"Cyclist talks of impact collision had on his life"

On 10/03/2012 00:27, roger merriman wrote:
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On 08/03/2012 22:21, roger merriman wrote:
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On 08/03/2012 09:31, roger merriman wrote:

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On 08/03/2012 07:16, Doug wrote:
On Mar 8, 7:06 am, Bertie wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:35:46 -0800 (PST),
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It also says that 15% of cyclists hit by a car are likely to die.
"I've just met an extremely inspiring cyclist called Andrew Curran.
He was hit by a car while out cycling near Box Hill last May and
nearly died. It was three weeks before his wedding.
Here is my full interview with him:..."

More with video.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17292780

Oh God! Now you've let the cat out of the bag...
"He is also an advocate of cycling helmets and says wearing one saved
his life. He's getting married soon. We wish him well."

Hmm! So how then did he get a fractured skull

From impact (mechanical) damage to the skull which would otherwise
have been worse (meaning fatal)?

thats rather unlikely.

What, "rather unlikely" that he got a fractured skull from impact
damage, or "rather unlikely" that it could have been worse?

that the helmet would of done much.

That depends on your preferred definition of "much".

It seems rather likely (as opposed to "rather unlikely") that the fearful
injury he did receive (a fractured skull) would have been worse still had his
head not been protected to some extent.

Sure but a cycle helmet is unlikley to offer that sort of protection,
it's not intended for that sort of thing check out a DH full face to see
the differnces.

to the best of my knowlege helmets struggle to prove that they do much?
though they do prove useful in getting threads going on usnet/forums.

Of course, I am not writing from a position of prejudice. I genuinely have no
axe to grind (except from a humanitarian POV) as to whether cyclists wear
helmets or not, and whether by compulsion or not. I do realise that many
cyclists regard them as unfashionable and uncool and wouldn't be seen dead
wearing one. Even literally in some cases.

most cyclist see them as cool, it's part of the look be that a roadie or
MTBer, or what ever.



and his helmet didn't
protect him against his several other very serious, life-threatening
injuries.

But then again, it wasn't meant to, was it? Just like air-bags and a
fastened seat belt won't sufficiently protect the driver and most
passengers in a car which slams into an underground concrete pillar at
70 mph.

are you really comparing airbags and seatbelts to cycle helmet?

They are analogous things.
Perhaps a better comparison is cricket shin pads, but they are all a subset
of items designed to give mechanical protection to the human body.

so are cycling gloves.

So they are. However, as unpleasant as it may be, severe injury to a hand, or
the loss of use of a hand, or even the loss of a whole limb or more than one
limb, can be survived rather more easily than severe head injury.

But you know that.

sure, my main risk is probably impact with a motorvehical thus my faith
in a cycle helmet is low.

Roger
The Porky Chapman Helmet Test.

1] Wear a cycle helmet & allow someone to hit you on the head with a hammer.
2] Repeat, but without wearing the cycle helmet.
Record which one hurts the most & causes most trauma.


--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

On 09/03/2012 04:43, Simon Mason wrote:
On Mar 8, 10:21 pm, (roger merriman) wrote:
wrote:
On 08/03/2012 09:31, roger merriman wrote:

wrote:
On 08/03/2012 07:16, Doug wrote:
On Mar 8, 7:06 am, Bertie wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:35:46 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

It also says that 15% of cyclists hit by a car are likely to die.
"I've just met an extremely inspiring cyclist called Andrew Curran.
He was hit by a car while out cycling near Box Hill last May and
nearly died. It was three weeks before his wedding.
Here is my full interview with him:..."

More with video.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17292780

Oh God! Now you've let the cat out of the bag...
"He is also an advocate of cycling helmets and says wearing one saved
his life. He's getting married soon. We wish him well."

Hmm! So how then did he get a fractured skull

From impact (mechanical) damage to the skull which would otherwise
have been worse (meaning fatal)?

thats rather unlikely.

