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Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
On Oct 11, 11:56 am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Michael Press wrote: In article , MagillaGorilla wrote: Howard Kveck wrote: In article , MagillaGorilla wrote: In all sports with decades of competitive history - track & field, weightlifting, swimming - the athletes from the 1960's and 1970's would get their ass kicked by today's elite athletes in those very same sports. What makes you think that the athletes of earlier eras are any different phyiscally from athletes of today? The big difference, it seems to me, are training methods and nutrition. The things that allow an athlete to ge the most out of themselves... I'd think that if one of those athletes was transferred to today and had time to grow up and the chance to train like they do now (to make it as "equal" a comparison as possible), they'd be just as effective and fast as present day athletes. Yeah, it's all very Quantum Leap, but I think you've missed this aspect of the impossible-to-prove cross generational jock comparison. All you Merckx lovers crack me up. We're not talking about hypotheticals here Yes, we are. You are. Try to deny it. I'll just slip back in the barca lounger while you work out this one. because to engage in such a conversation would be frivolous and inaccurate. What I'm saying is if you took Eddy Merckx in his prime in 1969 and put him in today's peloton, he wouldn't be riding off the front like he did when he rode against Snow Valley factory workers of the 1960's. This comparison can be objectivbely done simply by looking at average speeds and doing wattage calculations. I'm not saying Merckx wouldn't be a pro-level rider today. All I'm saying is he wouldn't be riding off the front today like he did in the 1960's. Given the specialization of sprinters and Tour riders in today's pro peloton, it's pretty obvious Merckx - an all-arounder - would likely be just another rider on T-Mobile if he rode today. And he'd probably be a major doper today given that he doped in the 1960's. Take that all you Merckx lovers. Eddy Merckx was a champion. He was a champion in 1970. He is a champion today. He would be a champion in any age. I left out some verb conjugations, but you get the idea. Rhetoric thrives on repetition, but only the right amount. Does that logic also apply to Keith Partridge? There's two types of people on this Earth. There's the type that thinks that EVERY ****ING THING and PERSON that existed over 30 years ago was superior than what occurs today, and then there's the people who know the truth. You left out a category: - those that think that everything done now is better than what was done in the past. That's the narcissism, or Zoloftism, of the present day. R |
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Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
MagillaGorilla wrote:
There's two types of people on this Earth. There's the type that thinks that EVERY ****ING THING and PERSON that existed over 30 years ago was superior than what occurs today, and then there's the people who know the truth. You mean like this guy: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33402 -- Bill Asher |
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Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 11, 11:56 am, MagillaGorilla wrote: Michael Press wrote: In article , MagillaGorilla wrote: Howard Kveck wrote: In article , MagillaGorilla wrote: In all sports with decades of competitive history - track & field, weightlifting, swimming - the athletes from the 1960's and 1970's would get their ass kicked by today's elite athletes in those very same sports. What makes you think that the athletes of earlier eras are any different phyiscally from athletes of today? The big difference, it seems to me, are training methods and nutrition. The things that allow an athlete to ge the most out of themselves... I'd think that if one of those athletes was transferred to today and had time to grow up and the chance to train like they do now (to make it as "equal" a comparison as possible), they'd be just as effective and fast as present day athletes. Yeah, it's all very Quantum Leap, but I think you've missed this aspect of the impossible-to-prove cross generational jock comparison. All you Merckx lovers crack me up. We're not talking about hypotheticals here Yes, we are. You are. Try to deny it. I'll just slip back in the barca lounger while you work out this one. because to engage in such a conversation would be frivolous and inaccurate. What I'm saying is if you took Eddy Merckx in his prime in 1969 and put him in today's peloton, he wouldn't be riding off the front like he did when he rode against Snow Valley factory workers of the 1960's. This comparison can be objectivbely done simply by looking at average speeds and doing wattage calculations. I'm not saying Merckx wouldn't be a pro-level rider today. All I'm saying is he wouldn't be riding off the front today like he did in the 1960's. Given the specialization of sprinters and Tour riders in today's pro peloton, it's pretty obvious Merckx - an all-arounder - would likely be just another rider on T-Mobile if he rode today. And he'd probably be a major doper today given that he doped in the 1960's. Take that all you Merckx lovers. Eddy Merckx was a champion. He was a champion in 1970. He is a champion today. He would be a champion in any age. I left out some verb conjugations, but you get the idea. Rhetoric thrives on repetition, but only the right amount. Does that logic also apply to Keith Partridge? There's two types of people on this Earth. There's the type that thinks that EVERY ****ING THING and PERSON that existed over 30 years ago was superior than what occurs today, and then there's the people who know the truth. You left out a category: - those that think that everything done now is better than what was done in the past. That's the narcissism, or Zoloftism, of the present day. R The next thing you're going to tell me is computers from the 1960's that took up an entire room were just as powerful and fast as the computers of today. The fact is - everything done today is better than the past at thhe elite level. Everything. Especially athletics. Do you think Don Meredith would make an NFL team if he tried out today? Do you think Margaret Court or Chris Evert would even take 1 game off Serene Williams if she came to the U.S. Open? I hate everyone in here because you're all so ****ing stupid. Name 1 track star from the 1960's who is faster - in ANY event - than the track stars of today. Name one. Not even two, just one. Name 1 weight lifter from the 1960's who is stronger - in ANY event - than the weightlifters of today. One. Name 1 swimmer - male or female from the 1960's who is faster - in ANY event - than the elite swimmers of today. One. Now answer those same questions and substitue 1970 for 1960 and see if it changes. Then use 1980, and tell me if that matters. See my ****ing point? Yet all you JACKASSES IN HERE will have me believe Eddy "I was great in 1968" Merckx was different. Even though his hour record (set at altitude, mind you) wouldn't even stand up today against the likes of Christina Boardman....and we know Eddy wouldn't be dropping Lance on climbs. Eddy was great in 1960, I agree. But 1960 was an era when all sports were quite shallow in competition COMPARED TO TODAY. If Eddy rode today, he'd be just another guy on T-Mobile named in the Operacion Puerto dossier. The only exeption to this rule is rock guitarists and music. Rock stars and bands from the 1980's were much better than the fakes in 1990's and 2000. That's obvious though. Same with actors. Take that all you Hillary Duff fans. Take care, Magilla |
