Trike for a tall, heavy person?

Sherman could use a little self-awareness: according to Google,
through the morning of 12/9/07 the pencil neck has outposted me on
Usenet this month by a ratio of over 5.5-to-1. Now, who is it that has
nothing to do?


On Dec 9, 7:28 am, Tom Sherman wrote:
Ozark Bicycle wrote:
On Dec 8, 11:11 am, wrote:
On Dec 7, 8:40 pm, Tom Sherman
wrote:

wrote:
On Dec 6, 8:12 pm, Tom Sherman
wrote:
aka Billy Joe Clark wrote:
...
I am 6'2" and weigh 320 lbs. I have a worksman PAV3 3CB and I love
it. The PAV3 is heavy and well built. The spokes are 11 g[au]ge (big
and strong)....
Is the rim sufficiently strong to allow normal tension levels in these
thicker than normal spokes? If not, they are worse for durability and
wheel strength than thinner spokes, as they will lose their pretension
at a lesser rim deflection than thinner spokes would.
The thicker spoke only really helps in fatigue resistance at the elbow,
which is why higher quality spokes are butted, to allow for a higher
strain in the straight portion of the spoke.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter
The rims are 50% thicker than normal rims. I've heard nothing but
good things about worksman cycles. They have been business 100
years. Go to worksman.com and click on PAV 3.
How do the thicker rims compare to "normal" rims in moment of inertia?
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter
I am not going to debate this with you. If you wish to debate this,
contact worksman.com and advise them of your expertise. They may wish
to employ you in R & D.

In Sherman's case, that would be "Removal & Disposal". ;-)

Gee, I see I have a Usenet stalker - Ozark Bicycle who has never
displayed any interest in trikes and recumbents looks for my posts on
alt.rec.bicycle.recumbents, and then posts a snarky reply to
rec.bicycles.tech. Doesn't this man have some customers' bicycles to fix
in his garage?

--
Tom Sherman - Pencil-necked nerd

I'd send the video but no camera. Itsa trip! Instant beach. just add
100 people, 25 mill and Federal sand.
BRING YOUR STEAMER!

"Harry (Lincoln, Nebraska)" wrote in message
...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS! NOR DOES HE EVEN INCLUDE ANY OF THE MESSAGE TO
WHICH HE IS RESPONDING. WHAT AN IDIOT!

If you're REALLY looking for something to ride. Why not try GOING TO
A BIKE SHOP to see what they have to offer that just might work for
your weight and height???? Instead of posting trivial crap here.

I have found that if it works for YOU then RIDE IT and to hell with
everyone else.

It would be wise to always consult with Ed Dolan the Great before you do
anything in life. He will advise you what is best for you. After all, you
are like lost little lambs who have gone astray and Ed Dolan is, well ...
just so Great!

I ride for the adventure, enjoyment, and meeting people along the way.

To worry about the small stuff....spokes, wheel width, etc. Is just
plain stupid. Find something that is comfortable for you. The post
here about your experiences.

Unfortunately, that is what most newsgroups are all about. I think there is
a cycling newsgroup which is devoted to bike rides. You might want to look
into it. Most of us just ride our bikes around town for a bit of exercise
and have no need for any information about such **** as adventure, enjoyment
and meeting ****ing people.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Fred, have another. Fred we came a looong way to run the beach, it's a
little bumpy. What of it?
People will think you a ****, Fred.

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...
Harry Brogan of Lincoln, Nebraska wrote:
If you're REALLY looking for something to ride. Why not try GOING TO
A BIKE SHOP to see what they have to offer that just might work for
your weight and height???? Instead of posting trivial crap here.

I have found that if it works for YOU then RIDE IT and to hell with
everyone else.

I ride for the adventure, enjoyment, and meeting people along the way.

To worry about the small stuff....spokes, wheel width, etc. Is just
plain stupid. Find something that is comfortable for you. The post
here about your experiences.

Rim and spoke choice, spoke lacing pattern, spoke tension and assembly
methods are NOT trivial, unless you do not give a damn if your wheels are
durable/reliable.

Cycling newsgroups need folks like Tom Sherman hanging around. He is an
expert not only on the trivia of bicycles, but also on the big things about
them. I suspect most of us rely on the manufacturers to get things right and
we more or less take our bikes as given to us by them. However, it does not
hurt to get input from real bike riders like Tom Sherman. Sometimes I think
the bike manufacturers have never in their lives actually ridden a bicycle.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...
Harry Brogan of Lincoln, Nebraska wrote:
If you're REALLY looking for something to ride. Why not try GOING TO
A BIKE SHOP to see what they have to offer that just might work for
your weight and height???? Instead of posting trivial crap here.

