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Mountain Biker Demonstrates How They Justify Poaching
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... This email demonstrates exactly how they (don't) think: 1. We "own" the national forests, so we can do whatever we want to there. Generally speaking, this is correct. We all believe there are rules and regulations in the national parks and forests, like there are rules and regulations on the streets and highways. Your agenda is to close the parks and forests because you don't like the activity, but the fact is there are lots of places within the parks and forest lands that the activity you do not like are perfectly acceptable for the activity you elect to not be a part of. Just because you elect to not take part does not mean nobody should be allowed to take part. 2. Some of us occasionally help maintain the trails, so we should be able to ride them. This is also true. People that actively take part in park and forest maintenance should be permitted to use the parks and forests. Indeed, the park and forest service seeks out Adopt-A-Trail participants to maintain the trails that they use. These participants perform a HUGE service in conjunction with park and forest rangers, and they keep the costs down for the park and forest services. 3. Manners aren't important -- it's easy to get away with any transgression, since enforcement is difficult. Only a dolt like you would think that manners aren't important. |
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Mountain Biker Demonstrates How They Justify Poaching
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... This email demonstrates exactly how they (don't) think: 1. We "own" the national forests, so we can do whatever we want to there. 2. Some of us occasionally help maintain the trails, so we should be able to ride them. 3. Manners aren't important -- it's easy to get away with any transgression, since enforcement is difficult. 4. Horses "damage" the trails, so we should be allowed to do the same. Mike You are a lying sack of ****, Michael Vandeman, and you have no clue how to properly post to a newsgroup. Not only do you lie constantly and voraciously, you are a stupid son-of-a-bitch to boot. If you feel like carrying on a conversation, do it on the newsgroup where the whole world can see your lies and deceit. Do not converse privately. |
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Mountain Biker Demonstrates How They Justify Poaching
On Dec 17, 9:39*am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
This email demonstrates exactly how they (don't) think: 1. We "own" the national forests, so we can do whatever we want to there. 2. Some of us occasionally help maintain the trails, so we should be able to ride them. 3. Manners aren't important -- it's easy to get away with any transgression, since enforcement is difficult. 4. Horses "damage" the trails, so we should be allowed to do the same. Mike Wed, 16 Dec 2009: To: Cc: mountain bike From: raymond hobi List-Unsubscribe: Subject: What trails? Well, this message board gets pretty bland in the Winter, so I guess it's up to me to "stir the pot". Every time I get my monthly mag from IMBA, I can't help but think, "Yeah, it's O.K. what they're doing for mtn. biking and all, but why in the hell do we need an "inter- national organization" to (mainly) fight for trail access rights. I mean, don't we already own the national forests? Who has the right to say that certain trails can only be used for this and that, but not the other? It doesn't make sense when you think about it. Even on the trails that allow mtn biking, who ends up doing all the clearing of treefall every Spring? It certainly isn't the forest service (not that I've seen, anyway!). I liked it better in the "old days". When I started mtn biking, there was no such thing as an "off limit" trail. There simply was a trail, and you rode it. And there was non of this "trail manners" either. You just blew by hikers like they were standing still. By the time they knew what hit them, you were long gone! You know this trail access issue is mostly political whe they allow horses on trails but not bicycles. I mean, have you ever riden a popular horse trail during the rainy season (like now). Those hoves put divits in the mud that are 3-6" deep, over and over. Not to mention trying to ride around the "piles". As far as I know, (most) mtn bikers don't crap in the middle of the trail. And they don't weigh 600-1,000 pounds. I just got through writing an e mail to IMBA. I said the solution to trail access is easy. I'll just do what we've been doing for 25 years, which is to put on the night gear and go out at 2am. Never had a problem! If there is a problem with environmentally damaging mtn.biking then take stewardship of the land then you can use heavy wire at correct height so as not to injure rider. Yes, it is illegal and I suggest that you do not commit illegal acts. Another method would be to place in areas being violated posters warning stringent methods to be taken. If they ignored then you could take stringent measures. Just don't do anything illegal. (Maybe we could clone a couple of those mountain boy to hose abusive riders) Concealed tire spikes an typical parking areas. On, and on. climber ATV'ers who ride off the trails are another case. |