What, "rather unlikely" that he got a fractured skull from impact damage, or
"rather unlikely" that it could have been worse?

that the helmet would of done much.

Sheesh.

That's "The helmet would HAVE done much"
And I do not even have English O level.

That is glaringly obvious.

--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

On 09/03/2012 07:20, Doug wrote:
On Mar 8, 8:35 am, Dave - Cyclists
wrote:
On 08/03/2012 07:16, Doug wrote:









On Mar 8, 7:06 am, Bertie wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:35:46 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

It also says that 15% of cyclists hit by a car are likely to die.

"I've just met an extremely inspiring cyclist called Andrew Curran.

He was hit by a car while out cycling near Box Hill last May and
nearly died. It was three weeks before his wedding.

Here is my full interview with him:..."

More with video.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17292780

Oh God! Now you've let the cat out of the bag...

"He is also an advocate of cycling helmets and says wearing one saved
his life. He's getting married soon. We wish him well."

Hmm! So how then did he get a fractured skull and his helmet didn't
protect him against his several other very serious, life-threatening
injuries. Helmets are merely a tokenistic protection perception, like
all the other advice handed out to cyclists in an attempt to divert
responsibility away from the real danger posed to cyclists, which is
dangerous drivers who are allowed to continue using our roads.

The Porky Chapman Helmet Test.

1] Wear a cycle helmet& allow someone to hit you on the head with a hammer.
2] Repeat, but without wearing the cycle helmet.
Record which one hurts the most& causes most trauma.

Repeat with rib-cage, with and without body armour, instead of skull
and see what happens.

Broken ribs can cause serious damage to the heart and lungs.

I repeat, helmets are a tokenistic protection used to deflect blame
from drivers to vulnerable cyclists.

The Porky Chapman Helmet Test.

1] Wear a cycle helmet & allow someone to hit you on the head with a hammer.
2] Repeat, but without wearing the cycle helmet.
Record which one hurts the most & causes most trauma.


--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:17:21 +0000, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:



Porky Chapman


Predatory stalkers spy on the victim in order to prepare and plan an
attack – often sexual – on the victim.


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An oft-repeated lie is still a lie.

On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 03:00:30 -0800, Simon Mason wrote:

On Mar 9, 7:20Â*am, Doug wrote: .

Repeat with rib-cage, with and without body armour, instead of skull
and see what happens.

Broken ribs can cause serious damage to the heart and lungs.

I repeat, helmets are a tokenistic protection used to deflect blame
from drivers to vulnerable cyclists.

Agreed.
I never wear one, never have done and never will do.
Total waste of time.

Sorry I cannot say the same thing.
I am ashamed to say I believed the hysterical propaganda being spouted by
so-called learned people before NZ's all-encompassing mandatory bicycle
helmet law came in. I therefore wore helmets everywwhere for about 8
years, and came to think that I was naked if I was not wearing a helmet
on a bike.
But then I saw a ridiculous photo of someone pootling down a wine trail
between the vines on a lovely country track -- wearing a helmet! I
wondered what was so dangerous that a helmet was necessary there.
So I did some research, mostly to try and justify why people should wear
helmets while bicycling on roads. It seemed like a good thing and a "no-
brainer"
That is the danger of doing research. About 2 weeks later I had to
change my mind when I realised how ****wit NZ'ers had been totally
brainwashed by ****wit "experts" and ****wit legislators, and the ****wit
police who ferociously enforced the law.



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An oft-repeated lie is still a lie.

On Mar 10, 12:27*am, (roger merriman) wrote:



sure, my main risk is probably impact with a motorvehical thus my faith
in a cycle helmet is low.


You mean a "motor vehicle"?
You haven't got a degree by any chance have you?
--

Simon Mason

On Mar 9, 11:00*am, Simon Mason wrote:
On Mar 9, 7:20*am, Doug wrote:
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Repeat with rib-cage, with and without body armour, instead of skull
and see what happens.

Broken ribs can cause serious damage to the heart and lungs.

