First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

Andre wrote:
Then why not rob banks? You get rich on that. If you don't rob banks
you may remain poor.

Ron Ruff wrote:
I didn't realize that bank robbing was a pro sport... but I'm out of
touch on many modern forms of entertainment.

Maybe in LA ? Presumably they get tested for coke and crack.

wrote:

The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any rider
that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many other
companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
problems finding a new sponsor.

A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
cleansing the sport of the cheats.

Retard,
You're late this year:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...f688cdbb3017ce

Kindly make your auto post in July so we increase our hit count.

On Aug 4, 7:59 pm, "
wrote:
On Aug 4, 11:15 am, " wrote:



What it will do is to instantly end a riders career if decides to
dope. It will also put a end to repeat offenders. When one considers
how much cheats have damaged the sport it is simply ridiculous to put
up with them. In the end it may not be 100% effective, but it deter
most of them hopefully.

No, what it will do is end a rider's career if he
decides to dope _and gets caught_. [And the doping
conviction stands up in CAS
CAS...??
and the national fed
doesn't find an excuse to let him off.] We know that
many people have doped and not gotten caught. As
lonng as there is a substantial chance of getting
away with it, people will feel pressure to dope.

Doping technology is constantly evolving so there is no guarantee that
all cheats will be caught. We can however eliminate the repeat
offenders and those that are experimenting.

"Hopefully" is not a sound basis for an anti-doping
policy. You're basically talking about enforcing it
like a crime, so you need to think about this based
on knowledge of criminology, not on your wishes.

Ben

wrote:
The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any rider
that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many other
companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
problems finding a new sponsor.

Andre wrote:
Coca cola is very bad for your stomach anyway...good riddance.

Perhaps they can be replaced by other coke suppliers.

Donald Munro wrote:
wrote:
The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any rider
that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many other
companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
problems finding a new sponsor.

Andre wrote:
Coca cola is very bad for your stomach anyway...good riddance.

Perhaps they can be replaced by other coke suppliers.



Maybe one of the Columbian Cartels could step up ?



Bill

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 01:27:23 -0700, "
wrote:

On Aug 4, 7:59 pm, "
wrote:
On Aug 4, 11:15 am, " wrote:



What it will do is to instantly end a riders career if decides to
dope. It will also put a end to repeat offenders. When one considers
how much cheats have damaged the sport it is simply ridiculous to put
up with them. In the end it may not be 100% effective, but it deter
most of them hopefully.

No, what it will do is end a rider's career if he
decides to dope _and gets caught_. [And the doping
conviction stands up in CAS
CAS...??
and the national fed
doesn't find an excuse to let him off.] We know that
many people have doped and not gotten caught. As
lonng as there is a substantial chance of getting
away with it, people will feel pressure to dope.

Doping technology is constantly evolving so there is no guarantee that
all cheats will be caught. We can however eliminate the repeat
offenders and those that are experimenting.

What repeat offenders? Name two.

We already have what amounts to a life ban. Two years out of cycling and another
two off the pro tour is pretty much over. And what it does is force the rider to
take every penny he's got, lawyer up and fight it. Same as your life ban it
eliminates any chance of cooperation.

Ron

On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 23:44:07 GMT, Tom Kunich wrote:

wrote in message
ps.com...
The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any rider
that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many other
companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
problems finding a new sponsor.

A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
cleansing the sport of the cheats.

And we need a lifetime drivers license ban for anyone using a cell phone
while driving. We need a lifetime ban for anyone speeding. We need a
lifetime ban for anyone using any drug that impedes judgment when operating
any dangerous machinery.

In which case we'd save in the neighborhood of 10,000 lives every year.

How many lives would be saved if we ban racers?

What was that again Tom? I'm sorry I can't understand you. You'll have to
remove that penis from your mouth.

Wrote:
The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any rider
that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many other
companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
problems finding a new sponsor.

A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
cleansing the sport of the cheats.

NOt on a first offence but certainly on a second. You have to
understand the pressures that must be on new cyclists from coaches,
trainers and mostly from other cyclists who try to justify taking
themelves by claiming that everyone does it.

So give them the benefit of the doubt first time. If the make the same
"mistake" again then yes - out for life IMO.

But don't stop at the cyclists. It is difficult to accept that team
officials don't know what is going on. They should get no chances and
be out for life on first offence (a cyclist on their team gets caught a
team member is strongly implicated - carrying drugs etc).


--
mitosis

On Aug 4, 7:59 pm, "
wrote:
On Aug 4, 11:15 am, " wrote:



What it will do is to instantly end a riders career if decides to
dope. It will also put a end to repeat offenders. When one considers
how much cheats have damaged the sport it is simply ridiculous to put
up with them. In the end it may not be 100% effective, but it deter
most of them hopefully.

No, what it will do is end a rider's career if he
decides to dope _and gets caught_. [And the doping
conviction stands up in CAS and the national fed
doesn't find an excuse to let him off.] We know that
many people have doped and not gotten caught. As
lonng as there is a substantial chance of getting
away with it, people will feel pressure to dope.

"Hopefully" is not a sound basis for an anti-doping
policy. You're basically talking about enforcing it
like a crime, so you need to think about this based
on knowledge of criminology, not on your wishes.

What we've also seen is asthmatics being found "non-negative" for
using a prescribed medication used by 5% of the population.

On Aug 5, 11:48 pm, mitosis mitosis.2uv...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com wrote:
Wrote:

The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any rider
that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many other
companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
problems finding a new sponsor.

A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
cleansing the sport of the cheats.

NOt on a first offence but certainly on a second. You have to
understand the pressures that must be on new cyclists from coaches,
trainers and mostly from other cyclists who try to justify taking
themelves by claiming that everyone does it.

So give them the benefit of the doubt first time. If the make the same
"mistake" again then yes - out for life IMO.

But don't stop at the cyclists. It is difficult to accept that team
officials don't know what is going on. They should get no chances and
be out for life on first offence (a cyclist on their team gets caught a
team member is strongly implicated - carrying drugs etc).

--
mitosis

dear yourtosis,

do you eat energy bars? use caffeine? gatorade? pasta?
what is the effect?
why do you do these incroyable disgusting acts?
because you're an intolerant Nazi playing chess?
or because you extended your limits riding a bicycle and want to
extend that limt NOW!
because its cool, it feels good, itsa rush, it relieves pain, you fly
over the road at day's end instead of crushing your body systems with
the last 5 miles.
now why would you kill these other riders? it all one thing. not
seperate acts, one act.
life. you are what you eat. starch fat protein cliff bars plus water.