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Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
Bill C wrote:
On Oct 7, 12:42 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote: RonSonic wrote: On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:24:49 -0400, MagillaGorilla wrote: wrote: On Oct 6, 1:55 pm, stig wrote: Magilla; Fondriest's career was not to bad (even though he got the Rainbow Jersey that was destined for Bauer): Maurizio Fondriest1988 World Pro Road Race 1 stage, Tour of Switzerland 1990 Giro di Lazio 1991 World Cup Winner 1993 Milan - San Remo Flèche Wallone Championship of Zurich Giro dell'Emilia Tirreno - Adriatico GP du Midi Libre 1 stage, Giro d'Italia World Cup Winner 1994 Giro di Lazio 1995 1 stage, Giro d'Italia TTFN. Remember, this is the same guy who said all Eddy Merckx ever beat was a bunch of factory workers. Smokey If Eddy Merckx raced today in his prime, he wouldn't be riding off the front like he did when the competition were a bunch of part-time pros who made $5,000/year and worked in factories in the off-season. The next thing you're going to tell me is Connie Carpenter Phinney was the best female cyclist in the world. You people in here always try to pawn off victories in eras with weak competition as if they could pull that same **** today. You might be right that Merckx today would not win 500 of 1800 bike races or come away from all the tours with wins and ALL of the jerseys at any one tour. That level of dominance is over for anyone. Still there's no question he would still be one of the greats. Ron That's like saying if Margaret Court played tennis today she would be one of the greats. Absolutely not true. The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to today's athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so "great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took the start line against him were factory workers in the off-season. He wasn't racing against today's pros. Magilla- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I can't believe you've got everyone's panties in a bunch with this. Bet you can't believe it either. Let's see. No **** Eddy spanked his competition, but just how good they were, and how deep is debateable, but he was dominant. I'd argue that they very well might have been competitive, as a group today, IF they had come up today. I don't think the human physical differences are as pronounced in cycling as they are in American football. The players from the 60s were midgets compared to todays athletes. I think in cycling the biggest difference is in knowledge, training, and better chemistry. If Eddy had grown up in this age I still think he'd be a top racer. Maybe not dominant, but pretty damned good. Until we can catalog performance based on genetic makeup accurately these projections are useless for anything other than BSing about. Your still a virtuoso though. Bill C If Eddy Merckx grew up today, his dog's name would appear in the Operacion Puerto dossier and he'd be fired from T-Mobile. Thanks, Magilla |
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Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
On Oct 7, 4:33 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
wrote: On Oct 7, 3:25 pm, Wayne Pein wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to today's athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so "great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took the start line against him were factory workers in the off-season. He wasn't racing against today's pros. Who among today's pros can top his hour record? Wayne On a standard bicycle remember, not one of the "superman" jobs. Smokey Merckx set his hour record at altitude in Mexico City...the same place Bob Beamon jumped over 29 feet. Plus, Merckx never had to pass a WADA **** test either. So be careful when you try to glorify Merckx. I won't even get into his positive dope test. Magilla- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah and all of today's pros are squeaky-clean. Hell, they all ride on milk and cookies, everyone knows that. Smokey |
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Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
"MagillaGorilla" wrote in message ... Who among today's pros can top his hour record? A lot of pros could have topped it, but there was no compelling financial or professional reason to do it. The days of setting world records in cycling just for the sake of setting them are over. Top pros today train for high-profile results that will help get them a better contract. The hour record doesn't do anything for a pro. Why do you think both LeMond and Lance skipped the hour? Sure, Boardman did it...and that's why he writes bike reviews for magazines now. LeMond was too busy hunting turkeys and Lance was too busy hunting chicks. Since you went as far back as the LeMond era, you seem to have overlooked Indurain and Rominger, neither of whom had a compelling financial or professional reason to do it. I think part of the reason that there hasn't been much interest recently is the split records. How special is it to break 49.700 km at this point? With the spectre of Boardman's 56.375, I'd say not particularly. I'll concede that it's possible in the era of the sound bite that the hour record may be passe'. Unify the record book to currently acceptable TT equipment and I think interest would be greater. Wonder why Hinault never gave it a try. |
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Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
Carl Sundquist wrote:
"MagillaGorilla" wrote in message ... Who among today's pros can top his hour record? A lot of pros could have topped it, but there was no compelling financial or professional reason to do it. The days of setting world records in cycling just for the sake of setting them are over. Top pros today train for high-profile results that will help get them a better contract. The hour record doesn't do anything for a pro. Why do you think both LeMond and Lance skipped the hour? Sure, Boardman did it...and that's why he writes bike reviews for magazines now. LeMond was too busy hunting turkeys and Lance was too busy hunting chicks. Since you went as far back as the LeMond era, you seem to have overlooked Indurain and Rominger, neither of whom had a compelling financial or professional reason to do it. I think part of the reason that there hasn't been much interest recently is the split records. How special is it to break 49.700 km at this point? With the spectre of Boardman's 56.375, I'd say not particularly. I'll concede that it's possible in the era of the sound bite that the hour record may be passe'. Unify the record book to currently acceptable TT equipment and I think interest would be greater. Wonder why Hinault never gave it a try. Rominger had Testarossa as his motor and that should tell you how he did what he did. Indurain did it because it was the fad back then. But it did nothing for him and in fact might have hurt him. Don't forget that Indurain comes from the doping capital of the world. But for the most part you hit the nail on the head in that anyone who beats the traditional hour record of 49 now will still be substantially slower than the "unlimited" hour of 56 mph. Then there's the altitude vs. sea level record, indoor vs. outdoor... The UCI and national cycling federations are great at diluting the brand. Records use to be a big deal, but they no longer are because they have so many caveats. But the main reason why these records have waned amongst pros is because they don't lead to money. And that's what the bottom line to all proos is these days. Why add all that stress to your life to train for an hour record if there's no financial gain for it? Most top pros who can set a new hour record standard would rather spend their down time ****ing stewardesses in LA or cheating on their wife in Las Vegas. There's no cashback for a world record. It's just a debit transaction. Magilla C.P.A. |
