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

Took a Centaur lever apart yesterday(watched and did). VERY simple,
more so than the older design. Only 'Gotchas' are remembering to
rotate the central shaft counterclockwise before putting it back
together and getting a spring around a tab on the thumb button. In
addition, the little plate that does the actual shifting has two teeny-
tiny ball bearings and springs. They stay put but if they fall out
you'll never find them.

Not much to break or go wrong on this design plus converting from 10s
to 11s will be a snap as soon as the two 11s specific parts become
available.

Thanks for the analysis. Photos? Especially side-by-sides of the old and
new designs?

Also, does this mean 9-to-11 upgrades are also possible, or are you
comparing to the 10-speed "quickshift" design?

What about 9 to 10 speed, or am I about 6 years behind the times?

Did you balk at the $65 (at discount) chain tool, Mr. Sundquist?
--D-y

On Feb 8, 2:26*pm, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
In article
,
*Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

Took a Centaur lever apart yesterday(watched and did). VERY simple,
more so than the older design. Only 'Gotchas' are remembering to
rotate the central shaft counterclockwise before putting it back
together and getting a spring around a tab on the thumb button. In
addition, the little plate that does the actual shifting has two teeny-
tiny ball bearings and springs. They stay put but if they fall out
you'll never find them.

Not much to break or go wrong on this design plus converting from 10s
to 11s will be a snap as soon as the two 11s specific parts become
available.

Thanks for the analysis. Photos? Especially side-by-sides of the old and
new designs?

Also, does this mean 9-to-11 upgrades are also possible, or are you
comparing to the 10-speed "quickshift" design?

2009 innards are completely different from either 2007/8 Centaur and
below Escape(Xenon based) and Record/Chorus(QS means nothing in these
levers). 10 to 11 and back, 2009 levers only. Velonews had a writeup
with photos. I don't have the capability.

--
Ryan Cousineau /
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

On Feb 8, 2:52*pm, Carl Sundquist wrote:
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
In article
,
*Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

Took a Centaur lever apart yesterday(watched and did). VERY simple,
more so than the older design. Only 'Gotchas' are remembering to
rotate the central shaft counterclockwise before putting it back
together and getting a spring around a tab on the thumb button. In
addition, the little plate that does the actual shifting has two teeny-
tiny ball bearings and springs. They stay put but if they fall out
you'll never find them.

Not much to break or go wrong on this design plus converting from 10s
to 11s will be a snap as soon as the two 11s specific parts become
available.

Thanks for the analysis. Photos? Especially side-by-sides of the old and
new designs?

Also, does this mean 9-to-11 upgrades are also possible, or are you
comparing to the 10-speed "quickshift" design?

What about 9 to 10 speed, or am I about 6 years behind the times?

You are but, 1999 and later 9s can be converted to 10s and also 8s. Up
until 2009.

On Feb 8, 6:02*pm, " wrote:
On Feb 8, 3:52*pm, Carl Sundquist wrote:



Ryan Cousineau wrote:
In article
,
*Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

Took a Centaur lever apart yesterday(watched and did). VERY simple,
more so than the older design. Only 'Gotchas' are remembering to
rotate the central shaft counterclockwise before putting it back
together and getting a spring around a tab on the thumb button. In
addition, the little plate that does the actual shifting has two teeny-
tiny ball bearings and springs. They stay put but if they fall out
you'll never find them.

Not much to break or go wrong on this design plus converting from 10s
to 11s will be a snap as soon as the two 11s specific parts become
available.

Thanks for the analysis. Photos? Especially side-by-sides of the old and
new designs?

Also, does this mean 9-to-11 upgrades are also possible, or are you
comparing to the 10-speed "quickshift" design?

What about 9 to 10 speed, or am I about 6 years behind the times?

Did you balk at the $65 (at discount) chain tool, Mr. Sundquist?
--D-y

You can get the 10s Campag pin into the chain w/o the Campagnolo chain
tool. You can even mushroom the 11s w/o the $165 tool BUT right tool
for the job is the shop level, Campagnolo tool. BEST thing to do is
use a Wipperman snap link for all chains, appropriate 8/9/10 link for
8/9/10s chains. Hopefully a 11s link is on the way.

