Somebody mail the Page Family a copy of the U.S. Constitution

In article
,
"Paul G." wrote:

The video does not show who shoved first, but it leaves no doubt as to
who the aggressor was, and who caused the damage to the bikes.

The aggressor is the one who first shoved.

--
Michael Press

On Dec 26, 1:14 pm, Michael Press wrote:
" wrote:
On Dec 25, 8:55 pm, Carl Sundquist wrote:

Heckling during the race or sporting event is
good clean rooting fun while everyone is pumped,
but heckling afterwards is more screwing with the
announcers and trying to get on TV than anything else,
the lout equivalent of the rainbow-wig "John 3:16" guy.

It's not something people should get arrested for,
but a little retaliation is in order. I think giving
the heckler a noogie would be about right.

You consider it acceptable to initiate violence on somebody.

I'm going to start getting drunk and running around
at cross nats in the hopes of getting Cori Page to
put me in a headlock and give me a noogie.

Hey, compared to Bruce, that's a practically normal
fetish.

Anyway, I don't consider it acceptable, I consider
it predictable. It's like saying "Your mama!" to drunk
guys. If you do it enough, you'll get beat up.
Is it wrong for them to beat you up? Sure.
Should you be surprised or squeal about your
First Amendment rights? Go right ahead, but
don't ask me for sympathy.

Ben

Michael Press wrote:

In article ,
MagillaGorilla wrote:

Bill C wrote:

On Dec 25, 10:44*pm, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

Analogy. after a football game, if the sideline reporter is
interviewing a player and fans are in the background
interrupting, booing, heckling, cheering, whatever.
well, that's just part of the gig.

thanks,

K. Gringioni

Agreed, the question is just how disruptful was he being. Unless it
actually, physically made the interview impossible it's just rude.
Badly handled by just about everyone. I heard so many bad things
about the Nat's at KC, both years that this is just the cherry to top
it off.
I'm sure the folks out in oregon will do a much better job all
around. Hecklers are removed from events all the time, especially when
they start disrupting media stuff. Interview are/tent? An Official on
hand at the time? With media exposure being the bread and butter for
sponsors this sure as hell doesn't help sell the product.
Bill C

The organizers don't have the right to remove people from a public park.
Especially just because they are booing. Only the police have the right
to remove someone from a public park. And if they do it because of
speech content, they risk being sued.

The legal test is: would that same person cheering or saying something
nice be asked to leave? And if the answer is no, then you can't kick out
the guy who is booing or saying something rude because that means the
basis for the decision to ask him to leave is the CONTENT of this speech.

When you get a permit to run a bike race, that does not include the right
to regulate the speech of people in public places.

Do you think the drunks on Manayunk Wall in Philly who yell at the
cyclists are arrested? What the hell are you going to arrest them for?

I will not arrest them, or file a complaint.
They could be arrested for drunk in public.

--
Michael Press

Nobody's arrested on Manayunk Wall because everyone's yelling so the cops
don't differentiate between sober people yelling and drunk people yelling.

That's why people who drink at professional sporting events are almost never
arrested for being drunk in public.

Magilla

In article
,
" wrote:

On Dec 26, 1:14 pm, Michael Press wrote:
" wrote:
On Dec 25, 8:55 pm, Carl Sundquist wrote:

Heckling during the race or sporting event is
good clean rooting fun while everyone is pumped,
but heckling afterwards is more screwing with the
announcers and trying to get on TV than anything else,
the lout equivalent of the rainbow-wig "John 3:16" guy.

It's not something people should get arrested for,
but a little retaliation is in order. I think giving
the heckler a noogie would be about right.

You consider it acceptable to initiate violence on somebody.

I'm going to start getting drunk and running around
at cross nats in the hopes of getting Cori Page to
put me in a headlock and give me a noogie.

Hey, compared to Bruce, that's a practically normal
fetish.

Anyway, I don't consider it acceptable, I consider
it predictable. It's like saying "Your mama!" to drunk
guys. If you do it enough, you'll get beat up.

Oh, explain it to me some more.

Is it wrong for them to beat you up? Sure.

I am waiting for you to say "but."

Should you be surprised or squeal about your
First Amendment rights? Go right ahead, but

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

don't ask me for sympathy.

Am I asking for sympathy?
You think it is alright for somebody to initiate violence.