I repeat, helmets are a tokenistic protection used to deflect blame
from drivers to vulnerable cyclists.

Agreed.
I never wear one, never have done and never will do.
Total waste of time.

I've experimented and find that drivers come closer to me when I am
wearing one and avoid me more when they see my white hair.

Doug.

On Mar 9, 1:31*pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Doug wrote:
On Mar 8, 8:35 am, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 08/03/2012 07:16, Doug wrote:

On Mar 8, 7:06 am, Bertie wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:35:46 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

It also says that 15% of cyclists hit by a car are likely to die.

"I've just met an extremely inspiring cyclist called Andrew
Curran.

He was hit by a car while out cycling near Box Hill last May and
nearly died. It was three weeks before his wedding.

Here is my full interview with him:..."

More with video.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17292780

Oh God! Now you've let the cat out of the bag...

"He is also an advocate of cycling helmets and says wearing one
saved his life. He's getting married soon. We wish him well."

Hmm! So how then did he get a fractured skull and his helmet didn't
protect him against his several other very serious, life-threatening
injuries. Helmets are merely a tokenistic protection perception,
like all the other advice handed out to cyclists in an attempt to
divert responsibility away from the real danger posed to cyclists,
which is dangerous drivers who are allowed to continue using our
roads.

The Porky Chapman Helmet Test.

1] Wear a cycle helmet & allow someone to hit you on the head with a
hammer. 2] Repeat, but without wearing the cycle helmet.
Record which one hurts the most & causes most trauma.

Repeat with rib-cage, with and without body armour, instead of skull
and see what happens.

Broken ribs can cause serious damage to the heart and lungs.

I repeat, helmets are a tokenistic protection used to deflect blame
from drivers to vulnerable cyclists.

What about the frequent falling off that cyclists do? *Surely it is worth
protecting the most valuable bit of your body when engaging in an extra
hazardous occupation. *?

The worst hazard is drivers who can strike any part of a cyclist's
body.

I have only ever struck my head once while falling off and that was
when a motorist was coming straight at me and I had to swerve to avoid
it and struck the side of the narrow sunken lane with my head and
shoulder. Even then there was no concussion.

I am more worried about my heart and the stress to it caused by
drivers. There is no protection for that.

-- .
A driving licence is sometimes a licence to kill.

On Mar 10, 1:14*am, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 08/03/2012 22:21, roger merriman wrote:









*wrote:

On 08/03/2012 09:31, roger merriman wrote:

* wrote:
On 08/03/2012 07:16, Doug wrote:
On Mar 8, 7:06 am, Bertie * *wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:35:46 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

It also says that 15% of cyclists hit by a car are likely to die.
"I've just met an extremely inspiring cyclist called Andrew Curran.

On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 00:27:44 +0000, (roger merriman) wrote:

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sure, my main risk is probably impact with a motorvehical thus my faith
in a cycle helmet is low.

Roger



But if you are hit by a motor vehicle - it is more likely that your head will
hit the ground than the vehicle itself. (That is why motorcycle helmets and
cycle helmets are only tested to the equivalent force of your head hitting the
ground.


The following concerns motorcycle helmets - but also applies to cycle helmets


Most motorcycle helmet standards use impacts at speeds between 4-7 m/s (9-16
mph). At first glance, this is confusing given that motorcyclists frequently
ride at speeds higher than 20 m/s (45 mph). This confusion is relieved by
understanding that the perpendicular impact speed of the helmet is usually not
the same as the road speed of the motorcycle and that the severity of the
impact is determined not only by the speed of the head, but also by the nature
of the surface it hits and the angle of impact. For example, the surface of the
road is almost parallel to the direction the motorcyclist moves in so only a
small component of their velocity is directed perpendicular to the road while
they are riding. A perpendicular impact against a flat steel anvil at 5 m/s
(11 mph) might be about as severe as a 30 m/s (67 mph) oblique impact against a
concrete surface or a 30 m/s perpendicular impact against a sheet metal car
door or windscreen.