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TK was exactly right. OT weaseling Mea Culpa
On Jun 22, 1:34*pm, Bill C wrote:
*Scary thing is they are on both fringes, and do matter. Your fringe at work: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/25/...tant-solitary/ http://www.usdoj.gov/opr/oig-opr-inv...-hire-slip.pdf |
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TK was exactly right. OT weaseling Mea Culpa
On Jun 25, 10:22*am, Robert Chung wrote:
On Jun 22, 1:34*pm, Bill C wrote: *Scary thing is they are on both fringes, and do matter. Your fringe at work: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/25/...tant-solitary/ http://www.usdoj.gov/opr/oig-opr-inv...-hire-slip.pdf BTW, the latter link has the worst charts ever. |
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TK was exactly right. OT weaseling Mea Culpa
On Jun 25, 10:22*am, Robert Chung wrote:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/25/...tant-solitary/ OTOH, they do that to themselves, too: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/washington/25epa.html |
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TK was exactly right. OT weaseling Mea Culpa
On Jun 22, 1:34*pm, Bill C wrote:
*Scary thing is they are on both fringes, and do matter. More fringe: http://law.shu.edu/center_policyrese...inal_61608.pdf |
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TK was exactly right. OT
On Jun 25, 5:28*am, Bill C wrote:
Not sure if I would've supported buying/taking ANWR, but now that I, through my involuntary contribution, own it, and I'm gonna pretend the system might work, then I'm happier treating it like a painting on a wall. Just as much fun to look at and does a lot more good though. Once in a while, if enough of us scream at them, they actually listen. *They took our money, they bought it, we own it. Cool, I own ANWR. Drill it. Cool, I own saguaro cactus. Doze it. |
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TK was exactly right. OT
On Jun 25, 11:28*am, SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
On Jun 25, 5:28*am, Bill C wrote: Not sure if I would've supported buying/taking ANWR, but now that I, through my involuntary contribution, own it, and I'm gonna pretend the system might work, then I'm happier treating it like a painting on a wall. Just as much fun to look at and does a lot more good though. Once in a while, if enough of us scream at them, they actually listen. *They took our money, they bought it, we own it. Cool, I own ANWR. *Drill it. Cool, I own saguaro cactus. *Doze it. You'd think a slave would have a more liberal view of "property rights". I think the Bible says it best: "If a man smite his servant or his maid with a rod, and he die under his hand, he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his money." May ye reap what ye sow.. -Paul |
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TK was exactly right. OT
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, "Paul G." wrote: On Jun 23, 9:50*pm, Robert Chung wrote: On Jun 23, 9:28*pm, wrote: On Jun 23, 10:01*pm, Robert Chung wrote: On Jun 23, 8:24*pm, wrote: A few things that have me perplexed: 1) the earth stopped its most recent warming cycle in 1998 2) the earth cooled enough in the last few years to give back all the warming from the previous century 3) the oceans stopped heating roughly 7 years ago, and have begun to cool 4) the earth's warming cycles correspond almost perfectly with solar activity, but not so perfectly w/ human behavior or CO2 emission levels or CO2 atmospheric levels Perhaps the reason you're perplexed is because you haven't looked at the data: http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp...//anonymous.co... Very pretty charts. *I suppose you'll have us believe that a 0.4 degree change in surface temperature is major, when the experts say that it's not surface temps that matter. *Oh, wait... you're trotting out the data that supports your believes, regardless of conflicting data. Hmmm. You claimed "that the earth cooled enough in the last few years to give back all the warming from the previous century." The first plot showed that not to be true. The SST temperature is still almost 1 degree celsius warmer than a century ago. Second, that's about 0.4 degrees celsius worth of warming in about 25 years -- so yeah, that's pretty major. Third, you claimed that the Earth "stopped its most recent warming cycle in 1998." The data show that 1998 was an extreme blip but that warming has continued since then. Fourth, you claim that "earth's warming cycles correspond almost perfectly with solar activity, but not so perfectly w/ human behavior or CO2 emission levels or CO2 atmospheric levels." The second plot shows global sea-land temperature, solar activity, and CO2 level. I'd say global temperature corresponds much more closely to CO2 level than to solar activity. No wonder you're perplexed. Denial will do that. Right. There is no question that rising CO2 levels result in warming. There is doubt, else why do you even have to deny it? -- Michael Press |
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TK was exactly right. OT
On Jun 25, 11:51*am, Michael Press wrote:
There is doubt, else why do you even have to deny it? Refusing to open your e-mail because you know it contains something unpleasant might be called denial: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/washington/25epa.html |
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TK was exactly right. OT weaseling Mea Culpa
On Jun 25, 1:39*pm, Robert Chung wrote:
On Jun 22, 1:34*pm, Bill C wrote: *Scary thing is they are on both fringes, and do matter. More fringe:http://law.shu.edu/center_policyrese...legend_final_6... The lunatics are running the asylum. In the DOD in particular we are seeing the results of two decades of promotion via politics, bootlicking, pencil whipping, and burying anything negative. Lots and lots of folks are cheering the start at cleaning out the top of the AF. We all got to watch lots of really good, capable folks leave the military, including some Academy grads because they couldn't deal with the BS going on. The mission and the people have been so far down the ladder it's incredible, and now it's really showing in the contracting failures, the total collapse of the systems around the nuclear weapons, the huge increase, as a percentage, in PTSD, etc...Anyone who dared bring up the problems, and concerns over the last couple of decades in particular was killing their careers. Before Bush it was just making things look good to get ahead, now it's that combined with blind support for what Bush wants, no matter the cost and destruction it is wreaking on our own people. Wes Clarke was the most political General in history. His career was made by playing with politicians and getting them to exert pressure for him. From what I'm seeing now, and I don't have first hand knowledge of these folks, they are far worse in that regard than he was. The only thing that seems to matter now to keeping your job/ getting promoted is to not only go with the totally ****ed up flow, but work your ass off to promote it. Seems to be the case across the government with the Bush clowns too. It'ds gonna take decades, or more, of dedicated hard work, and massive resources to fix the disaster these ****heads have caused. Am I supposed to argue that the extremist fringe hasn't got control of the executive branch and all that goes with it? I'd need a ****load of skunky beer, and a loaded crack pipe to even begin to think about it. Bill C |
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TK was exactly right. OT
On Jun 25, 2:45*pm, "Paul G." wrote:
On Jun 25, 11:28*am, SLAVE of THE STATE wrote: On Jun 25, 5:28*am, Bill C wrote: Not sure if I would've supported buying/taking ANWR, but now that I, through my involuntary contribution, own it, and I'm gonna pretend the system might work, then I'm happier treating it like a painting on a wall. Just as much fun to look at and does a lot more good though. Once in a while, if enough of us scream at them, they actually listen.. *They took our money, they bought it, we own it. Cool, I own ANWR. *Drill it. Cool, I own saguaro cactus. *Doze it. You'd think a slave would have a more liberal view of "property rights". I think the Bible says it best: "If a man smite his servant or his maid with a rod, and he die under his hand, he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his money." May ye reap what ye sow.. -Paul That's the thing about democracy, the mob gets to rule, and in this case I hope we outvote/outpressure you and the exploit it folks. It's pretty simple, If we leave it alone now we always have that option in the future. Once they get their hands on it, it's ****ed over for good and can't be put back, and they sure as hell aren't going to pay to fix it. On top of that SCOTUS just said they get a free pass pretty much with Exxon Valdez. http://www.trcp.org/pr_061808.aspx TRCP Sues Interior Department over Mismanaged Wyoming Energy Project Multiple violations of federal law drive sportsmen's group to action on Pinedale Anticline, currently targeted for greatly expanded drilling and development WASHINGTON — The Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership today filed suit in U.S. District Court against the Department of the Interior over its mishandling of energy development on the Pinedale Anticline natural gas development project in southwestern Wyoming. The TRCP suit contends that the Bureau of Land Management failed to implement "adaptive environmental management" and mitigation requirements as committed to in the decision documents for the project area, which encompasses approximately 200,000 acres of the Green River Basin in Sublette County, Wyo. The sportsmen's group does not want to halt development in the Pinedale Anticline. The TRCP supports responsible energy development coupled with determined efforts to sustain fish and wildlife resources throughout the course of development activities. In formulating the plan for development of the Pinedale project eight years ago, the BLM committed itself and industry to processes that the agency concluded were essential to develop the region in an environmentally sensitive manner that complied with BLM obligations under federal law. The TRCP contends that these adaptive environmental management procedures, which attempted to address concerns regarding wildlife, air quality and water quality as they arose, have failed. The BLM violations have resulted in serious damage to wildlife populations in and around the Pinedale Anticline. "The government points to the Pinedale Anticline project as a model of responsible development," said TRCP President and CEO George Cooper. "But when we actually look at this fractured landscape and the shrinking wildlife populations, we see the effects of a model that is seriously flawed." lots more there http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/25/news...ex.htm?cnn=yes Hoorah for big government. We need more of it. That's the solution. Bill C |
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