Somebody mail the Page Family a copy of the U.S. Constitution

On Dec 26, 9:43*am, "Paul G." wrote:
On Dec 26, 8:32*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:

"Paul G." wrote:
Here's the video:
http://cyclofile.com/

So you think it's a complete coincidence that the only people assaulted by
McAninch just so happen to be related to Page? *If McAninch were the true
aggressor how come the only people he fought with happened to be related to the
Excuse Maker himself?

The video clearly shows a lot of people listening to the interview,
which is interrupted by a drunken lout bellowing insults and
obscenities. What's not shown is Page's relatives telling the drunk to
shut up. That's within THEIR rights. Got that? *

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Dumbass -


That is correct, but then they put their hands on him.

Even so, if they had any real perspective, they wouldn't even tell him
to shut up. They should be happy that someone cares. As Dale Earnhardt
used to tell Jeff Gordon, "If they're booing you, it means you're
doing your job".


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

On Dec 26, 10:59*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Amit Ghosh wrote:
On Dec 26, 12:15*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Amit Ghosh wrote:
On Dec 25, 11:55*pm, MagillaGorilla

It doesn't matter if it's pre-race, during race, or post-race. *A public park
is a public park.

dumbass,

when we hold events in a public park we will have a permit and a duty
of care to the attendees. that permit may require us to hire a certain
number of security (as well as other staff such as medics) depending
on the expected turnout and whether alcohol is being served.

when the venue is a public road though, we are required to have police
and the police can control access to the road (even though it's
public) and they can cite drivers that interfere with the event.

Booing is not interfering with the event.

i wasn't talking about booing.

but just because it's a public place doesn't mean the organizer can't
deal with a person that's intoxicated or say making threats - in fact
they may have a responsibility to be prepared if there is that
potential.

The organizer has no authority to "deal" with any citizen in any way just because they
are hosting a bike race. *Organizers are free to call the police, just as any fan can
do.

dumbass,

true. this is something bike race organizers don't have to even think
about.

but organizers of concerts and festivals where there's bigger crowds
and rowdier people probably do.

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:



Even so, if they had any real perspective, they wouldn't even tell him
to shut up. They should be happy that someone cares. As Dale Earnhardt
used to tell Jeff Gordon, "If they're booing you, it means you're
doing your job".



It was only a matter of time before someone brought up NASCAR.



Suppose they put on a Cyclocross race and a NASCAR Event broke out ?


Thanks

Bill

"Paul G." wrote:

On Dec 26, 8:32*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
"Paul G." wrote:
Here's the video:
http://cyclofile.com/

So you think it's a complete coincidence that the only people assaulted by
McAninch just so happen to be related to Page? *If McAninch were the true
aggressor how come the only people he fought with happened to be related to the
Excuse Maker himself?

The video clearly shows a lot of people listening to the interview,
which is interrupted by a drunken lout bellowing insults and
obscenities. What's not shown is Page's relatives telling the drunk to
shut up. That's within THEIR rights. Got that? Probably not, you're
pretty dense. Here's an example that's closer to home: "Shut up.
Gorilla my ass, I'll bet you're just a little spider monkey." See
how that works? Perfectly legal. Ah, but if I pick you up and throw
you onto someone else's bikes, that's assault.

Besides, McAnus is a mangina. As you can see in the video, it's
McAnus and Jim Farasy against Book, two against one. Only another
pussy would take the side of pussies like McAnus and FarAssy.
-Paul

McAninch had the right to say whatever he wanted. Your statement that he
"interrupted" the interview is irrelevant.

If McAninch were the true aggressor, then how come the only people he ended up
fighting with were relatives of the guy being heckled? Who do you think picked
that fight?

Also, heckling a sporting figure at a sporting event is fair game. Going after fans
in their face is a bit strange, don't you think? That's how fights start.

You are trying to equate a spectator yelling at a guy who struck out at a baseball
game as being the same thing as 10 fans in the stadium getting in the face of that
heckling fan. Those fans who are there to start fights with other fans are the
problem, not the heckler. They're also weirdos.

