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UCI plans major shake-up of Olympic track programme
http://tinyurl.com/ThisIsJustDumb "Individual pursuit, points race, madison may vanish from Olympics The UCI is planning a major shake-up of the Olympic track cycling programme and will propose radical changes to the International Olympic Committee (IOC). The changes are designed to bring parity to the men's and women's programmes, with five events for each at the 2012 Games in London." Points race was only ever a novelty and the madison has no real place in mainstream track racing IMHO, but the individual pursuit has always been a premier event and has been the start point for some great road riders over teh years and not just Brits! Parity between the sexes is one thing but to keep the team sprint (just a sop for those riders not good enough to compete for a medal in the individual) and keirin (I love it but it's only there because the Japanese paid the UCI loads of money to include it) and get rid of the pursuit is a very strange thing to do. Why would you do that? UD |
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Uncle Dave wrote:
UCI plans major shake-up of Olympic track programme http://tinyurl.com/ThisIsJustDumb "Individual pursuit, points race, madison may vanish from Olympics The UCI is planning a major shake-up of the Olympic track cycling programme and will propose radical changes to the International Olympic Committee (IOC). The changes are designed to bring parity to the men's and women's programmes, with five events for each at the 2012 Games in London." Points race was only ever a novelty and the madison has no real place in mainstream track racing IMHO, but the individual pursuit has always been a premier event and has been the start point for some great road riders over teh years and not just Brits! Parity between the sexes is one thing but to keep the team sprint (just a sop for those riders not good enough to compete for a medal in the individual) and keirin (I love it but it's only there because the Japanese paid the UCI loads of money to include it) and get rid of the pursuit is a very strange thing to do. Why would you do that? UD Television $$ |
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On Sep 26, 9:46*am, Uncle Dave wrote:
UCI plans major shake-up of Olympic track programme http://tinyurl.com/ThisIsJustDumb "Individual pursuit, points race, madison may vanish from Olympics The UCI is planning a major shake-up of the Olympic track cycling programme and will propose radical changes to the International Olympic Committee (IOC). The changes are designed to bring parity to the men's and women's programmes, with five events for each at the 2012 Games in London." Points race was only ever a novelty and the madison has no real place in mainstream track racing IMHO, but the individual pursuit has always been a premier event and has been the start point for some great road riders over teh years and not just Brits! *Parity between the sexes is one thing but to keep the team sprint (just a sop for those riders not good enough to compete for a medal in the individual) and keirin (I love it but it's only there because the Japanese paid the UCI loads of money to include it) and get rid of the pursuit is a very strange thing to do. Why would you do that? UD Dumbass - I've watched those events in person at the Olympics and my take is: points race = exciting for a real cycling fan madison = exciting for a real cycling fan pursuit = yawn Pursuit's boring. There's no tactics. thanks, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. |
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"KG" wrote in message
... On Sep 26, 9:46 am, Uncle Dave wrote: UCI plans major shake-up of Olympic track programme http://tinyurl.com/ThisIsJustDumb "Individual pursuit, points race, madison may vanish from Olympics The UCI is planning a major shake-up of the Olympic track cycling programme and will propose radical changes to the International Olympic Committee (IOC). The changes are designed to bring parity to the men's and women's programmes, with five events for each at the 2012 Games in London." Points race was only ever a novelty and the madison has no real place in mainstream track racing IMHO, but the individual pursuit has always been a premier event and has been the start point for some great road riders over teh years and not just Brits! Parity between the sexes is one thing but to keep the team sprint (just a sop for those riders not good enough to compete for a medal in the individual) and keirin (I love it but it's only there because the Japanese paid the UCI loads of money to include it) and get rid of the pursuit is a very strange thing to do. Why would you do that? UD =============== Dumbass - I've watched those events in person at the Olympics and my take is: points race = exciting for a real cycling fan madison = exciting for a real cycling fan pursuit = yawn Pursuit's boring. There's no tactics. thanks, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. ================ But to anybody who's ever ridden a pursuit, they're riveting. You know what it's like to be out there, dying, but hoping the other guy dies first. Lots of psyche games too (it's incorrect to state that there are no tactics; a huge early lead can be demoralizing, or having someone claw their way back, gaining on you each lap, that can be demoralizing as well... there's a lot more to it than meets the eye). So there are at least 10,000 people out of 7 billion who believe the pursuit should be in the Olympics and are guaranteed to watch it. --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USAKurgan. presented by Gringioni. |