--
Michael Press

Michael Press wrote:

In article ,
Carl Sundquist wrote:

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
On Dec 25, 6:13 pm, "
wrote:

Tool, the First Amendment has nothing to do with
this. The First Amendment doesn't protect you from
Cori Page putting you in a headlock.


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Dumbass -


I was amused by this quote from the article:

begin

Page, who was third Sunday, said the heckling was "uncalled for."

"I don't feel it needs to be part of American bike racing ... I don't
go into their job and start booing them," he said.

snipend


How naive. Professional athletes are entertainers,entertainers are
paid to be public figures and the job description includes being
cheered, booed or whatever.

I think jerry in vermont has been giving him too many blowjobs and its
scrambled his brain. Either that or he was stupid to begin with.

I thought you didn't know what the 'heckling mess' was about.

There is a difference between heckling a participant during an event
(although Wellens didn't seem to know that) and heckling/disrupting an
interview.

I do not see it strictly that way.
The interview is a public entertainment,
and subject to pointed heckling.
Disrupting the interview is improper.

--
Michael Press

You say it is "improper." What does this mean and why is this important?
What difference does it make if it's improper or not?

You people develop these bizarre standards of decorum and then try to
retrofit them to a situation. The reality is there is absolutely nothing
wrong with heckling Page during his interview. It's not illegal, immoral, or
"improper."

But what Page's brother in law and his wife did was to try to start a
physical confrontation over it under the pretense of being righteous
protectors of decorum. It makes no sense.

Magilla

"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in message
...
On Dec 25, 10:38 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
On Dec 25, 7:55 pm, Carl Sundquist wrote:
Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
On Dec 25, 7:12 pm, Carl Sundquist wrote:

I thought you didn't know what the 'heckling mess' was about.

There is a difference between heckling a participant during an
event
(although Wellens didn't seem to know that) and
heckling/disrupting an
interview.

Dumbass -

Didn't know until this thread.

As for the difference - I disagree, not if it's in a public place.

Analogy. after a football game, if the sideline reporter is
interviewing a player and fans are in the background
interrupting, booing, heckling, cheering, whatever.
well, that's just part of the gig.

thanks,

K. Gringioni

If that is the case, then like the sideline reporters, the organizers
should have held the awards/interviews in a more controlled forum.
However, I suspect what happened was unexpected, if not
unprecedented.
Unfortunately, that just means that in the future organizers may feel
compelled to budget for a secured interview area or for security to
manage the interview area.

Dumbass -

It's all part of the show. They have a lot of police/security at the
football games, but they don't stop people from cheering/booing or
whatever. Oftentimes you'll see drunk fans in the background waving
their arms, doing all sorts of stupid things in the background of the
postgame sideline interview. They don't do anything unless it starts
to get profane.

Same goes for people in the stands during the game. Unless a fan gets
ridiculously profane, the paid security lets it happen. It's part of
the show.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

And that's for a private stadium (private property). On public
property -
where all bike races take place - there has to be even more latitude.
Short of
nudity or obstructing the course, I don't see a reason a cop can arrest
anyone.



Dumbass -


Sometimes the stadiums are public property (owned by the cities).
Still, in general I agree with you.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Magilla and Chang on the same side and correct. Wow, More Xmas presents.
But the damage intended to the 1st Amendment is horrible. If others forget,
let me remind: the 1st Amdt protects UNPOPULAR, DIVISIVE, SHOCKING, PUERILE,
DUMBASS speech. The majority protects the popular stuff. As to football
and concerts - there is usually some part of the ticket small print by which
the holder accepts a general prohibition on disruptive speech or conduct,
surrendering himself to corrective actions by the venue provider.

Peace in the New Year of your choice !

--
Bonne route !

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

"Michael Press" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Carl Sundquist wrote:

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
On Dec 25, 6:13 pm, "
wrote:

Tool, the First Amendment has nothing to do with
this. The First Amendment doesn't protect you from
Cori Page putting you in a headlock.


snip



Dumbass -


I was amused by this quote from the article:

begin

Page, who was third Sunday, said the heckling was "uncalled for."

"I don't feel it needs to be part of American bike racing ... I don't
go into their job and start booing them," he said.

snipend


How naive. Professional athletes are entertainers,entertainers are
paid to be public figures and the job description includes being
cheered, booed or whatever.