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Mountain Biker Demonstrates How They Justify Poaching
"climber" wrote in message ... On Dec 17, 9:39 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: This email demonstrates exactly how they (don't) think: 1. We "own" the national forests, so we can do whatever we want to there. 2. Some of us occasionally help maintain the trails, so we should be able to ride them. 3. Manners aren't important -- it's easy to get away with any transgression, since enforcement is difficult. 4. Horses "damage" the trails, so we should be allowed to do the same. Mike Wed, 16 Dec 2009: To: Cc: mountain bike From: raymond hobi List-Unsubscribe: Subject: What trails? Well, this message board gets pretty bland in the Winter, so I guess it's up to me to "stir the pot". Every time I get my monthly mag from IMBA, I can't help but think, "Yeah, it's O.K. what they're doing for mtn. biking and all, but why in the hell do we need an "inter- national organization" to (mainly) fight for trail access rights. I mean, don't we already own the national forests? Who has the right to say that certain trails can only be used for this and that, but not the other? It doesn't make sense when you think about it. Even on the trails that allow mtn biking, who ends up doing all the clearing of treefall every Spring? It certainly isn't the forest service (not that I've seen, anyway!). I liked it better in the "old days". When I started mtn biking, there was no such thing as an "off limit" trail. There simply was a trail, and you rode it. And there was non of this "trail manners" either. You just blew by hikers like they were standing still. By the time they knew what hit them, you were long gone! You know this trail access issue is mostly political whe they allow horses on trails but not bicycles. I mean, have you ever riden a popular horse trail during the rainy season (like now). Those hoves put divits in the mud that are 3-6" deep, over and over. Not to mention trying to ride around the "piles". As far as I know, (most) mtn bikers don't crap in the middle of the trail. And they don't weigh 600-1,000 pounds. I just got through writing an e mail to IMBA. I said the solution to trail access is easy. I'll just do what we've been doing for 25 years, which is to put on the night gear and go out at 2am. Never had a problem! If there is a problem with environmentally damaging mtn.biking then take stewardship of the land then you can use heavy wire at correct height so as not to injure rider. Yes, it is illegal and I suggest that you do not commit illegal acts. Another method would be to place in areas being violated posters warning stringent methods to be taken. If they ignored then you could take stringent measures. Just don't do anything illegal. (Maybe we could clone a couple of those mountain boy to hose abusive riders) Concealed tire spikes an typical parking areas. On, and on. JS You're too late, Mike is already onboard with stringing wire and setting branches at angles where a person can become impailed. I'd never suggest that Mike actually does this, but he's posted in the past that it happens, and he agrees with those that do it. /JS |
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Mountain Biker Demonstrates How They Justify Poaching
On Dec 19, 5:24*pm, "Jeff Strickland" wrote:
"climber" wrote in message ... On Dec 17, 9:39 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: This email demonstrates exactly how they (don't) think: 1. We "own" the national forests, so we can do whatever we want to there. 2. Some of us occasionally help maintain the trails, so we should be able to ride them. 3. Manners aren't important -- it's easy to get away with any transgression, since enforcement is difficult. 