Had Cori and her troublemaker brother minded their own business like the rest of the
spectators did, there would have been no fight.

Fans who get up in the face of other fans are weirdos. Ken Papai weirdos. Heckling
is perfectly acceptable and normal behavior at a sporting event.

I am going to beat you people down into submission in this threat just like I did in
the Van Impe thread. You should have learned your lesson back then. And that
lesson is: whatever opinion the monkey espouses is the correct opinion.

Magilla

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MagillaGorilla wrote:

" wrote:

On Dec 25, 4:52 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
" wrote:

As a legal mind such as yourself knows,
the First Amendment says the government can't
punch you for speaking your mind, but the First doesn't
prevent Johnny Page's brother in law from punching
you, or Cori Page from putting you in a headlock.

Merry Christmas,
Ben

It's called assault, jackass. And although the First Amendment cannot
technically be violated by a layperson, assaulting someone because you don't
like what they say is still a felony.

Assault is a matter of state law, not Federal, unless there
are associated Federal violations like kidnapping or civil
rights violations.

All states have ratified the Bill of Rights in their own state constitution.
Hecklers have a First Amendment right to free speech in a public state park.
They also have a right to be free from assault while in a public park.

They also have the right to be drunken, brawling louts.
Don't leave that out.

--
Michael Press

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MagillaGorilla wrote:

" wrote:

On Dec 25, 6:13 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
" wrote:

The First Amendment protects content. Had that same guy been yelling "Great job,
Jonathan!" would your hypothetical cop have arrested them for saying that? If
the answer is no - and we all know it is - then the cop just violated his civil
rights for arresting him for heckling Page because the basis of the arrest was
the content of his speech. Everybody was yelling and ringing cow bells in the
park that day.

Tool, the First Amendment has nothing to do with
this. The First Amendment doesn't protect you from
Cori Page putting you in a headlock.
State laws against assault protect you from that.
The fact that you were booing is immaterial. If
putting you in a headlock is illegal, it's illegal whether
you were shouting or not.

I hear that Cori Page gave you a noogie because
she was offended by your lack of knowledge
of constitutional law.

Ben

You have a First Amendment right to express yourself in a public park. That protects
you from getting arrested by the police. You also have a right not to be assaulted in
a public park just because someone doesn't like what you said.

Page, his brother-in-law, and his wife Cori are delusional idiots for thinking they
had a right to physically assault someone just because they didn't like what he was
saying.

If I were there I would have joined in the heckling. No wonder why Page sucks so bad
- he and his entourage have the ability to rationalize anything.

Who first put a hand on another party?

--
Michael Press

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Carl Sundquist wrote:

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
On Dec 25, 6:13 pm, "
wrote:

Tool, the First Amendment has nothing to do with
this. The First Amendment doesn't protect you from
Cori Page putting you in a headlock.


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Dumbass -


I was amused by this quote from the article:

begin

Page, who was third Sunday, said the heckling was "uncalled for."

"I don't feel it needs to be part of American bike racing ... I don't
go into their job and start booing them," he said.

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How naive. Professional athletes are entertainers,entertainers are
paid to be public figures and the job description includes being
cheered, booed or whatever.

I think jerry in vermont has been giving him too many blowjobs and its
scrambled his brain. Either that or he was stupid to begin with.

I thought you didn't know what the 'heckling mess' was about.

There is a difference between heckling a participant during an event
(although Wellens didn't seem to know that) and heckling/disrupting an
interview.

I do not see it strictly that way.
The interview is a public entertainment,
and subject to pointed heckling.
Disrupting the interview is improper.

