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Am 21.01.2021 um 06:57 schrieb News 2021:
But Russel is right, those city 'market farmers' are really just
'shopkeepers' who buy their 'produce' from the big produce markets.

Even this is different in other parts of the world. In Heidelberg, I
know of three "fruit and vegetable farmers" who each both farm and have
a permanent farm shop selling their produce (plus the produce of another
10 or 20 regional vegetable farmers). The big produce market prices are
so bad these days (thanks to the bundled purcahsing power of the big
supermarket chains) that direct marketing of your own produce (or
running a farmers' co-operative for selling) is a meaningful business in
Germany.

On 1/21/2021 1:16 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 21.01.2021 um 06:57 schrieb News 2021:
But Russel is right, those city 'market farmers' are really just
'shopkeepers' who buy their 'produce' from the big produce markets.

Even this is different in other parts of the world.Â* In Heidelberg, I
know of three "fruit and vegetable farmers" who each both farm and have
a permanent farm shop selling their produce (plus the produce of another
10 or 20 regional vegetable farmers).Â* The big produce market prices are
so bad these days (thanks to the bundled purcahsing power of the big
supermarket chains) that direct marketing of your own produce (or
running a farmers' co-operative for selling) is a meaningful business in
Germany.

In my area, many of the weekly farmers markets have the an employee of
the actual farmer coming up from the "salad bowl" to sell direct to the
consumer.

There is generally no cost savings to the buyer versus shopping at a
local retail produce market or Costco (but a big savings versus going to
retail supermarket like Safeway, Sprouts, or Whole Foods). It's more of
a social event, an outing, where people believe that they are helping
the small farmer, and in some cases that's true.

If a farmer is selling a product wholesale for $1/pound to a supermarket
which is selling it for $3/pound, and he can sell the same product
direct to the consumer at $3/pound, he can make more money, even after
paying the cost of the farmer's market stall, and the workers at the
farmers market.

It's the same with people that go out to the harbor to buy seafood (like
Dungeness crab right now in my area). The fishermen are charging retail
prices to individual buyers, which are about 2.5x the wholesale price
that the wholesalers and supermarkets will pay.

On 1/21/2021 4:16 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 21.01.2021 um 06:57 schrieb News 2021:
But Russel is right, those city 'market farmers' are really just
'shopkeepers' who buy their 'produce' from the big produce markets.

Even this is different in other parts of the world.Â* In Heidelberg, I
know of three "fruit and vegetable farmers" who each both farm and have
a permanent farm shop selling their produce (plus the produce of another
10 or 20 regional vegetable farmers).Â* The big produce market prices are
so bad these days (thanks to the bundled purcahsing power of the big
supermarket chains) that direct marketing of your own produce (or
running a farmers' co-operative for selling) is a meaningful business in
Germany.

I think all this varies from place to place in the U.S., and varies
(like everything) based on fashion. About ten years ago in my local
area, farmers' markets became trendy. One popped up for a few years at
our village hall. Another started in our bigger city's "crunchy granola"
neighborhood. One popped up in the next city over. But the one in our
village failed, and interest now seems lower in the others.

I know of two adjacent farmers' markets about 60 miles from here. One is
operated by a non-profit that promotes small farms and buying local,
etc. The people staffing the booths are the farmers' families. (My
friends and I sometimes volunteer to provide music there.)

The competing private business buys many of their goods wholesale from
wherever they can, advertises heavily and gets much more business. But
from the farmers' perspective, it's no different than an ordinary
grocery store.


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- Frank Krygowski

On 1/21/2021 12:53 AM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 21:06:20 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:
In case you are unaware of it, the standard farm is only 40 acres.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...us-since-2000/

:-) It's like shooting fish in a barrel, isn't it?


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 12:11:14 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 1/21/2021 12:53 AM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 21:06:20 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:
In case you are unaware of it, the standard farm is only 40 acres.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...us-since-2000/

:-) It's like shooting fish in a barrel, isn't it?

Yup, but is sort of pitiful in today's world where information is
literally at one's finger tip.

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Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 12:11:14 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 1/21/2021 12:53 AM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 21:06:20 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:
In case you are unaware of it, the standard farm is only 40 acres.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...us-since-2000/

:-) It's like shooting fish in a barrel, isn't it?

