STOP THE FEAR MONGERING

Paul G. wrote:
If they lived in Philly they'd "love" Philly and be "proud" of Philly
and be "optimistic" about Philly. I think I'm gonna puke now.

Bob Schwartz wrote:
As well you should. Everyone in rbr knows Philly sucks.

Instant karma would be SchwartzSoft relocating to Philly.

On Mar 5, 2:39*pm, "Paul G." wrote:
On Mar 5, 11:10*am, Bill C wrote:





On Mar 5, 1:57*pm, "Paul G." wrote:

On Mar 5, 5:11*am, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:

Bill C wrote

JT, when was the last time, before Obama's election that you told
anyone this is a great, free Country and you are proud of it, and you
are optimistic about it?

I don't know if I have before or afterwards.

But I don't think that's important -- in elections I look to who can
do the best for teh country, not the sort of patrotic buzzwords that
work for you. *And I try not to fall for bogeymen in deciding who not
to vote for. *You should try that anti-bogeyman thing.

Bill doesn't realize that if he'd been born in Mexico or Saudi Arabia
or Switzerland he'd also be babbling about how proud he is of his
great, free country and how optimistic he is. *Same thing for
Christian religious nuts. *They'd be devout Muslims if they had been
raised that way, or Hindus, Jews, whatever.

It's really about their need for that. Tribalism is hardwired into
their brains. *If they lived in Philly they'd "love" Philly and be
"proud" of Philly and be "optimistic" about Philly. *I think I'm gonna
puke now.
-Paul

Bull**** Paul
*I wasn't born overseas, but I sure as hell have family who were,
friends who were, people who risked their lives to come to America for
what it represents and tries to be, and love it here.
*Guess those people, literally, dying to come here are only doing it
for the money I guess, right?
*Bill C

What does that have to do with what I wrote? *Nothing. People who
leave their tribe behind for something better are like me, not like
you. I would also point out that people leave the US. It's not a one
way street.
-Paul- Hide quoted text -

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If things suck so bad here, and you are so smart why the **** haven't
you figured out a way to leave here with the smart people?

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.d...0611/808300309

Proud American immigrants shine in '08 Olympics
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By Ruben Navarrette
San Diego Union Tribune
August 30, 2008 6:00 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqij88y6EGw

I could go on for days about those immigrants who wanted to come here
for what we are, and can be who've fought, sacrificed, and died for
the idea behind America. Real American heroes were these folks in
particular who believed that we could get it right and it was worth
fighting for despite what was done to them and how they had been
treated:

http://www.archives.gov/education/le...cks-civil-war/

http://www.tuskegeeairmen.org/Tuskeg...n_History.html

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../100-442in.htm

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq61-1.htm

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq61-3.htm

America isn't a piece of ground, it's a concept, ideals, and people,
if you don't believe in those that's one of the great things about
America is that our principles not only allow that, but defend that.

Bill C

On Mar 5, 11:13*am, Ryan Cousineau wrote:

Don't let the economists near the plumbing, though,

Don't let them near anything. They aren't even safe when placed in
university playpens.

We need bigger zoos where people can observe the strange creatures.

On Mar 4, 9:37*am, Bill C wrote:
On Mar 3, 9:08*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:





On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:45:13 -0800 (PST), Scott

wrote:
On Mar 3, 5:20*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:33:27 -0800 (PST), Scott

wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ma-stimulus-ha...
over-long-haul/

The Washington Times has been so wrong for so long -- point me to
something direct from the CBO and I'll look at it.

[and, in different order he wrote]

*Here is one of many articles addressing the subject.

Point to some non-ditto article or the CBO. That should be easy since
there are so many articles.

You can look them up yourselves. *There are oodles of them.

You're lying and/or reading lies.The fact that the first thing you
pulled up is from that right-wing moonie rag shows that.

*I'm not going on a wild goosechase.- Hide quoted text -


JT's vision of democracy and free debate:

Dumbass,

His Jesus Obama man-crush is bigger than Hank's.

SLAVE

On Mar 5, 11:42*am, "Paul G." wrote:
On Mar 5, 11:12*am, "K. Gringioni" wrote:





On Mar 5, 10:45*am, Scott wrote:

On Mar 5, 12:29*am, "K. Gringioni" wrote:

On Mar 4, 5:31*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:

"K. Gringioni" wrote in message

...

That's not the reason I'm smarter than you. There's a number of
reasons and that's not one of them. I'll list a few of them though.

1) I read a lot
2) I try to learn from what I read
3) I don't look at the world from the prism of: 1 political
party=good, the other political party=bad

I'm rather surprised that you'd admit to reading. You're hardly the kind
that would learn anything from reading as is plainly shown by your comments
here.

By the way, if you don't understand my position on politics perhaps you
could either ask or simply pass.

Dumbass -

Your philosophy is self-evident.

Republican=good Democrat=bad.

Simpleton.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.- Hide quoted text -

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Man, oh man, it pains me to do this (come to Kunich's defense, that
is) but I gotta say, Henry, you comment above is so damn comical.
Hello, kettle, this is pot. *You're black.

You are every bit as guilty of the one party good, other party bad
problem that you ascribe to Kunich.

Dumbass -

Ha.

You mean like how I think General Motors and Chrysler should be
allowed to go bankrupt? That unions have outlived their usefulness in
this country and need to go away? That more free trade is better, not
less? That we should adopt a flat tax system? That we should issue
more H1B visas?

Those types of Democratic Party platforms?

You've got your head up your ass. Just like Kunich.

