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My Impressions of the Sanya City Circuit Race [long]
On Oct 31, 10:09 am, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
In article om, Marian wrote: On Oct 30, 9:07 pm, wrote: On Oct 30, 2:02 am, Ewoud Dronkert wrote: Just cuz people do things for fun doesn't mean they don't take it seriously. This is particularly true if you work in a particular field and you see other people doing a ****ty job and not making good on promises. It's irksome. You worry that others will think the entire field behaves that way. You're probably hinting at misgivings about your fellow statisticians but in Marian's case of recreational bike racing, I don't buy it. I didn't need convincing by Chang: it don't mean a thing. Actually, that's how I approached my own sporting career. I admit this much, that could be the reason it never went anywhere... However, it is still the way I teach my pupils: I am serious about my investments, they should be serious about their commitment but only because we all intrinsically love doing what we do. Don't expect, and make sure you don't need, rewards other than your own enjoyment. I know, I'm an amateur. No, I wasn't talking about the prize money. I don't give a rat's ass about it. What I think is ****ty is saying they'll do something and then not coming through, because it shows that the organizers weren't serious about their commitment. Part of taking that commitment seriously is keeping track of the number of laps and timing the damn racers as they cross the line. Yep. Finding out why the ambulance has changed parking places is also a part of that commitment. And I don't think I'm going too far out on a limb to suggest that sending someone over to ask whomever is in the ambulance if they are feeling alright is also a part of a commitment. I am not, however, entirely sure that they did fail to keep results. I was first told that I wasn't due prize money because only first place got prize money. It was only after I argued that their own specific regulations said that the first three finishers got prize money that they decided to inform me that I wasn't in second place. We're not talking about an insubstantial sum of prize money here either. Even as a highly paid foreigner who can't find enough things to spend all her money on it still represents about half my monthly salary. But the point is that I can't find enough things to spend my salary on already. The only part of my caring about the money they didn't give me is that they published a set of rules that said they would give it to me and then didn't. Have to agree with Marian on this: if you say you're going to pay out a prize, you had darned well better do so. And if you have a substantial prize for your race, you ought to do a good job of keeping track of placings. It gets better. The fellow from the Sanya City Cycling Association was here at lunch the other day and ended up at the same table with (among others) one of China's three UCI Comissaires. This resulted in his being asked all sorts of questions about how the race was organized. He claimed that there was a lap board and that I was approached at the finish line and informed that I was not a finisher but because I was dehydrated and confused obviously forgot having been told. Today the domestic comissaires arrived including (among others) one of my competitors. Since she's a lot more likely to pay attention to things like the existence of lap boards and since she wasn't in bad getting-on-the-ambulance condition at the finish line I tell her what he said to confirm or deny that my impression of what happened was, in fact, exactly what happened. No lap board. No one but our crowd around me at the finish line. The local races I enter don't have any prize money and usually end up with winners picking up the beer tab. This can be pretty expensive and if you're a contender in your age category it's a good idea to bring a big wodge of cash to the race just in case you end up winning. Holy perverse incentives, Batman! I think that sounds pretty good, actually, since in most races there's no need to do much to encourage people to try to win (in my amateur categories, bragging rights from outsprinting the other guy for second-last are way more important than prize money, or even draw prizes), but you do want to encourage participation. That means reasonable entry fees and generally treating the non-podium racers right. All my local races have are draw prizes. Racers do, however, get a discount at the bike shop. As much as I like to mock them, those joggers may be onto something with their finisher's medals. I've got more than a few finisher's certificates. -M |
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My Impressions of the Sanya City Circuit Race [long]
Bill Sornson wrote:
wrote: Have I mentioned how much I appreciate your taxes paying my salary? Ooops, look at the time! I have to go back to bed and sleep in late so I'll look properly rumpled when I autopilot my lecture today. Wade Churchill is working again? Bill, if you are going to make political cracks, at least get the name right. Try "Ward LeRoy Churchill". Hmmm..., a Google search indicated the common error of "Wade Churchill" on a lot of right wing blogs. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia When did ignorance of biology become a "family value"? |
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My Impressions of the Sanya City Circuit Race [long]
On Oct 30, 2:07 am, Ewoud Dronkert
wrote: Marian schreef: As someone who lives in Sanya and who truly enjoys cycling as a sport If you really do races because they're fun and to improve yourself, and 30.2 kph for 60 km was the fastest you ever went for the distance, and you did not win, why did you get knickers in a twist over some prize money and a 2nd place (loser's) trophy?! BTW, I checked the ultra comprehensive "100 Years of road cyclists - Dutch professional riders and their results" and no mention of a Jan Kole, or Koole, Coole, Koelen or similar. Did he never leave the amateur ranks despite his Giro and Vuelta exploits? I did stumble upon the impressive palmares of Richard (Dick) Bukacki, born 1946, professional 1968-1982, 4 full pages of results, 1 win each for the 1st 2 years, several wins every year after that. A real sharp shooter. -- E. Dronkert you know i think you have something wrong my dad raced in the 1980's jan adriaan kole sincerly Sander Kolw |
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Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
BTW, I checked the ultra comprehensive "100 Years of road cyclists - Dutch professional riders and their results" and no mention of a Jan Kole, or Koole, Coole, Koelen or similar. Did he never leave the amateur ranks despite his Giro and Vuelta exploits? wrote: you know i think you have something wrong my dad raced in the 1980's jan adriaan kole Ewoud Dronkert wrote: Oh right, well in any case there is no-one by that name in the book, purporting to hold all Dutch _professional_ road cyclists from 1895 to 1995 or thereabouts. Did your father have a contract as a professional rider? If indeed he did, the book isn't complete after all... Perhaps he wasn't registered/licensed in Holland ? |
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My Impressions of the Sanya City Circuit Race [long]
Donald Munro wrote:
Ewoud Dronkert wrote: Oh right, well in any case there is no-one by that name in the book, purporting to hold all Dutch _professional_ road cyclists from 1895 to 1995 or thereabouts. Did your father have a contract as a professional rider? If indeed he did, the book isn't complete after all... Perhaps he wasn't registered/licensed in Holland ? No, doesn't matter, the scope of the book is all pro riders of Dutch nationality. -- E. Dronkert |
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My Impressions of the Sanya City Circuit Race [long]
Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
Donald Munro wrote: Ewoud Dronkert wrote: Oh right, well in any case there is no-one by that name in the book, purporting to hold all Dutch _professional_ road cyclists from 1895 to 1995 or thereabouts. Did your father have a contract as a professional rider? If indeed he did, the book isn't complete after all... Perhaps he wasn't registered/licensed in Holland ? No, doesn't matter, the scope of the book is all pro riders of Dutch nationality. Dutch sporting names are always very confusing. There was an English soccer manager in the late 70s who tried to sign Hertz Van Rental. |
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