I vaguely recall that Mythbuseters or someone on YouTube tried the
fish in a barrel or swimming pool using a .22 revolver. The water
slowed the bullet down to almost a stop after a few inches. Some
bullets bounced off the fish. When they switched to a higher power
rifle, they couldn't hit the fish because of parallax at the water/air
boundary. Also the spinning bullet didn't go through the water in a
straight line.

Also, the criteria that Statista cites for a farm follows the IRS
definition of being able to use cash accounting on taxes instead of
accrual accounting. Lots of other benefits to being a farmer:
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/ten-helpful-tips-for-farm-tax-returns
My guess(tm) is that they used the UDA numbers:
Farms and Land in Farms 2019 Summary, February 2020
https://www.nass.usda.gov/Publications/Todays_Reports/reports/fnlo0220.pdf
To many wealthy individuals, the benefits of being able to deduct
income when it is received, rather than when the income is billed, is
substantial. The result are large numbers of small "farms" where the
major product grown are tax deductions. If I remove such tax farms
from the list of farms, the average size of farms that actually
produce something that can be eaten, is rather large. It certainly
will be larger than 40 acres.

It would be interesting to know the median size of US farms:
Farm Size and the Organization of U.S. Crop Farming (2013)
https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/45108/39359_err152.pdf
The midpoint acreage for U.S. cropland nearly doubled
between 1982 and 2007, from 589 acres to 1,105.
Looks like the conglomerates and corporate farms are growing.

How to Use a Small Farm for Tax Write Offs
https://smallbusiness.chron.com/use-small-farm-tax-write-offs-15880.html

For entertainment, you might enjoy comparing where the fishing fleets
are actually fishing, versus the boundary lines around protected
areas.
https://globalfishingwatch.org
https://globalfishingwatch.org/map/
Zoom in on the Galapagos Islands for a good example of violations of a
protected zone. That's small pickings compared to what's now
happening off the coast of Peru in the last 30 days. By clicking on
the "1 month", you can extend the time to "3 months" to see the real
mess or drag the white dots for up to 1 year. Yep, fish farming is
big business until we kill off all the fish.



--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 05:42:46 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 12:11:14 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 1/21/2021 12:53 AM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 21:06:20 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:
In case you are unaware of it, the standard farm is only 40 acres.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...us-since-2000/

:-) It's like shooting fish in a barrel, isn't it?

Yup, but is sort of pitiful in today's world where information is
literally at one's finger tip.

Not quite. Data is at everyone's finger tip. However, to get
information, you either have to processes that data yourself, hire
someone to process it for you, or get it for free from talking heads
or organizations that manipulate the data for their own benefit.

--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 16:24:24 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 05:42:46 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 12:11:14 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 1/21/2021 12:53 AM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 21:06:20 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:
In case you are unaware of it, the standard farm is only 40 acres.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...us-since-2000/

:-) It's like shooting fish in a barrel, isn't it?

Yup, but is sort of pitiful in today's world where information is
literally at one's finger tip.

Not quite. Data is at everyone's finger tip. However, to get
information, you either have to processes that data yourself, hire
someone to process it for you, or get it for free from talking heads
or organizations that manipulate the data for their own benefit.

True, one definition of information certainly is "a collection of
facts from which conclusions may be drawn" but one has to assume that
the average person is capable of, at least, limited thought and should
be capable of converting said collection of facts into a reasonably
facsimile of information.

Of course, if one dives straight into the informational stream one
might find that it is very shallow in some places. Or to translate,
"some information is not factual" but then it appears that non-factual
information suits some people's illusions (or delusions) far better
then actual facts :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 16:19:02 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 12:11:14 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 1/21/2021 12:53 AM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 21:06:20 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:
In case you are unaware of it, the standard farm is only 40 acres.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...us-since-2000/

:-) It's like shooting fish in a barrel, isn't it?

