Testosterone Used During Race Wouldn't Have Helped, Experts Say

"gds" wrote in message
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OK, I'm not an endocrinologist nor expert in this any way but I do have
a question.

If there is no short term benefit from elevated (more) testosterone,
then why is it that the body almost immediately produces elevated
amounts as a response to stress? And if the stress is removed then the
body quicky reverts back to its baseline level of testosterone
production.

As a matter of fact ALL of the glands in the body excrete excess hormones
under stress. Some help and some don't. Do you believe the human body is
perfect?

Dammit, he just forgot to take the patch off that morning. He got buzzed on
booze, slept with his wife and forgot to remove the patch, and the rest is
history.
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"Steve" h90943@hotmaildotcom wrote in message
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Dammit, he just forgot to take the patch off that morning. He got buzzed
on
booze, slept with his wife and forgot to remove the patch, and the rest is
history.

You may be very close to the truth of what happened, except that his wife
probably wasn't there. Had she been, she might have noticed it when she
woke him up in the morning.

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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:10:36 GMT, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:

"Scott" wrote in message
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Ningi wrote:
Klay Anderson wrote:
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The people who have actually used disagree.

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/10613.0.html

Pete

Right.... so you've got people involved in the study of the drug and
it's effects, as well as experts within the anti-drug testing
organization saying it wouldn't do any good, but you'll take the word
of a few people who've used it and say it would?

Some have alleged that it would be worth taking if only for the placebo
affect. Perhaps those touting it's benefits were suffering from
placebo affect when they determined that it worked for them.

After LeMond's Tour win in '89 everybody and his brother was taking iron
shots and everyone was bragging about how you got an almost immediate boost.
In FACT many riders decreased their performance because they were on the
edge of iron poisoning.

Anyone else remember "Mellow Yellow"? Supposedly if you smoked the dried
lining of the banana peel you'd get high. Literally MILLIONS of kids
instantly tried it and testified that it was a GREAT HIGH!

In the 1920's riders believed that smoking tobacco would "open the lungs"
and hence before the climbs you'd see riders passing around a cigarette.

Paradoxical response is pretty common, a lot of asthma medications work on the
principle. Cigarette smoke is an irritant that can constrict the bronchia.
However, a drag off, say, a marlboro menthol can cause the body to
over-compensate and cause bronchial dilation.

What someone CLAIMS to be effective and what tests demonstrate as effective
are commonly two completely different things. There are NO tests showing
testosterone as being effective for "recovery".

I am amazed at how much more knowledgeable 5 dozen bike dorks on the internet
are compared to the tens of thousands who've been to the big game. They all must
be nothing but superstitious morons. Go over to RBT and you'll see how stupid
the pro's are for using sewups.

Ron

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RonSonic wrote:

I am amazed at how much more knowledgeable 5 dozen bike dorks on the internet
are compared to the tens of thousands who've been to the big game. They all must
be nothing but superstitious morons. Go over to RBT and you'll see how stupid
the pro's are for using sewups.

Not entirely fair. Only the ignorant say this, they are
easier to notice than the less ignorant, and they will
always be with us. Tubular tires are great if you do not
have to maintain them; the aging process requires a
special cabinet in the cellar. Heck, tubulars are great if
you want to maintain them yourself, but if you have no
cellar in your apartment, you are SOL. They are light, the
rims are light, they ride better flat than a clincher, and
are a faster change on the road. If you can find a truly
slick clincher it will ride as well as a tubular.

--
Michael Press

"B. Lafferty" wrote in message
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"Steve" h90943@hotmaildotcom wrote in message
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Dammit, he just forgot to take the patch off that morning. He got buzzed
on
booze, slept with his wife and forgot to remove the patch, and the rest
is
history.

You may be very close to the truth of what happened, except that his wife
probably wasn't there. Had she been, she might have noticed it when she
woke him up in the morning.

Floyd received permission from his team to have his wife stay with him that
night.

Because so much does not make sense I tend to believe that he is innocent.
However, he might have been a low level doper who goofed and got caught.

It never helped me in any of my races.

-ilan

Ningi wrote:
Klay Anderson wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/s2p5h


The people who have actually used disagree.

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/10613.0.html

Pete

``You just push a button, do a Google search and you can get 300,000
hits for people selling these drugs,'' Ungerleider said. ``It's very
disturbing.''

Yes, so disturbing that he would say something which is obviously
false. The
rest of the article isn't much better.

-ilan

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Ningi wrote:
The people who have actually used disagree.

ilan wrote:
It never helped me in any of my races.

Yes, but did you apply it in the right place ? Having a SO apply it for
you has also been shown to increase testosterone values.

ilan wrote:
``You just push a button, do a Google search and you can get 300,000
hits for people selling these drugs,'' Ungerleider said. ``It's very
disturbing.''

Yes, so disturbing that he would say something which is obviously
false. The
rest of the article isn't much better.

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