On Feb 9, 10:22*am, Qui si parla Campagnolo
wrote:

You can get the 10s Campag pin into the chain w/o the Campagnolo chain
tool. You can even mushroom the 11s w/o the $165 tool BUT right tool
for the job is the shop level, Campagnolo tool. BEST thing to do is
use a Wipperman snap link for all chains, appropriate 8/9/10 link for
8/9/10s chains. Hopefully a 11s link is on the way.

Thank you, Peter. After breaking a chain recently on a steep little
uphil,l which could have resulted in a nasty fall, the chain was
replaced complete with SL, since even though I've never had this
happen before, it could have been a link which I had put the pin in
(9sp) with a "chain tool". Old dog, new trick. Good deal! --D-y

On Feb 9, 8:19*am, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
On Feb 8, 2:26*pm, Ryan Cousineau wrote:





In article
,
*Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

Took a Centaur lever apart yesterday(watched and did). VERY simple,
more so than the older design. Only 'Gotchas' are remembering to
rotate the central shaft counterclockwise before putting it back
together and getting a spring around a tab on the thumb button. In
addition, the little plate that does the actual shifting has two teeny-
tiny ball bearings and springs. They stay put but if they fall out
you'll never find them.

Not much to break or go wrong on this design plus converting from 10s
to 11s will be a snap as soon as the two 11s specific parts become
available.

Thanks for the analysis. Photos? Especially side-by-sides of the old and
new designs?

Also, does this mean 9-to-11 upgrades are also possible, or are you
comparing to the 10-speed "quickshift" design?

2009 innards are completely different from either 2007/8 Centaur and
below Escape(Xenon based) and Record/Chorus(QS means nothing in these
levers). 10 to 11 and back, 2009 levers only. Velonews had a writeup
with photos. I don't have the capability.


I's gonna say...2009 right/rear levers are a weird hodgepodge between
classic Ergo mechanism and Escape, aren't they?

On Feb 9, 4:05*pm, Hank wrote:
On Feb 9, 8:19*am, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:



On Feb 8, 2:26*pm, Ryan Cousineau wrote:

In article
,
*Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

Took a Centaur lever apart yesterday(watched and did). VERY simple,
more so than the older design. Only 'Gotchas' are remembering to
rotate the central shaft counterclockwise before putting it back
together and getting a spring around a tab on the thumb button. In
addition, the little plate that does the actual shifting has two teeny-
tiny ball bearings and springs. They stay put but if they fall out
you'll never find them.

Not much to break or go wrong on this design plus converting from 10s
to 11s will be a snap as soon as the two 11s specific parts become
available.

Thanks for the analysis. Photos? Especially side-by-sides of the old and
new designs?

Also, does this mean 9-to-11 upgrades are also possible, or are you
comparing to the 10-speed "quickshift" design?

2009 innards are completely different from either 2007/8 Centaur and
below Escape(Xenon based) and Record/Chorus(QS means nothing in these
levers). 10 to 11 and back, 2009 levers only. Velonews had a writeup
with photos. I don't have the capability.

I's gonna say...2009 right/rear levers are a weird hodgepodge between
classic Ergo mechanism and Escape, aren't they?

No. Ergo used a shift disc and 2 shift springs around them for the
'notches'. Escape used a little lever hitting a notched disc not
unlike a shift disc. When you shifted to a lower cog, you wound up a
spring and the thumb button released the spring, why only one higher
gear in the rear or small ring.

2009 is a notched plate with another plate facing it with 2 teeny
ballbearings and the end of 2 really small springs. The springs push
outward on the ball bearings and those ride in the notches of the
plate. No springs winding up or down as you shift up and down, you are
just moving the ball bearings to different detents of the other disc.

More and pix here.

http://forum.velonews.com/read.php?f...23047&t=323047

A look at the Campag PDF parts file will show the innards.