4. Horses "damage" the trails, so we should be allowed to do the same. Mike Wed, 16 Dec 2009: To: Cc: mountain bike From: raymond hobi List-Unsubscribe: Subject: What trails? Well, this message board gets pretty bland in the Winter, so I guess it's up to me to "stir the pot". Every time I get my monthly mag from IMBA, I can't help but think, "Yeah, it's O.K. what they're doing for mtn. biking and all, but why in the hell do we need an "inter- national organization" to (mainly) fight for trail access rights. I mean, don't we already own the national forests? Who has the right to say that certain trails can only be used for this and that, but not the other? It doesn't make sense when you think about it. Even on the trails that allow mtn biking, who ends up doing all the clearing of treefall every Spring? It certainly isn't the forest service (not that I've seen, anyway!). I liked it better in the "old days". When I started mtn biking, there was no such thing as an "off limit" trail. There simply was a trail, and you rode it. And there was non of this "trail manners" either. You just blew by hikers like they were standing still. By the time they knew what hit them, you were long gone! You know this trail access issue is mostly political whe they allow horses on trails but not bicycles. I mean, have you ever riden a popular horse trail during the rainy season (like now). Those hoves put divits in the mud that are 3-6" deep, over and over. Not to mention trying to ride around the "piles". As far as I know, (most) mtn bikers don't crap in the middle of the trail. And they don't weigh 600-1,000 pounds. I just got through writing an e mail to IMBA. I said the solution to trail access is easy. I'll just do what we've been doing for 25 years, which is to put on the night gear and go out at 2am. Never had a problem! If there is a problem with environmentally damaging mtn.biking then take stewardship of the land then you can use heavy wire at correct height so as not to injure rider. Yes, it is illegal and I suggest that you do not commit illegal acts. Another method would be to place in areas being violated posters warning stringent methods to be taken. If they ignored then you could take stringent measures. Just don't do anything illegal. (Maybe we could clone a couple of those mountain boy to hose abusive riders) Concealed tire spikes an typical parking areas. On, and on. JS You're too late, Mike is already onboard with stringing wire and setting branches at angles where a person can become impailed. I'd never suggest that Mike actually does this, but he's posted in the past that it happens, and he agrees with those that do it. /JS- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - To quote a famous person, "You are a lying bag of ****". And you KNOW IT. |
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Mountain Biker Demonstrates How They Justify Poaching
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Dec 19, 5:24 pm, "Jeff Strickland" wrote: "climber" wrote in message ... On Dec 17, 9:39 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: This email demonstrates exactly how they (don't) think: 1. We "own" the national forests, so we can do whatever we want to there. 2. Some of us occasionally help maintain the trails, so we should be able to ride them. 3. Manners aren't important -- it's easy to get away with any transgression, since enforcement is difficult. 4. Horses "damage" the trails, so we should be allowed to do the same. Mike Wed, 16 Dec 2009: To: Cc: mountain bike From: raymond hobi List-Unsubscribe: Subject: What trails? Well, this message board gets pretty bland in the Winter, so I guess it's up to me to "stir the pot". Every time I get my monthly mag from IMBA, I can't help but think, "Yeah, it's O.K. what they're doing for mtn. biking and all, but why in the hell do we need an "inter- national organization" to (mainly) fight for trail access rights. I mean, don't we already own the national forests? Who has the right to say that certain trails can only be used for this and that, but not the other? It doesn't make sense when you think about it. Even on the trails that allow mtn biking, who ends up doing all the clearing of treefall every Spring? It certainly isn't the forest service (not that I've seen, anyway!). I liked it better in the "old days". When I started mtn biking, there was no such thing as an "off limit" trail. There simply was a trail, and you rode it. And there was non of this "trail manners" either. You just blew by hikers like they were standing still. By the time they knew what hit them, you were long gone! You know this trail access issue is mostly political whe they allow horses on trails but not bicycles. I mean, have you ever riden a popular horse trail during the rainy season (like now). Those hoves put divits in the mud that are 3-6" deep, over and over. Not to mention trying to ride around the "piles". As far as I know, (most) mtn bikers don't crap in the middle of the trail. And they don't weigh 600-1,000 pounds. I just got through writing an e mail to IMBA. I said the solution to trail access is easy. I'll just do what we've been doing for 25 years, which is to put on the night gear and go out at 2am. Never had a problem! If there is a problem with environmentally damaging mtn.biking then take stewardship of the land then you can use heavy wire at correct height so as not to injure rider. Yes, it is illegal and I suggest that you do not commit illegal acts. Another method would be to place in areas being violated posters warning stringent methods to be