--
Michael Press

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MagillaGorilla wrote:

Bill C wrote:

On Dec 25, 10:44*pm, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

Analogy. after a football game, if the sideline reporter is
interviewing a player and fans are in the background
interrupting, booing, heckling, cheering, whatever.
well, that's just part of the gig.

thanks,

K. Gringioni

Agreed, the question is just how disruptful was he being. Unless it
actually, physically made the interview impossible it's just rude.
Badly handled by just about everyone. I heard so many bad things
about the Nat's at KC, both years that this is just the cherry to top
it off.
I'm sure the folks out in oregon will do a much better job all
around. Hecklers are removed from events all the time, especially when
they start disrupting media stuff. Interview are/tent? An Official on
hand at the time? With media exposure being the bread and butter for
sponsors this sure as hell doesn't help sell the product.
Bill C

The organizers don't have the right to remove people from a public park.
Especially just because they are booing. Only the police have the right
to remove someone from a public park. And if they do it because of
speech content, they risk being sued.

The legal test is: would that same person cheering or saying something
nice be asked to leave? And if the answer is no, then you can't kick out
the guy who is booing or saying something rude because that means the
basis for the decision to ask him to leave is the CONTENT of this speech.

When you get a permit to run a bike race, that does not include the right
to regulate the speech of people in public places.

Do you think the drunks on Manayunk Wall in Philly who yell at the
cyclists are arrested? What the hell are you going to arrest them for?

I will not arrest them, or file a complaint.
They could be arrested for drunk in public.

--
Michael Press

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" wrote:

On Dec 25, 8:55 pm, Carl Sundquist wrote:
Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

As for the difference - I disagree, not if it's in a public place.

Analogy. after a football game, if the sideline reporter is
interviewing a player and fans are in the background
interrupting, booing, heckling, cheering, whatever.
well, that's just part of the gig.

If that is the case, then like the sideline reporters, the organizers
should have held the awards/interviews in a more controlled forum.
However, I suspect what happened was unexpected, if not unprecedented.
Unfortunately, that just means that in the future organizers may feel
compelled to budget for a secured interview area or for security to
manage the interview area.

Kurgan, read the article. The actual interview
was inside the announcer's trailer, and the dumbass
was shouting from outside. That's classless.
Heckling during the race or sporting event is
good clean rooting fun while everyone is pumped,
but heckling afterwards is more screwing with the
announcers and trying to get on TV than anything else,
the lout equivalent of the rainbow-wig "John 3:16" guy.

It's not something people should get arrested for,
but a little retaliation is in order. I think giving
the heckler a noogie would be about right.

You consider it acceptable to initiate violence on somebody.

--
Michael Press

Michael Press wrote:

In article ,
MagillaGorilla wrote:

" wrote:

On Dec 25, 6:13 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
" wrote:

The First Amendment protects content. Had that same guy been yelling "Great job,
Jonathan!" would your hypothetical cop have arrested them for saying that? If
the answer is no - and we all know it is - then the cop just violated his civil
rights for arresting him for heckling Page because the basis of the arrest was
the content of his speech. Everybody was yelling and ringing cow bells in the
park that day.

Tool, the First Amendment has nothing to do with
this. The First Amendment doesn't protect you from
Cori Page putting you in a headlock.
State laws against assault protect you from that.
The fact that you were booing is immaterial. If
putting you in a headlock is illegal, it's illegal whether
you were shouting or not.

I hear that Cori Page gave you a noogie because
she was offended by your lack of knowledge
of constitutional law.

Ben

You have a First Amendment right to express yourself in a public park. That protects
you from getting arrested by the police. You also have a right not to be assaulted in
a public park just because someone doesn't like what you said.

Page, his brother-in-law, and his wife Cori are delusional idiots for thinking they
had a right to physically assault someone just because they didn't like what he was
saying.

If I were there I would have joined in the heckling. No wonder why Page sucks so bad
- he and his entourage have the ability to rationalize anything.

Who first put a hand on another party?

--
Michael Press

I heard it was Page's brother-in-law, who couldn't deal with the fact that somebody
criticized the God that the extended Page family worships. It's really the same thing that
goes on in here. You got all these people who want to hold others "accountable" for what
they say. They can't stand anonymous posters because it messes up their stocking
personalities.

Magilla