Yeah, they think because THEY line up to kiss Rush's fat ass we must
all line up to kiss Michael Moore's giant ass. Nothing could be
further from the truth. *There is far more diversity of opinion on the
left than on the right.



Dumbass -


I don't think I'm that left although those Dittoheads clearly do.

Another instance of non-leftism is I don't think people should expect
the government to handle their retirement. What's the matter doing it
yourself? Abolish Social Security!


thanks,

K. Grinigoni.

On Mar 5, 11:40*am, Bill C wrote:
On Mar 5, 2:39*pm, "Paul G." wrote:



On Mar 5, 11:10*am, Bill C wrote:

On Mar 5, 1:57*pm, "Paul G." wrote:

On Mar 5, 5:11*am, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:

Bill C wrote

JT, when was the last time, before Obama's election that you told
anyone this is a great, free Country and you are proud of it, and you
are optimistic about it?

I don't know if I have before or afterwards.

But I don't think that's important -- in elections I look to who can
do the best for teh country, not the sort of patrotic buzzwords that
work for you. *And I try not to fall for bogeymen in deciding who not
to vote for. *You should try that anti-bogeyman thing.

Bill doesn't realize that if he'd been born in Mexico or Saudi Arabia
or Switzerland he'd also be babbling about how proud he is of his
great, free country and how optimistic he is. *Same thing for
Christian religious nuts. *They'd be devout Muslims if they had been
raised that way, or Hindus, Jews, whatever.

It's really about their need for that. Tribalism is hardwired into
their brains. *If they lived in Philly they'd "love" Philly and be
"proud" of Philly and be "optimistic" about Philly. *I think I'm gonna
puke now.
-Paul

Bull**** Paul
*I wasn't born overseas, but I sure as hell have family who were,
friends who were, people who risked their lives to come to America for
what it represents and tries to be, and love it here.
*Guess those people, literally, dying to come here are only doing it
for the money I guess, right?
*Bill C

What does that have to do with what I wrote? *Nothing. People who
leave their tribe behind for something better are like me, not like
you. I would also point out that people leave the US. It's not a one
way street.
-Paul- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

AHH YOU GOOD, YOU THEM I see. Tell me why you think we have vastly
more people clamoring to come in than get out?
*Bill C

You don't see me leaving, do you? People like me are purely rational
about it. I see the good, I see the flaws. I don't "love" the whole.
The USA is not a piece of cloth or some dirt, it's a bunch of
concepts. For me, the term "love" does not enter into that
equation. I love my wife and dog, but not my cars or even my bikes.

I have relatives who live in Norway. They are proud to be Norwegian,
love their country, etc. They like to come and visit, but they're
always glad to get home without being shot. They kind of look down on
us. Their houses are better built, they have very little crime,
especially violent crime. They look at us and think "Americans are a
bunch of violent fat slobs." If you'd been born and raised there,
you'd feel the same way. That's my point.
-Paul

On Mar 5, 11:43*am, Bob Schwartz
wrote:
Paul G. wrote:
If they lived in Philly they'd "love" Philly and be
"proud" of Philly and be "optimistic" about Philly. *I think I'm gonna
puke now.

As well you should. Everyone in rbr knows Philly sucks.

Bob Schwartz

Yeah, I prefer Phyllis...
-Paul

On Mar 5, 11:56*am, Bill C wrote:

*America isn't a piece of ground, it's a concept, ideals, and people,
if you don't believe in those that's one of the great things about
America is that our principles not only allow that, but defend that.

Bill C

Interesting. We simultaneously typed almost the same words. Actually,
I guess I'm a Californian. If the USA was like the southern ********s
I was stationed in, I would have emigrated.
-Paul

On Mar 5, 12:06*pm, SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
On Mar 5, 11:13*am, Ryan Cousineau wrote:

Don't let the economists near the plumbing, though,

Don't let them near anything. *They aren't even safe when placed in
university playpens.

We need bigger zoos where people can observe the strange creatures.

My Econ teacher at SRJC was one of the best teachers I ever had. He
and my auto shop teacher taught me things that made me rich.
-Paul

On Mar 5, 11:07*am, Scott wrote:
On Mar 5, 11:57*am, "Paul G." wrote:



On Mar 5, 5:11*am, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:

Bill C wrote

JT, when was the last time, before Obama's election that you told
anyone this is a great, free Country and you are proud of it, and you
are optimistic about it?

I don't know if I have before or afterwards.

But I don't think that's important -- in elections I look to who can
do the best for teh country, not the sort of patrotic buzzwords that
work for you. *And I try not to fall for bogeymen in deciding who not
to vote for. *You should try that anti-bogeyman thing.

Bill doesn't realize that if he'd been born in Mexico or Saudi Arabia
or Switzerland he'd also be babbling about how proud he is of his
great, free country and how optimistic he is. *Same thing for
Christian religious nuts. *They'd be devout Muslims if they had been
raised that way, or Hindus, Jews, whatever.

It's really about their need for that. Tribalism is hardwired into
their brains. *If they lived in Philly they'd "love" Philly and be
"proud" of Philly and be "optimistic" about Philly. *I think I'm gonna
puke now.
-Paul

Paul,

How is it that YOU came to be such an enlightened thinker? *How'd you
avoid the hardwiring you describe? *Lastly, how is it that you haven't
published your thoughts and why the hell aren't the major universities
of the world including you in their curriculum?

Scott

I'm an electronic technician by trade. My claim to fame is
troubleshooting- I analyze and solve problems. For entertainment I
use those same skills to crush the souls of fools like you.

It's beyond my understanding how you can rant about the Dow going down
under Obama, when 85% of the loss was under Bush, but you do.
-Paul