I think jerry in vermont has been giving him too many blowjobs and its
scrambled his brain. Either that or he was stupid to begin with.

I thought you didn't know what the 'heckling mess' was about.

There is a difference between heckling a participant during an event
(although Wellens didn't seem to know that) and heckling/disrupting an
interview.

I do not see it strictly that way.
The interview is a public entertainment,
and subject to pointed heckling.
Disrupting the interview is improper.

--
Michael Press

"Improper" ?????????
You mean you don't like it?
Like farting in public?
--
Bonne route !

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

"Michael Press" wrote in message
...
In article ,
MagillaGorilla wrote:

" wrote:

On Dec 25, 6:13 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
" wrote:

The First Amendment protects content. Had that same guy been yelling
"Great job,
Jonathan!" would your hypothetical cop have arrested them for saying
that? If
the answer is no - and we all know it is - then the cop just violated
his civil
rights for arresting him for heckling Page because the basis of the
arrest was
the content of his speech. Everybody was yelling and ringing cow
bells in the
park that day.

Tool, the First Amendment has nothing to do with
this. The First Amendment doesn't protect you from
Cori Page putting you in a headlock.
State laws against assault protect you from that.
The fact that you were booing is immaterial. If
putting you in a headlock is illegal, it's illegal whether
you were shouting or not.

I hear that Cori Page gave you a noogie because
she was offended by your lack of knowledge
of constitutional law.

Ben

You have a First Amendment right to express yourself in a public park.
That protects
you from getting arrested by the police. You also have a right not to be
assaulted in
a public park just because someone doesn't like what you said.

Page, his brother-in-law, and his wife Cori are delusional idiots for
thinking they
had a right to physically assault someone just because they didn't like
what he was
saying.

If I were there I would have joined in the heckling. No wonder why Page
sucks so bad
- he and his entourage have the ability to rationalize anything.

Who first put a hand on another party?

--
Michael Press

Touching is not the "touchstone" in such circumstances.
--
Bonne route !

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

On Dec 26, 1:52 pm, Michael Press wrote:

You consider it acceptable to initiate violence on somebody.

I'm going to start getting drunk and running around
at cross nats in the hopes of getting Cori Page to
put me in a headlock and give me a noogie.

Hey, compared to Bruce, that's a practically normal
fetish.

Anyway, I don't consider it acceptable, I consider
it predictable. It's like saying "Your mama!" to drunk
guys. If you do it enough, you'll get beat up.

Oh, explain it to me some more.

Is it wrong for them to beat you up? Sure.

I am waiting for you to say "but."

Should you be surprised or squeal about your
First Amendment rights? Go right ahead, but

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

don't ask me for sympathy.

Am I asking for sympathy?
You think it is alright for somebody to initiate violence.

Only during the holiday season.


If it makes you happy to feel morally superior
to me, go right ahead. Otherwise, outside the holiday
season, there is a spectrum from "encourage"
to "alright" to "condone" to "expect" to "condemn."
One may expect violence without condoning it.
There are multiple ways of responding to this,
from righteous moral outrage to not doing stupid
**** that triggers violent responses. Or as the Clash
would say, "Know your rights, all three of them."
I learned the subtleties of this in middle school.
Some apes never learn.

Ben

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Carl Sundquist wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

On Dec 25, 7:12 pm, Carl Sundquist wrote:

I thought you didn't know what the 'heckling mess' was about.

There is a difference between heckling a participant during an event
(although Wellens didn't seem to know that) and heckling/disrupting an
interview.
Dumbass -

Didn't know until this thread.

As for the difference - I disagree, not if it's in a public place.

Analogy. after a football game, if the sideline reporter is
interviewing a player and fans are in the background
interrupting, booing, heckling, cheering, whatever.
well, that's just part of the gig.

thanks,

K. Gringioni
Exactly.

But according to the Jonathan Page cocksuckers in here, you have the right
to storm the stadium and start knocking people's teeth in just because you
don't like the fact that they don't like you.

The logic of the people in here is hilarious.

Magilla

Who got their teeth knocked in?

Page's dick-in-law tried to knock the teeth out of the heckler, but he got "the
crap kicked out of him" according to Cori Page, Jonathan's biggest sycophant.

Magilla


I've only read the VN report. Cite?