taken. If they ignored then you could take stringent measures. Just don't do anything illegal. (Maybe we could clone a couple of those mountain boy to hose abusive riders) Concealed tire spikes an typical parking areas. On, and on. JS You're too late, Mike is already onboard with stringing wire and setting branches at angles where a person can become impailed. I'd never suggest that Mike actually does this, but he's posted in the past that it happens, and he agrees with those that do it. /JS- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - To quote a famous person, "You are a lying bag of ****". And you KNOW IT. JS You're the one that posted articles of people stringing piano wire across the trail, and setting sharpened branches at angles specifically meant to cause harm to passing riders, and supported the actions. As for the quote from the "famous person," that was me -- except that I'm not famous. You're a lying sack of ****, and you know it. /JS |
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Mountain Biker Demonstrates How They Justify Poaching
On Dec 20, 9:01*am, "Jeff Strickland" wrote:
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Dec 19, 5:24 pm, "Jeff Strickland" wrote: "climber" wrote in message .... On Dec 17, 9:39 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: This email demonstrates exactly how they (don't) think: 1. We "own" the national forests, so we can do whatever we want to there. 2. Some of us occasionally help maintain the trails, so we should be able to ride them. 3. Manners aren't important -- it's easy to get away with any transgression, since enforcement is difficult. 4. Horses "damage" the trails, so we should be allowed to do the same.. Mike Wed, 16 Dec 2009: To: Cc: mountain bike From: raymond hobi List-Unsubscribe: Subject: What trails? Well, this message board gets pretty bland in the Winter, so I guess it's up to me to "stir the pot". Every time I get my monthly mag from IMBA, I can't help but think, "Yeah, it's O.K. what they're doing for mtn. biking and all, but why in the hell do we need an "inter- national organization" to (mainly) fight for trail access rights. I mean, don't we already own the national forests? Who has the right to say that certain trails can only be used for this and that, but not the other? It doesn't make sense when you think about it. Even on the trails that allow mtn biking, who ends up doing all the clearing of treefall every Spring? It certainly isn't the forest service (not that I've seen, anyway!). I liked it better in the "old days". When I started mtn biking, there was no such thing as an "off limit" trail. There simply was a trail, and you rode it. And there was non of this "trail manners" either. You just blew by hikers like they were standing still. By the time they knew what hit them, you were long gone! You know this trail access issue is mostly political whe they allow horses on trails but not bicycles. I mean, have you ever riden a popular horse trail during the rainy season (like now). Those hoves put divits in the mud that are 3-6" deep, over and over. Not to mention trying to ride around the "piles". As far as I know, (most) mtn bikers don't crap in the middle of the trail. And they don't weigh 600-1,000 pounds. I just got through writing an e mail to IMBA. I said the solution to trail access is easy. I'll just do what we've been doing for 25 years, which is to put on the night gear and go out at 2am. Never had a problem! If there is a problem with environmentally damaging mtn.biking then take stewardship of the land then you can use heavy wire at correct height so as not to injure rider. Yes, it is illegal and I suggest that you do not commit illegal acts. Another method would be to place in areas being violated posters warning stringent methods to be taken. If they ignored then you could take stringent measures. Just don't do anything illegal. (Maybe we could clone a couple of those mountain boy to hose abusive riders) Concealed tire spikes an typical parking areas. On, and on. JS You're too late, Mike is already onboard with stringing wire and setting branches at angles where a person can become impailed. I'd never suggest that Mike actually does this, but he's posted in the past that it happens, and he agrees with those that do it. /JS- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - To quote a famous person, "You are a lying bag of ****". And you KNOW IT. JS You're the one that posted articles of people stringing piano wire across the trail, and setting sharpened branches at angles specifically meant to cause harm to passing riders, and supported the actions. Your nose is growing.... As for the quote from the "famous person," that was me -- except that I'm not famous. You're a lying sack of ****, and you know it. /JS- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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