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Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
MagillaGorilla wrote:
Carl Sundquist wrote: "MagillaGorilla" wrote in message ... Who among today's pros can top his hour record? A lot of pros could have topped it, but there was no compelling financial or professional reason to do it. The days of setting world records in cycling just for the sake of setting them are over. Top pros today train for high-profile results that will help get them a better contract. The hour record doesn't do anything for a pro. Why do you think both LeMond and Lance skipped the hour? Sure, Boardman did it...and that's why he writes bike reviews for magazines now. LeMond was too busy hunting turkeys and Lance was too busy hunting chicks. Since you went as far back as the LeMond era, you seem to have overlooked Indurain and Rominger, neither of whom had a compelling financial or professional reason to do it. I think part of the reason that there hasn't been much interest recently is the split records. How special is it to break 49.700 km at this point? With the spectre of Boardman's 56.375, I'd say not particularly. I'll concede that it's possible in the era of the sound bite that the hour record may be passe'. Unify the record book to currently acceptable TT equipment and I think interest would be greater. Wonder why Hinault never gave it a try. Rominger had Testarossa as his motor and that should tell you how he did what he did. Indurain did it because it was the fad back then. But it did nothing for him and in fact might have hurt him. Don't forget that Indurain comes from the doping capital of the world. But for the most part you hit the nail on the head in that anyone who beats the traditional hour record of 49 now will still be substantially slower than the "unlimited" hour of 56 mph. Then there's the altitude vs. sea level record, indoor vs. outdoor... The UCI and national cycling federations are great at diluting the brand. Records use to be a big deal, but they no longer are because they have so many caveats. But the main reason why these records have waned amongst pros is because they don't lead to money. And that's what the bottom line to all proos is these days. Why add all that stress to your life to train for an hour record if there's no financial gain for it? Most top pros who can set a new hour record standard would rather spend their down time ****ing stewardesses in LA or cheating on their wife in Las Vegas. There's no cashback for a world record. It's just a debit transaction. Magilla C.P.A. Duh correction: 56 mph = 56 km Magilla |
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Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
smokeystrodtman wrote:
Yeah and all of today's pros are squeaky-clean. Hell, they all ride on milk and cookies, everyone knows that. Dumbass, I put flaxseed oil on my milk and cookies. It tastes almost as **** as andouillette (and Hampsten won the Gavia stage) but it works great. |
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Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
Donald Munro wrote:
andouillette Thanks. Thanks, -- E. Dronkert |
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Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:42:14 -0400, MagillaGorilla
wrote: RonSonic wrote: On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:24:49 -0400, MagillaGorilla wrote: wrote: On Oct 6, 1:55 pm, stig wrote: Magilla; Fondriest's career was not to bad (even though he got the Rainbow Jersey that was destined for Bauer): Maurizio Fondriest1988 World Pro Road Race 1 stage, Tour of Switzerland 1990 Giro di Lazio 1991 World Cup Winner 1993 Milan - San Remo Flèche Wallone Championship of Zurich Giro dell'Emilia Tirreno - Adriatico GP du Midi Libre 1 stage, Giro d'Italia World Cup Winner 1994 Giro di Lazio 1995 1 stage, Giro d'Italia TTFN. Remember, this is the same guy who said all Eddy Merckx ever beat was a bunch of factory workers. Smokey If Eddy Merckx raced today in his prime, he wouldn't be riding off the front like he did when the competition were a bunch of part-time pros who made $5,000/year and worked in factories in the off-season. The next thing you're going to tell me is Connie Carpenter Phinney was the best female cyclist in the world. You people in here always try to pawn off victories in eras with weak competition as if they could pull that same **** today. You might be right that Merckx today would not win 500 of 1800 bike races or come away from all the tours with wins and ALL of the jerseys at any one tour. That level of dominance is over for anyone. Still there's no question he would still be one of the greats. Ron That's like saying if Margaret Court played tennis today she would be one of the greats. Absolutely not true. The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to today's athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so "great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took the start line against him were factory workers in the off-season. He wasn't racing against today's pros. Of course not, he was racing against that eras pro's. And yes there were pro's not just laborers with a side gig. It's one thing to have a realistic appraisal of Eddie's abilities. It's another to slag an entire generation of bike racers in order to insult him. |
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Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:33:14 -0400, MagillaGorilla
wrote: wrote: On Oct 7, 3:25 pm, Wayne Pein wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to today's athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so "great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took the start line against him were factory workers in the off-season. He wasn't racing against today's pros. Who among today's pros can top his hour record? Wayne On a standard bicycle remember, not one of the "superman" jobs. Smokey Merckx set his hour record at altitude in Mexico City...the same place Bob Beamon jumped over 29 feet. As if Mexico City were responsible for either. The fact is, nobody's taking on the Merckx record and there's a real good reason for that. So be careful when you try to glorify Merckx. I won't even get into his positive dope test. You just did. |
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