I vaguely recall that Mythbuseters or someone on YouTube tried the
fish in a barrel or swimming pool using a .22 revolver. The water
slowed the bullet down to almost a stop after a few inches. Some
bullets bounced off the fish. When they switched to a higher power
rifle, they couldn't hit the fish because of parallax at the water/air
boundary. Also the spinning bullet didn't go through the water in a
straight line.

Also, the criteria that Statista cites for a farm follows the IRS
definition of being able to use cash accounting on taxes instead of
accrual accounting. Lots of other benefits to being a farmer:
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/ten-helpful-tips-for-farm-tax-returns
My guess(tm) is that they used the UDA numbers:
Farms and Land in Farms 2019 Summary, February 2020
https://www.nass.usda.gov/Publications/Todays_Reports/reports/fnlo0220.pdf
To many wealthy individuals, the benefits of being able to deduct
income when it is received, rather than when the income is billed, is
substantial. The result are large numbers of small "farms" where the
major product grown are tax deductions. If I remove such tax farms
from the list of farms, the average size of farms that actually
produce something that can be eaten, is rather large. It certainly
will be larger than 40 acres.

It would be interesting to know the median size of US farms:
Farm Size and the Organization of U.S. Crop Farming (2013)
https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/45108/39359_err152.pdf
The midpoint acreage for U.S. cropland nearly doubled
between 1982 and 2007, from 589 acres to 1,105.
Looks like the conglomerates and corporate farms are growing.

How to Use a Small Farm for Tax Write Offs
https://smallbusiness.chron.com/use-small-farm-tax-write-offs-15880.html

For entertainment, you might enjoy comparing where the fishing fleets
are actually fishing, versus the boundary lines around protected
areas.
https://globalfishingwatch.org
https://globalfishingwatch.org/map/
Zoom in on the Galapagos Islands for a good example of violations of a
protected zone. That's small pickings compared to what's now
happening off the coast of Peru in the last 30 days. By clicking on
the "1 month", you can extend the time to "3 months" to see the real
mess or drag the white dots for up to 1 year. Yep, fish farming is
big business until we kill off all the fish.

But, you could "shoot fish in a barrel" with a shotgun, or maybe a
cannon :-)

By the way, I just came across an actual test of bullets and water and
a bullet from a MG-42, i.e., 7.92 x 57mm, muzzle velocity 740 m/sec or
2,428 ft/sec, bullet weight perhaps 12.7 gm or 196 gr, fired into
water comes to a complete stop in 2.5 ft.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 9:57:27 PM UTC-8, News 2021 wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 21:03:18 -0800, Tom Kunich scribed:
On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 3:20:00 PM UTC-8,
wrote:
On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 1:48:10 PM UTC-6,
wrote:
It certainly appears to be painful to you that people know anything
you don't. You probably go down to the market and tell the farmers
what the price of their goods are.
Oh my. I'm guessing you are talking about these things called "farmer's
markets" that are common in big cities. No farmer who owns and works on
a farm uses these terms like you just did. A farmer is someone who
grows corn or soybeans on hundreds/thousands of acres. He tills,
plants, combines the crops. And when a farmer talks about markets, he
is specifically referring to the Chicago Board of Trade price for corn
and soybeans. And he will call his local grain elevator to get the spot
price for the grain locally. And this idea of going to the "farmer's
market" to buy vegetables and other nonsense, would be very alien to an
old time farmer. He had a vegetable garden near the house. He grew his
own vegetables in his garden. He did not go to the downtown of a big
city and buy vegetables from a "farmer" standing on a concrete city
block who trucked the vegetables in.
Russell, my cousins are farmers, why don't you tell them that they
don't use the terms I do? Why don't you tell lettuce farmers, tomato
farmers and beet farmers that they aren't farmers but gardeners?
That ia correct, they classify themselves as 'market gardeners' to
differentiate from the cropper/grain farmers and the graziers. Then their
are orchardists who grow fruit.

But Russel is right, those city 'market farmers' are really just
'shopkeepers' who buy their 'produce' from the big produce markets.
Big surprise, I have three farmers in the family and several friends and none of them buy produce from some other source but if there is one thing that moron 2021 knows all about it is farming in California. That's because he is so brilliant that he could tell you the stock to buy tomorrow to become a millionaire the next day. That really takes the sort of talent that moron 2021 has.