I have found that if it works for YOU then RIDE IT and to hell with
everyone else.

I ride for the adventure, enjoyment, and meeting people along the way.

To worry about the small stuff....spokes, wheel width, etc. Is just
plain stupid. Find something that is comfortable for you. The post
here about your experiences.
Rim and spoke choice, spoke lacing pattern, spoke tension and assembly
methods are NOT trivial, unless you do not give a damn if your wheels are
durable/reliable.

Cycling newsgroups need folks like Tom Sherman hanging around. He is an
expert not only on the trivia of bicycles, but also on the big things about
them. I suspect most of us rely on the manufacturers to get things right and
we more or less take our bikes as given to us by them. However, it does not
hurt to get input from real bike riders like Tom Sherman. Sometimes I think
the bike manufacturers have never in their lives actually ridden a bicycle.

The bottom line on wheels is that most are machine built. While this can
save a lot in labor, unless several steps are taken to insure proper
spoke tension, no spoke windup, proper spoke line and either stress
relief or spoke bedding (this last point in controversial), the wheel
will likely not be reliable and durable, even if built with quality
parts. A good mechanic at a small manufacturer or LBS can do this final
work on a machine built wheel in a few minutes, saving the new bicycle
owner money and aggravation.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

"Ozark Bicycle" wrote in message
...
Sherman could use a little self-awareness: according to Google,
through the morning of 12/9/07 the pencil neck has outposted me on
Usenet this month by a ratio of over 5.5-to-1. Now, who is it that has
nothing to do?


On Dec 9, 7:28 am, Tom Sherman wrote:
Ozark Bicycle wrote:
On Dec 8, 11:11 am, wrote:
On Dec 7, 8:40 pm, Tom Sherman
wrote:

wrote:
On Dec 6, 8:12 pm, Tom Sherman
wrote:
aka Billy Joe Clark wrote:
...
I am 6'2" and weigh 320 lbs. I have a worksman PAV3 3CB and I
love
it. The PAV3 is heavy and well built. The spokes are 11 g[au]ge
(big
and strong)....
Is the rim sufficiently strong to allow normal tension levels in
these
thicker than normal spokes? If not, they are worse for durability
and
wheel strength than thinner spokes, as they will lose their
pretension
at a lesser rim deflection than thinner spokes would.
The thicker spoke only really helps in fatigue resistance at the
elbow,
which is why higher quality spokes are butted, to allow for a
higher
strain in the straight portion of the spoke.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when
temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can
impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter
The rims are 50% thicker than normal rims. I've heard nothing but
good things about worksman cycles. They have been business 100
years. Go to worksman.com and click on PAV 3.
How do the thicker rims compare to "normal" rims in moment of
inertia?
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when
temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can
impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter
I am not going to debate this with you. If you wish to debate this,
contact worksman.com and advise them of your expertise. They may wish
to employ you in R & D.

In Sherman's case, that would be "Removal & Disposal". ;-)

Gee, I see I have a Usenet stalker - Ozark Bicycle who has never
displayed any interest in trikes and recumbents looks for my posts on
alt.rec.bicycle.recumbents, and then posts a snarky reply to
rec.bicycles.tech. Doesn't this man have some customers' bicycles to fix
in his garage?

Why are such posts in response to Tom Sherman not appearing on ARBR where
the Great Ed Dolan could deal with them - and this Ozark character too for
that matter? Those who take posts from other newsgroups and then do not see
that their messages get to the original group are cads and blackguards.

Everyone knows that the tech group is composed solely of nerds and jerks,
but that is no excuse for avoiding the Great Ed Dolan. Please note that Ed
Dolan sees to it that his messages get to the relevant cycling newsgroups,
not just ARBR.

One other thing - the above post should have been edited to get all the crap
out of it. Just because Ozark is an ignorant hillbilly does not mean that he
can neglect how his messages look. Frankly, it looks like he **** all over
himself. Clean up your messages before presenting them to the world, you
blockhead!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:
"Ozark Bicycle" TOP POSTED (fixed in this response):
Tom Sherman wrote:
Ozark Bicycle wrote:
Billy Joe Clark wrote:
I am not going to debate this with you. If you wish to debate this,
contact worksman.com and advise them of your expertise. They may wish
to employ you in R & D.

In Sherman's case, that would be "Removal & Disposal". ;-)

Gee, I see I have a Usenet stalker - Ozark Bicycle who has never
displayed any interest in trikes and recumbents looks for my posts on
alt.rec.bicycle.recumbents, and then posts a snarky reply to
rec.bicycles.tech. Doesn't this man have some customers' bicycles to fix
in his garage?