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On Sep 26, 2:45*pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote: "KG" wrote in message ... On Sep 26, 9:46 am, Uncle Dave wrote: UCI plans major shake-up of Olympic track programme http://tinyurl.com/ThisIsJustDumb "Individual pursuit, points race, madison may vanish from Olympics The UCI is planning a major shake-up of the Olympic track cycling programme and will propose radical changes to the International Olympic Committee (IOC). The changes are designed to bring parity to the men's and women's programmes, with five events for each at the 2012 Games in London." Points race was only ever a novelty and the madison has no real place in mainstream track racing IMHO, but the individual pursuit has always been a premier event and has been the start point for some great road riders over teh years and not just Brits! Parity between the sexes is one thing but to keep the team sprint (just a sop for those riders not good enough to compete for a medal in the individual) and keirin (I love it but it's only there because the Japanese paid the UCI loads of money to include it) and get rid of the pursuit is a very strange thing to do. Why would you do that? UD =============== Dumbass - I've watched those events in person at the Olympics and my take is: points race = exciting for a real cycling fan madison = exciting for a real cycling fan pursuit = yawn Pursuit's boring. There's no tactics. thanks, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. ================ But to anybody who's ever ridden a pursuit, they're riveting. You know what it's like to be out there, dying, but hoping the other guy dies first. Lots of psyche games too (it's incorrect to state that there are no tactics; a huge early lead can be demoralizing, or having someone claw their way back, gaining on you each lap, that can be demoralizing as well... there's a lot more to it than meets the eye). So there are at least 10,000 people out of 7 billion who believe the pursuit should be in the Olympics and are guaranteed to watch it. --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USAKurgan. presented by Gringioni. At least 10,000??? Only if Lance decides to ride the pursuit, but otherwise, no. |
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KG wrote:
On Sep 26, 9:46 am, Uncle Dave wrote: UCI plans major shake-up of Olympic track programme http://tinyurl.com/ThisIsJustDumb "Individual pursuit, points race, madison may vanish from Olympics The UCI is planning a major shake-up of the Olympic track cycling programme and will propose radical changes to the International Olympic Committee (IOC). The changes are designed to bring parity to the men's and women's programmes, with five events for each at the 2012 Games in London." Points race was only ever a novelty and the madison has no real place in mainstream track racing IMHO, but the individual pursuit has always been a premier event and has been the start point for some great road riders over teh years and not just Brits! Parity between the sexes is one thing but to keep the team sprint (just a sop for those riders not good enough to compete for a medal in the individual) and keirin (I love it but it's only there because the Japanese paid the UCI loads of money to include it) and get rid of the pursuit is a very strange thing to do. Why would you do that? UD Dumbass - I've watched those events in person at the Olympics and my take is: points race = exciting for a real cycling fan madison = exciting for a real cycling fan pursuit = yawn Pursuit's boring. There's no tactics. thanks, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. Agreed, but to elaborate, points race scoring means that your favorite or the race favorite riders are not trying to score on each sprint. Add in riders taking or losing a lap and it's very confusing for the viewers who aren't accustomed to reading the race. Same thing for madison, but add in that every other guy is slowly riding around the top of the track. Pursuit is no less tactical than swimming but at least swimmers are going head to head, giving a greater sense of battle. OTOH, the road TT is even more boring than the pursuit, as it is 10x as long and has even fewer data points. A miss and out could be entertaining if you can train the audience to watch the action at both ends of the field. I don't think an omnium is the answer though, especially since they are still including a round of pursuits and a points race for it. But once again, it must have been driven by TV money. |
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On Sep 26, 9:31*pm, KG wrote:
On Sep 26, 9:46*am, Uncle Dave wrote: UCI plans major shake-up of Olympic track programme http://tinyurl.com/ThisIsJustDumb "Individual pursuit, points race, madison may vanish from Olympics The UCI is planning a major shake-up of the Olympic track cycling programme and will propose radical changes to the International Olympic Committee (IOC). The changes are designed to bring parity to the men's and women's programmes, with five events for each at the 2012 Games in London." Points race was only ever a novelty and the madison has no real place in mainstream track racing IMHO, but the individual pursuit has always been a premier event and has been the start point for some great road riders over teh years and not just Brits! *Parity between the sexes is one thing but to keep the team sprint (just a sop for those riders not good enough to compete for a medal in the individual) and keirin (I love it but it's only there because the Japanese paid the UCI loads of money to include it) and get rid of the pursuit is a very strange thing to do. Why would you do that? UD Dumbass - I've watched those events in person at the Olympics and my take is: points race = exciting for a real cycling fan madison = exciting for a real cycling fan pursuit = yawn Pursuit's boring. There's no tactics. I would say it's one of the most tactical races there is, how many times are pusuits won by riders doing the right thing at the right time and lost by doing the wrong thing? Often. Neither the madison and points races are races which can be understood by most non-cycling people and the concept of the first rider across the line not necessarily being the winner at the end is completely foreign to most people's idea of sporting endeavour. The man to man combat of the pursuit is something people can easily understand... UD |
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On Sep 26, 9:50*pm, z wrote:
snip But once again, it must have been driven by TV money. The Madison is one of the worst possible races for TV. I used to be a six day fan going to 1 or 2, sometimes more, events each season. Yes, I knew it was mostly fixed and I got pretty good at spotting it too, but the madisons were (for the most part) clean and for the majority of spectators entirely inscrutable. They cheer when the commentator tells them to because they have no idea of what's gong on. Some crowds are more knowledgeable than others and the last night of any six is mostly real fans as it's mid-week but the rest of the time - Joe Soap? The Madison?! Forget it. Watching one live you have to concentrate 100% to keep abreast of what's going on - you have to watch the front, the back, the riders coming through the field, where the leaders are in relation to each other and so on. You simply can't follow it on TV and, too often, nor can the commentators. If you pull out so you can see the whole track it's OK but you can't see the detail you can live and so crucial moves are rarely spotted by the cameras as they pick up and folloe specific riders or groups. So the TV argument is definitely not in favour of the madison, or - for similar reasons - the points race. They are pretty bad TV. UD |
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On Sep 26, 1:45*pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote: "KG" wrote in message ... On Sep 26, 9:46 am, Uncle Dave wrote: UCI plans major shake-up of Olympic track programme http://tinyurl.com/ThisIsJustDumb "Individual pursuit, points race, madison may vanish from Olympics The UCI is planning a major shake-up of the Olympic track cycling programme and will propose radical changes to the International Olympic Committee (IOC). The changes are designed to bring parity to the men's and women's programmes, with five events for each at the 2012 Games in London." Points race was only ever a novelty and the madison has no real place in mainstream track racing IMHO, but the individual pursuit has always been a premier event and has been the start point for some great road riders over teh years and not just Brits! Parity between the sexes is one thing but to keep the team sprint (just a sop for those riders not good enough to compete for a medal in the individual) and keirin (I love it but it's only there because the Japanese paid the UCI loads of money to include it) and get rid of the pursuit is a very strange thing to do. Why would you do that? UD =============== Dumbass - I've watched those events in person at the Olympics and my take is: points race = exciting for a real cycling fan madison = exciting for a real cycling fan pursuit = yawn Pursuit's boring. There's no tactics. thanks, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. ================ But to anybody who's ever ridden a pursuit, they're riveting. Dumbass - I've ridden pursuit. Granted, I sucked at it, but that's beside the point. The worst thing was the pursuit qualifying. The qualifying was stupefyingly boring for the casual cycling fans. The person I took to the event fell asleep. The medal rounds were decent, but the Olympics need to be better than decent. The demographics and the attention span of the audience is changing very quickly. thanks, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. |
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On Sep 26, 10:46 am, Uncle Dave wrote:
Why would you do that? Present much more dramatic racing and attract more fans to a nearly dead sport. |
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