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Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Michael Press wrote: In article , Ryan Cousineau wrote: In article , "Carl Sundquist" wrote: "MagillaGorilla" wrote in message ... That's just another reason why Lance and most pros don't even bother with these idiotic records. Pretty soon riders will want to fly to the ****ing moon and do the hour in 1/6 gravity with no atmosphere just so they could ride over 150 km in a goddamn spacesuit. All these records are meaningless because there is no standard and factors such as altitude, air temperature, humidity make a huge difference. Magilla Can I give you a suggestion? In your efforts to sustain your threads (I know, you didn't start this one), after a couple of replies you start to become disjointed, unraveling more and more from there. Stick to making an outlandish statement or two, then move on to the next thread. In a stage race metaphor, you barely make it to the first mountain stages before you're toast. Like Boardman, you're better as a prologue specialist. In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls. In rbt, we coach them. It's time to change your signature quotation. Actually, I added the obvious sig, but found this in my alternate sigs pile instead. -- Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/ "My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook. Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing |
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Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Donald Munro wrote: Michael Press wrote: And Magilla has The Truth, same as some backwoods, bible-thumping, mountebank. Well, almost the same. The mountebank has the Word of God. Magilla has his prodigious appetite for bananas. Here you go _ _ \'-_,# _\'--','`| \`---` / jgs `----'` Thanks, no, I'm all right. ______ / \------// \ _// \ (_/ \_/ | jgs __|__ http://www.despardes.com/food/news/a...nana-jan8.html Five a day for better health. What, fruit? I'm not talking about fruit... -- Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/ "My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook. Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing |
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Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
"MagillaGorilla" wrote in message ... Eddy was great in 1960, I agree. But 1960 was an era when all sports were quite shallow in competition COMPARED TO TODAY. If Eddy rode today, he'd be just another guy on T-Mobile named in the Operacion Puerto dossier. Magilla Pappy started this one... http://tinyurl.com/38bjw8 At the time, I upgraded Merckx to Cat-1, and was generally conservative about what his status might be in the pro ranks today. |
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Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:52:17 -0400, MagillaGorilla
wrote: Kyle Legate wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: Ryan Cousineau wrote: You're one of these people who has built a delusional foundation in their mind that Merckx could ride off the front in today's peloton...but anyone who follows the spport closely knows Merckx wouldn't even be top 10 in the Tour de France if he rode today. Merckx was simply better than his competitors - that doesn't tell us anything about how great he was unless we take a close look at WHO he was beating. We do know his competitors were nowhere near as good as the riders are today. Your insistence on comparing riders of the past with riders of today is completely without merit. Do you think if Eddy Merckx raced today he would eschew modern training methods for his approach of riding across Belgium and then sleeping on the train on way back? Nonsense. In the era of specialization Eddy wouldn't be as dominant as he was in his day, but he would be better at the races he targets than any rider currently riding, all training methods and nutritional advances being equal. His natural talent was likely greater than Lance's and he had equal focus on winning. He would still be the Cannibal. If Eddy Merckx trained today and used modern European training methods, his dog's name would appear in the Operacion Puerto dossier. Or, he'd win 7 Tours, 4 Giros and 3 Vueltas, nobody'd ever prove anything but hurt themselves hating him. There'd be headlines in l'Equippe and a million frothing laffertys and still he'd keep winning. It really is just as plausible. Ron |
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Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
Michael Press wrote:
It's time to change your signature quotation. Ryan Cousineau wrote: Actually, I added the obvious sig, but found this in my alternate sigs pile instead. My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook. Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing Sandy was just channeling Ben Franklin in the time honoured rbr tradition. |
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Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
"Carl Sundquist" wrote in message ... "MagillaGorilla" wrote in message ... I love reading your stuff. Hopefully you'll keep it up because you emphasis the true ignorance here. Tell me - why do you believe that ANYONE cares what Lance is doing? That girl at the Tour de Georgia who appeared on "The Lance Chronicles" who cried and whined outside the Postal team bus cares. So do all the Livestrong bracelet wearers, which is a large majority of people in here. Boardman, You could tell 80% of the bracelet wearers that Armstrong won RAAM, the American version of the Tour, seven times and they would puff out their chests in pride. Are you implying he didn't? Fred |
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Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
Hi,
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