Sherman could use a little self-awareness: according to Google,
through the morning of 12/9/07 the pencil neck has outposted me on
Usenet this month by a ratio of over 5.5-to-1. Now, who is it that has
nothing to do?

Why are such posts in response to Tom Sherman not appearing on ARBR where
the Great Ed Dolan could deal with them - and this Ozark character too for
that matter? Those who take posts from other newsgroups and then do not see
that their messages get to the original group are cads and blackguards.

Ozark Bicycle runs a small repair shop in Rogers, Arkansas:
http://www.ozarkbicycleservice.com/. He advertises 0% attitude, which
leads one to believe he saves up his vitriol for rec.bicycles.*. He has
shown a dislike for anyone with a technical education or a successful
business.

Everyone knows that the tech group is composed solely of nerds and jerks,
but that is no excuse for avoiding the Great Ed Dolan. Please note that Ed
Dolan sees to it that his messages get to the relevant cycling newsgroups,
not just ARBR.

One other thing - the above post should have been edited to get all the crap
out of it. Just because Ozark is an ignorant hillbilly does not mean that he
can neglect how his messages look. Frankly, it looks like he **** all over
himself. Clean up your messages before presenting them to the world, you
blockhead!

Ozark is top posting in an attempt to annoy me. What he fails to realize
that while I find top posting incorrect, it does NOT annoy me per se.
However, it will annoy others and make him look like a Usenet dweeb.

Furthermore, he is using Google Groups, which for some unfathomable
reason does not honor the signature separator. Ozark Bicycle is either
to ignorant, lazy or perverse to strip out the signatures by hand, which
makes for messy posts. Furthermore, Google Groups appears to be deleting
blank lines in some places, while inserting extra ones at the top. Why
Google does this is beyond reason.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:
"Ozark Bicycle" TOP POSTED (fixed in this response):
Tom Sherman wrote:
Ozark Bicycle wrote:
Billy Joe Clark wrote:
I am not going to debate this with you. If you wish to debate this,
contact worksman.com and advise them of your expertise. They may
wish
to employ you in R & D.

In Sherman's case, that would be "Removal & Disposal". ;-)

Gee, I see I have a Usenet stalker - Ozark Bicycle who has never
displayed any interest in trikes and recumbents looks for my posts on
alt.rec.bicycle.recumbents, and then posts a snarky reply to
rec.bicycles.tech. Doesn't this man have some customers' bicycles to
fix
in his garage?

Sherman could use a little self-awareness: according to Google,
through the morning of 12/9/07 the pencil neck has outposted me on
Usenet this month by a ratio of over 5.5-to-1. Now, who is it that has
nothing to do?

Why are such posts in response to Tom Sherman not appearing on ARBR where
the Great Ed Dolan could deal with them - and this Ozark character too
for that matter? Those who take posts from other newsgroups and then do
not see that their messages get to the original group are cads and
blackguards.

Ozark Bicycle runs a small repair shop in Rogers, Arkansas:
http://www.ozarkbicycleservice.com/. He advertises 0% attitude, which
leads one to believe he saves up his vitriol for rec.bicycles.*. He has
shown a dislike for anyone with a technical education or a successful
business.

Everyone knows that the tech group is composed solely of nerds and jerks,
but that is no excuse for avoiding the Great Ed Dolan. Please note that
Ed Dolan sees to it that his messages get to the relevant cycling
newsgroups, not just ARBR.

One other thing - the above post should have been edited to get all the
crap out of it. Just because Ozark is an ignorant hillbilly does not mean
that he can neglect how his messages look. Frankly, it looks like he ****
all over himself. Clean up your messages before presenting them to the
world, you blockhead!

Ozark is top posting in an attempt to annoy me. What he fails to realize
that while I find top posting incorrect, it does NOT annoy me per se.
However, it will annoy others and make him look like a Usenet dweeb.

Furthermore, he is using Google Groups, which for some unfathomable reason
does not honor the signature separator. Ozark Bicycle is either to
ignorant, lazy or perverse to strip out the signatures by hand, which
makes for messy posts. Furthermore, Google Groups appears to be deleting
blank lines in some places, while inserting extra ones at the top. Why
Google does this is beyond reason.

Tom, I think you and I are the only ones who care what a message LOOKS like.
Most of these Usenet posters are complete slobs and seem not to care at all
about the esthetics of a written message. This comes from a lifetime of
never having read anything except advertising copy in newspapers and on
television.

I am tempted to get sloppy myself, but I simply can't stand to see something
in writing badly presented. I have no talent for ever writing anything
original or particularly well but I would have been a great editor with some
training because I care about how things look.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Dolan endorses Sherman! Birds of a feather.......

On Dec 9, 11:48 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:


Cycling newsgroups need folks like Tom Sherman hanging around.